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Chan v. Hanyu: 2015-16

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you may be able to say this for now... but you don't know what can happen in a few months... consistency with ALL male skaters is never to be taken for granted.... hanyu could go back to missing some of his jumps, while others may feel the urge of changing things in their training or programs to gain momentum... and then you have a completely revived rivalry.... i think it's time you put your crystal ball away for a little while ;)

So Chan skated his best and lost to SHOMA UNO, just out of juniors!
 
SO--Chan skated his best and Hanyu bettered his best. Digging himself into a hole in the SP kept him off the podium and let Shoma Uno beat him, and I'm glad, because Uno's FS was to me was the second best FS of the night aside from Hanyu's. IMO Uno's PCS was much too low.
 
your comment is atrociously erroneous.

1) Chan didn't skate his best in the SP.... which explains why he was behind and despite a great FS, he couldn't podium...

2) Chan didn't skate his best even in the FS as he is gradually building up the program.... He will certainly be including a second 4T. His coach even said that she wants him to do two 3As... so... it's a long process.... look at Yuzu... until his last two free skates, he was not handling the content... chan now is comfortable with his LP, needs to fix his SP and then, he will upgrade... so his "best" is not yet defined...

3) you are unfair to Shoma who is a great skater... junior or not, we all know he is capable of winning a medal at GPF. Good for Shoma to have done well in both programs hence deserving his medal.

you make me sad... so much hate in one person.
So Chan skated his best and lost to SHOMA UNO, just out of juniors!
 
PAtrick is great, but now I think more accurate thread will be PAtrick vs Javier. Hanyu has found a way to diffrent dimension and don't want to leave it
 
I don't hate anyone---your comments are puzzling. Shoma Uno happens to be one of my favorite skaters.

I am surprised that his coach wants Chan to do two 3As. A technical coach would not make such a suggestion because his quads have always been far more reliable than his 3A, which has always been his weakest jump. He's missed the 3A in his SP on more than one occasion, and he's never gone for more than one 3A in his FS. And to add a second 3A, it would have to be in combination, increasing the difficulty factor for an element that is already tough for him.

Anyway, Chan did only one 3A in the program---his next jump after that was a 3T--I assume that was intended to be the second quad, which was why he did only 3z+2t after that. So basically this was a clean skate with the only mistake being the missed second quad, not bad. He got 5.7 points for the 3T, so he might have gotten another 5 points for a 4T, which would have brought him up to about 198 points for the FS, still not enough for the podium.
 
No hate tonight.
*Poohs for everyone*

Yuzu's fans have a reason to party tonight. Same for Patrick's fans. And Javi's fans. And Shoma's fans. And figure skating fans in general. :dance2:
 
No hate tonight.
*Poohs for everyone*

Yuzu's fans have a reason to party tonight. Same for Patrick's fans. And Javi's fans. And Shoma's fans. And figure skating fans in general. :dance2:

Exactly! There would be no hate if Chuckm can shut up!
 
Actually, if all the elements were counted in his SP, Chan would have handily beaten Shoma, though this was the most impressive skate I've seen yet from Shoma, he fought the hardest among them, I'm really convinced he has the mental makeup of a future champion. Javier fought hard too, for the home crowd, no doubt, kudos to him.

Hanyu and Chan, I didn't sense any combative spirit, they were more subdued, they were just out to perform their best. Both were here to prove their mantle, and both did admirably, Hanyu with his flawless jumps, Patrick with his incredible skating skills. Patrick's jumps were quality, even if most of them were triples. His skating was still my favourite to watch tonight even though Javier and Shoma really upped their game and showcased gorgeous skating.

I observed that Patrick's program was so packed with moves (like Javier's), he needs to vary the tempo and pace, like Hanyu's choreography, which was brilliant in leaving room for Hanyu to breathe and at the same time, lots of spread eagles, ina bauers and hydroblade to space out energetic bursts and to provide contrast to his step sequences, without looking like deliberate pauses like Jin's. Patrick could pace himself more if he wants to leave room for the quads. Time to watch how Hanyu do it! I think Patrick's TES has room to grow, he is capable of powerful if not airy jumps.

Hanyu, kudos to him, keeps improving himself and learn from others to compete, that's the intelligent mindset of a top champion. Looking forward to see more from both of them.
 
yup :)

and i agree with Silvia :) it was a great night with many skaters skating very well... I think that people need to learn that we can all be happy ;) I am happy for Yuzu... and I am happy for Chan too... why can I not rejoice for both? The issue comes when people just keep annoying all of us with their negative banter
Exactly! There would be no hate if Chuckm can shut up!
 
i agree with you as well.
Actually, if all the elements were counted in his SP, Chan would have handily beaten Shoma, though this was the most impressive skate I've seen yet from Shoma, he fought the hardest among them, I'm really convinced he has the mental makeup of a future champion. Javier fought hard too, for the home crowd, no doubt, kudos to him.

Hanyu and Chan, I didn't sense any combative spirit, they were more subdued, they were just out to perform their best. Both were here to prove their mantle, and both did admirably, Hanyu with his flawless jumps, Patrick with his incredible skating skills. Patrick's jumps were quality, even if most of them were triples. His skating was still my favourite to watch tonight even though Javier and Shoma really upped their game and showcased gorgeous skating.

I observed that Patrick's program was so packed with moves (like Javier's), he needs to vary the tempo and pace, like Hanyu's choreography, which was brilliant in leaving room for Hanyu to breathe and at the same time, lots of spread eagles, ina bauers and hydroblade to space out energetic bursts and to provide contrast to his step sequences, without looking like deliberate pauses like Jin's. Patrick could pace himself more if he wants to leave room for the quads. Time to watch how Hanyu do it! I think Patrick's TES has room to grow, he is capable of powerful if not airy jumps.

Hanyu, kudos to him, keeps improving himself and learn from others to compete, that's the intelligent mindset of a top champion. Looking forward to see more from both of them.
 
Anyway, Chan did only one 3A in the program---his next jump after that was a 3T--I assume that was intended to be the second quad, which was why he did only 3z+2t after that. So basically this was a clean skate with the only mistake being the missed second quad, not bad. He got 5.7 points for the 3T, so he might have gotten another 5 points for a 4T, which would have brought him up to about 198 points for the FS, still not enough for the podium.

I think he skated his program as planned. I think he is building toward the second quad, 3Lz+3T version. We will probably see it at Canadian Nationals. By Worlds, a second 3A is not out of the question, but we'll see.
 
don't you find it funny that while people diss Chan, they forget how huge of a score he did with a program that is still incomplete in terms of BV.... I think that if anything, more respect should be given to Patrick for achieving such high scoring programs with only 1 quad and 1 axel.
I think he skated his program as planned. I think he is building toward the second quad, 3Lz+3T version. We will probably see it at Canadian Nationals. By Worlds, a second 3A is not out of the question, but we'll see.
 
I was really happy that Patrick skated so well today - he had nothing to lose so the pressure was off a bit. He really needs to learn the rules though and to plead ignorance about the Zayak rule (from his short) is not good. Let's hope he learns from this and doesn't repeat it.

Not so crazy about his costumes - they look so off the rack this season, like he went into the Gap one day and bought a couple of outfits and thought "this could work." His FS ensemble looks like he'd just been to the gym.

As for Yuzu, well we should just change this thread to Hanyu vs. Hanyu b/c the only person he's competing with truly is himself. Can he hit 340 points at Worlds?
 
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don't you find it funny that while people diss Chan, they forget how huge of a score he did with a program that is still incomplete in terms of BV.... I think that if anything, more respect should be given to Patrick for achieving such high scoring programs with only 1 quad and 1 axel.

What I am most looking forward to is this. Can Patrick keep up his "second mark" skills while simultaneously raising the bar on the tech side, or will there have to be a tradeoff?
 
As for Yuzu, well we should just change this thread to Hanyu vs. Hanyu b/c the only person he's competing with truly is himself. Can he hit 340 points at Worlds?

I think someone counted 339 is total completely max that his programs allow to score giving +3 on everything and 100% PCS. And he is only 9 points from that :eek:
 
i think so.... unless he starts falling all over the place... and I think that this is exactly why he is not pushing the limits too quickly...
What I am most looking forward to is this. Can Patrick keep up his "second mark" skills while simultaneously raising the bar on the tech side, or will there have to be a tradeoff?
 
I am surprised that his coach wants Chan to do two 3As. A technical coach would not make such a suggestion because his quads have always been far more reliable than his 3A, which has always been his weakest jump. He's missed the 3A in his SP on more than one occasion, and he's never gone for more than one 3A in his FS. And to add a second 3A, it would have to be in combination, increasing the difficulty factor for an element that is already tough for him.
Yeah IA. IDK what his coach is thinking.
 
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