Evgenia Medvedeva
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For me, I really liked the dress when she was standing, before the music started, but then it sort of didn't accentuate her well..?..I think..? [emoji14]
As for the score, and for the juniors having more points, let's not forget that they usually score around 42-44 for TES, which is already 6-8 points more than what Med had here. Her PCS were still good I think. But poor thing, she looked so nervous. I think she will get better, we just need to be patient ^^
But as SpiralsForMiles said, I just want her to win too
As for the score, and for the juniors having more points, let's not forget that they usually score around 42-44 for TES, which is already 6-8 points more than what Med had here. Her PCS were still good I think. But poor thing, she looked so nervous. I think she will get better, we just need to be patient ^^
But as SpiralsForMiles said, I just want her to win too
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They've seemed to heightened the bar on step sequence lately. Watching the juniors I've noticed that many that would have been level 4 last year are now level 3.
To be fair Bradie earned those higher TES today. She was probably the only skater there who was really competition ready so we shouldn't begrudge her but Zhenya should absolutely be getting higher PCS, especially SS so happy to see she achieved that.
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What is SS? Skating Skills?
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I wonder if it makes sense to keep 3Lz! Instead of 3lo, which imo would give her more points. That said, there’s SO much space for improvement - which is good! This program can score very very high once she skates it clean and wit confidence. She left a lot of points on the table yesterday (the 2A was wonky, stsq got level 3, 3Lz got!) which means that she has a lot of space to grow.
Im not worried, this is simply how it’s gonna be this season - it’s a time of adjustment! We knew it, she knew it, Brian knew it. Rome wasn’t built in a day
Im not worried, this is simply how it’s gonna be this season - it’s a time of adjustment! We knew it, she knew it, Brian knew it. Rome wasn’t built in a day
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I would change the 3Lz to a 3Lo if it was me doing the layout but obviously it isn‘t so I‘m going to trust Zhenya and Brian here. They know what they‘re doing. 2A looks wonky more frequently but she‘s probably changing technique and that‘s why. Combo looked okayish, not her best, though. Also, step sequence needs more one footed skating for it to gain level 4 as judges seem to be harsher than last year on that. More transitions are also necessary but will hopefully be added throughout the season. I still love this program but Zhenya was nervous and it showed, her interpretation was a lot better at test skates. Her score is shockingly low if you first see it and remember how she used to score before (in the 75 to 80 range) but it‘s understandable if you think about it. She‘s still in first place and I‘m glad about that. Hoping she remembers the FS choreo this time and nails all of her jumps. She doesn‘t need to win here, it‘s only a CS but it would be nice - both for her confidence and to shut the naysayers down at least a bit.
Overall, I‘m very proud of her and hope she keeps improving her programs as the season goes. Go, Zhenya, you can do it!
Overall, I‘m very proud of her and hope she keeps improving her programs as the season goes. Go, Zhenya, you can do it!
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I've just seen it, so here are my impressions.
Costume: Agree with those who like the bottom, but don't like the top. The blue straps goes too low, the black part of the neckline is like T-shirt under the dress. For different type of music maybe it would suit better (like some modern rhythm), not for jazz.
Music: I've said earlier I'm not fan of jazz (before I'd be called hater, I remind you I also said I'm not fan of POTO or Carmen too
So it is only opinion to music itself, nothing more). But that doesn't mean it couldn't be good music for the program. Which leads me to the most important part.
Zhenya's skating: Her abilities are undisputed, that's for sure. Music she skates to requires relaxed, little flirting style, smiles, self-confidence. At the beginning, Zhenya was in obvious (and understandable) tension. With such music it can be more visible than with some more dramatic score. But throughout the program she released some stress and it was much better. I think she can sell the program better, just needs be to self-confident and less nervous. About jumps - for me lutz is the same, 3F-3T solid as always, one small mistake at 2A is nothing serious. Overall score seems quite fair to me, however I would give slightly more for TES (1-1,5 point) and slightly less for PCS (interpretation of music was weaker for me than average 8.75, mainly on the beginning).
Costume: Agree with those who like the bottom, but don't like the top. The blue straps goes too low, the black part of the neckline is like T-shirt under the dress. For different type of music maybe it would suit better (like some modern rhythm), not for jazz.
Music: I've said earlier I'm not fan of jazz (before I'd be called hater, I remind you I also said I'm not fan of POTO or Carmen too
So it is only opinion to music itself, nothing more). But that doesn't mean it couldn't be good music for the program. Which leads me to the most important part.Zhenya's skating: Her abilities are undisputed, that's for sure. Music she skates to requires relaxed, little flirting style, smiles, self-confidence. At the beginning, Zhenya was in obvious (and understandable) tension. With such music it can be more visible than with some more dramatic score. But throughout the program she released some stress and it was much better. I think she can sell the program better, just needs be to self-confident and less nervous. About jumps - for me lutz is the same, 3F-3T solid as always, one small mistake at 2A is nothing serious. Overall score seems quite fair to me, however I would give slightly more for TES (1-1,5 point) and slightly less for PCS (interpretation of music was weaker for me than average 8.75, mainly on the beginning).
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I thought La Déesse (aka Zhenya) did a great job today, and I loved her performance. But I feel like they're trying to shape her into Joshi Helgesson. It's really disturbing to me. Doesn't seem to suit Zhenya's energy, which is so refined, intelligent, and ethereal.
It's like she already created a style that was completely different from anyone else and now they're trying to fit her into a box. I want more art -- this program is sassy and fun but not creative or conceptually bold in any way.
Just my two cents. Wishing a great season for La Déesse. And I will always be rooting for her!
It's like she already created a style that was completely different from anyone else and now they're trying to fit her into a box. I want more art -- this program is sassy and fun but not creative or conceptually bold in any way.
Just my two cents. Wishing a great season for La Déesse. And I will always be rooting for her!
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I've just seen it, so here are my impressions.
Costume: Agree with those who like the bottom, but don't like the top. The blue straps goes to low, the black part of the neckline is like T-shirt under the dress. For different type of music maybe it would suit better (like some moderd rhythm), not for jazz.
Music: I've said earlier I'm not fan of jazz (before I'd be called hater, I remind you I also said I'm not fan of POTO or Carmen too
Zhenya's skating: Her abilities are undisputed, that's for sure. Music she skates to requires relaxed, little flirting style, smiles, self-confidence. At the beginning, Zhenya was in obvious (and understandable) tension. With such music it can be more visible than with some more dramatic score. But throughout the program she released some stress and it was much better. I think she can sell the program better, just need to self-confident and less nervous. About jumps - for me lutz is the same, 3F-3T solid as always, one small mistake at 2A is nothing serious. Overall score seems quite fair to me, howeve I would give slightly more for TES (1-1,5 point) and slightly less for PCS (interpretation of music was weaker for me than average 8.75, mainly on the beginning).
I agree with almost everything here. The costume was surprising to me when I first saw it because it really isn‘t what I imagined a jazz dress to look like. But I still quite like it, she looks good in it and it suits her.
The lutz, though, seemed better to me. Maybe it was the angle but she seemed only ever so slightly switch inside at the end when she was taking off. Not as much as she used to. Ironically, I thought the lutz was the best jump in her program. Good speed, good height, good flow.
At least her scoring ability is wide open and I‘m sure she‘ll grow into this program over the season. When she‘s performing it with full confidence, it will be magnificent. But it‘s the first competition, perfection shouldn‘t be expected here. I wonder what Brian and her will do about the step sequence. It‘s not just her who has this problem, even Sasha and Alena got dinged with a level 3 once, I think. Judges just seem to score harsher this season.
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Also, her jumps in the warmup looked great, especially the 2A - I'm pretty sure it was 99% nerves there. She was used to developing a LOT of muscle memory with Eteri's system, which she can't rely on just yet now when she's nervous. That's fine, it's what early competitions are for. I expect this program to be a bomb, similar to Kaetlyn's SP from last season, once she grows into it and skates it with confidence!
Like you guys were saying, there's so much room for her score to improve - 2\3 points in PCS, and at least 3\4 points in TES!
Like you guys were saying, there's so much room for her score to improve - 2\3 points in PCS, and at least 3\4 points in TES!
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Well her thighs are now larger than her knees.... which is a good thing. She was scary thin at Olympics.
Not sure how i feel about the dress. It looks like it shoul be three dresses. But maybe it will grow on me. Seems she is going for style that will stand out.
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I watched it a second time now. I'm with people who like the bottom, but not the top of the dress. It's the way it's embelished, mostly. Looks a bit... eh. The style of the dress is very 20s, though, and the bottom gives off the flirty playful vibes that go well with the program.
I'm so not used to seeing Zhenya so outward tense, but it's completely unsurprising, for all the reasons we know. It's going to be a tough season. I hope she gets her cool back soon. The mistake on the 2A isn't that big of a deal, we've seen her jump it very beautifully otherwise. The scoring was pretty strict, but all in all I think it's fair. Bradie gave a hell of a performance, might be the strongest I've seen her, and Zhenya just did not. Which is fine, we're only at the beginning.
I'm so not used to seeing Zhenya so outward tense, but it's completely unsurprising, for all the reasons we know. It's going to be a tough season. I hope she gets her cool back soon. The mistake on the 2A isn't that big of a deal, we've seen her jump it very beautifully otherwise. The scoring was pretty strict, but all in all I think it's fair. Bradie gave a hell of a performance, might be the strongest I've seen her, and Zhenya just did not. Which is fine, we're only at the beginning.
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I wonder if it makes sense to keep 3Lz! Instead of 3lo, which imo would give her more points. That said, there’s SO much space for improvement - which is good! This program can score very very high once she skates it clean and wit confidence. She left a lot of points on the table yesterday (the 2A was wonky, stsq got level 3, 3Lz got!) which means that she has a lot of space to grow.
Im not worried, this is simply how it’s gonna be this season - it’s a time of adjustment! We knew it, she knew it, Brian knew it. Rome wasn’t built in a day
I agree. She left a lot of points on the table but I actually think that's a good thing. They have information to use going forward now and didn't leave everything out there (which means there's still room for improvement).
Here's my own take of the protocols-
Looking at the protocols everything seems about right. What she needs to do from here is decide what to do about the Lutz. That's basically one of her best showings of a Lutz and she got between -1 and +1 and one +2. She also got (!). If I were them, I would replace it with a Loop. Her Loop has +4 & +5 potential (ISU said this). Assuming the best and worst, is a +4 & +5 Loop higher than a (!) -1 and +1&2 Lutz?
Anyway, the 2A was the biggest mistake and got -1s, -2s, -3s. I think it has +3 or a bit more potential if she's able to perform it in the best form that she has recently.
Her PCS seems about right for the state of her program right now. Transitions and Performance are in the lower 8s, which makes sense. They need to add some transitions and and add hit a few more musical marks with choreography and I think those could get into the 9s.
Of course these are all just my ideas. There's lots of time to sort everything out. I think this gives us and them some good information. My conclusion is that her SP is in a good place right now to be able to get WR scores later in the season, they just have to take this information and use it.
Here is the video I took of Zhenya's SP runthrough, which I don't think was televised: https://youtu.be/gQNqzVq6KdA
Her jumps were much better here, and I think she sold the program better too. So I think she's suffering from nerves and lack of muscle memory for her retooled jumps more than anything else. All her axels in the warmups looked good--the SP was literally the only time she messed up the landing on any of her jumps yesterday.
Her jumps were much better here, and I think she sold the program better too. So I think she's suffering from nerves and lack of muscle memory for her retooled jumps more than anything else. All her axels in the warmups looked good--the SP was literally the only time she messed up the landing on any of her jumps yesterday.
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Thanks for that video! Her axel looks so good here!
Here‘s to hoping that she‘ll have a good FS and isn‘t too nervous. She doesn‘t need to be, really, it‘s just a challenger event. But of course I can understand the pressure, she might feel like she needs to prove herself and that the change she made wasn‘t in vain. I wish it would be easier for her but alas, it isn‘t. But she‘s shown that she can be strong in the worst possible circumstances, so I believe in her. She‘ll be fine. This actually was a very good SP considering how tensed and nervous she looked at the beginning. She had no fall, her tano looks better, her 2A is so high now that she frequently overrotates it when she‘s nervous. The main thing she needs to work on now is becoming more confident with her programs. But she shouldn‘t feel the need to worry or hurry, she‘s got time. I can‘t tell for the FS but I do have the feeling that her SP will be amazing once she‘s more used to it and more into the performance.
Yes, SS =Skating Skills.
These are a huge focus in Canadian skating. Getting a good SS score is not a given even when other PCS components are high.
More TCC views them as fundamental for all good technique. This very deeply held view goes back at least to Toller Cranston who trained at TCC and was very influential in raising the artistic side of FS.
As one can see from Zhenya, Jason and historically Yuzuru and Lubov's comments, the first thing Tracy and Brian do with new elite skaters is to work on SS.
Some of them find it surprising at their level to be taken back to their earliest fundamentals of stroking, cross-cuts and edges. But in most areas of Canada, stroking is a significant focus at all levels.
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Hello, Evgenia fan fest
I just wanted to say that I love Evgenia's new SP, including the costume. Also she's so cute sitting next Brian after her skate waiting for the results.
Plus she's just so pretty
But there's one thing in the protocols that I just don't understand. How is it possible that her 3T (in the combo) did not get the UR mark? I checked the jump in slow-mo and it's underrotated without any question.
Anyway, I don't think that rotating the 3F+3T combo will be a long-term problem for her. To me it seemed that this time the landing of the 3F was just not quite solid enough to add a perfect 3T.
I just wanted to say that I love Evgenia's new SP, including the costume. Also she's so cute sitting next Brian after her skate waiting for the results.
Plus she's just so pretty
But there's one thing in the protocols that I just don't understand. How is it possible that her 3T (in the combo) did not get the UR mark? I checked the jump in slow-mo and it's underrotated without any question.
Anyway, I don't think that rotating the 3F+3T combo will be a long-term problem for her. To me it seemed that this time the landing of the 3F was just not quite solid enough to add a perfect 3T.
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I think the dress goes well with the image that Evgenia is portraying in the SP. I think she looks fuller than she actually does (people were commenting she was still tiny during the test skates). The dress makes her look so. As much as as I was slightly disappointed with her “low” score (as she used to always win by a mile), I actually really enjoyed the SP! I could not help but dance a little bit myself. It will ripen throughout the season. I can’t wait!
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