Evgenia Medvedeva

[Placebo11]

That's not support what you are doing and no you can't know what she is feeling or thinking so stop. And it can do her good to have a female skater on her own level there. W

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But we worry about her and it should be okay to express doubts. This doesn't mean that we think we know how Evgenia is feeling.

 

[fabienne1996]

But we worry about her and it should be okay to express doubts. This doesn't mean we think that we know how Evgenia is feeling.

Worry is ok,but , it is as the admins said this is her fanfest it isn't really a place for to much negative thoughts. And worrying doesn't mean that it's ok to write like we know what she is feeling or thinking. Mabye she is ok with it And it can in fact be good for her to have another female on her level training with her. But instead of seeing good sides to this some here are determined to only think negatively. We don't know how she feels and to make it out as if she is disappointed or searches for a new trainer or that rusfed should force her back , that's not worrying .there is now a new thread for exactly this theme, that rika is taking orser as secondary coach.

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[Maia96]

Zhenya open a new instagram only for her arts work
https://instagram.com/medoart2020?igshid=67ucvow0b36b

 

[Edwin]

Zhenya open a new instagram only for her arts work
https://instagram.com/medoart2020?igshid=67ucvow0b36b

Nice! Computer art from her laptop in Japan?

I like it because it's in black and white, which is getting rare among artist these days.

 

[macy]

How do I know thoughts? Because I understand the variables. 1. Personalities 2. Ambitions 3. Facts

You really think Zhenya is like “Yippee! My second coach in a row who has lost confidence in me! Hooray! Brian is splitting my time with one of my top rivals!! Yay!”

Get real, people. Show your support for Zhenya by being as pissed as she is right now

can you provide some proof that that is actually what Zhenya feels? she hasn't stated how she feels about the situation at all.

i don't think Brian would take on Rika without consulting Zhenya. i think he did the same with Yuzu when he already had Javi. that's just a matter of showing respect to your students.

she may have welcomed a motivating factor and some internal competition to TCC. Rika is a good model for ultra si and isn't a threat to making the Russian world or olympic teams.

 

[Edwin]

Has Yevgeniya herself posted anything on this? Or TCC? I cannot get over the impression Yevgeniya might be looking for 'new ice' herself, given nobody from FFKKR, TCC really tells us anything?

Would she actually benefit from a swap with Rika at Hamada's team?

PS: ever imagined Yevgeniya as a young man? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/602214628180885525/722459727463972894/image0.jpg

 

[soniagrandar]

For one last time, Permanent Residence status in Canada is legal status, that is granted by the Government of Canada. It has nothing to do with how many residences someone has or how much time they spend in each.

Every country has every right to decide who they let into their country; the only exception is that every country is required to admit its own citizens.

So unless you think Evgenia is a Canadian citizen, Canada has every right to keep her out. Likewise, it has every right to admit her. It's the Government of Canada's choice, whatever posters might think.

Right now, the Government of Canada is admitting citizens, permanent residents, and their close relatives.

It is also admitting "essential" travellers which is where it gets murky. There is a long list of scenarios, with each assigned a status of "allow in", "allow in with 14-day self-isolation", and "deny admission". Agricultural workers are in the "allow in with 14-days" category as the result of lobbying from the farm sector. Students are also allowed in with 14-days isolation. People hoping to attend a funeral are in the "deny" category. I hope that someone will quietly lobby to have "elite figure skater training in Canada" added with "admit with 14-day isolation", but it wasn't on the (very long) list published on the CBC website.

I think that it also depends on the Japan government. I believe they will open borders in July. So no matter if Canada admits already residents but if Japan can't let her out, it's pointless.

 

[NanaPat]

I think that it also depends on the Japan government. I believe they will open borders in July. So no matter if Canada admits already residents but if Japan can't let her out, it's pointless.

That's a good point. However, most countries are worried about who is coming in and possibly spreading infection; those going out are the problem of the receiving country. That said, a lot of Canadians got stuck abroad because the countries they were in shut down internal travel. Also, many airports have been closed and scheduled flights cancelled. Canada and many other governments have been arranging special "repatriation flights" to get their people home.

 

[laybackrelaxspinfast]

Considering how much Evgenia must be paying Brian and the fact that they probably have a contract I would be very surprised if he had not taken her opinion into serious consideration before accepting Rika. I imagine she will speak openly about this soon and I think she will be happy to train with Rika. Her old coaching team prove that training with the competition is not what bothers her as long as her coaching team believe in her and will continue to do everything in their power to help her win. I have also been thinking about the possibility that this could mean extra quad training time for Evgenia. Her and Rika might have the chance to split some of their 1-1 coaching fees by training quads together. This would be an interesting development and considering Rika already has the triple axel and the quad sal they can use her jumps to help pin point development for Evgenia. It’s not unreasonable to consider that taking Rika on could have also been a deliberate decision to help push Evgenia’s technical elements because now she has a live example to examine and learn from. If you have listened to the podcast interview Jason Brown did you will have heard him talk about this approach within TCC where they encourage the skaters to model and study technique and artistry to improve. He has also spoke about the skaters at TCC giving tips and advice to one another. This could be a very positive change for Evgenia! She is so close with the quad sal!

 

[Edwin]

Perhaps Yevgeniya still being in Japan (?) might find it best not to comment on this while enjoying Japanese hospitality and private ice time? The backlash she received over the sakura blossom visit might have made her cautious not to affront her hosts by making premature statements?

Even if she doesn't really agree, she'll have to live with BOrser's decision. He is professional enough to know how to properly oversee the training of two skaters competing between themselves for medals.

 

[mdl]

Perhaps Yevgeniya still being in Japan (?) might find it best not to comment on this while enjoying Japanese hospitality and private ice time? The backlash she received over the sakura blossom visit might have made her cautious not to affront her hosts by making premature statements?

Even if she doesn't really agree, she'll have to live with BOrser's decision. He is professional enough to know how to properly oversee the training of two skaters competing between themselves for medals.

There was no backlash in Japan (if of course one does not think that a hater twitter account with 80+ followers represents Japan), but just a hater twitt was extremely exaggerated by the yellow Russia Media.

Otherwise yes, I do agree that Zhenya is a professional and she will have the right approach to the situation.

 

[Maia96]

Actually, Orser's business of consulting his students about the arrival of another skater to the group seems to me a mere formality. I don't think any of them dare to say no, even though it bothers them, after all, they are supposed to have been previously accepted by others as well. Where would a skater be if he/she dared to say no? Something in the trust between coach and student would surely won't be the same later.

I don't know how much Zhenya pays Orser. She has a great name but Rika is very strong and in Japan figure skating moves a lot of money. I mean, this is a sport of course but it's also a business, especially for coaches. And then depending on the person, personal ego, money and the desire for glory can lead you to act in one way or another.

And although Zhenya isn't in the top 3 in her country, both she and Rika have the same goal. Rika is technically stronger but she's also lucky that the low competition in her country has allowed her time to develop her technique. On the other hand, for Russian girls due to high internal competition this is stressful. For Zhenya, the stress of internal competition in the national team will now be added to the stress of competition with a strong foreign rival in training. Of course, in Russia she had competition in training but this new situation is different. As for Orser, it will be interesting to see how he does so that they can both achieve their goals, which are the same. Because it's clear that this situation isn't comparable to the situation of Yuzuru and Javier. And if he thinks it's the same, he makes a mistake and unfortunately someone will be affected by it.

Actually, Zhenya hasn't need to make any statement about this situation. The ones who have to speak are Orser and Rika. It's true that this decision affects her indirectly, but she cannot change anything and we already know that anything she says can be used against her. Let's hope she can deal with the situation on her own. Surely if something uncomfortable will keep it for her, I don't think she'll be the generator of an eventual conflict. And she'll surely get along very well with Rika as she does everyone. If there's one thing we have always heard from her former training partners, it's that she's an excellent partner and very generous. Even when from the other side some of them don't behave the same with her.

 

[eaglehelang]

And although Zhenya isn't in the top 3 in her country, both she and Rika have the same goal. Rika is technically stronger but she's also lucky that the low competition in her country has allowed her time to develop her technique. On the other hand, for Russian girls due to high internal competition this is stressful. For Zhenya, the stress of internal competition in the national team will now be added to the stress of competition with a strong foreign rival in training. Of course, in Russia she had competition in training but this new situation is different. As for Orser, it will be interesting to see how he does so that they can both achieve their goals, which are the same. Because it's clear that this situation isn't comparable to the situation of Yuzuru and Javier. And if he thinks it's the same, he makes a mistake and unfortunately someone will be affected by it.
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What is it that so different abt Evgenia & Rika situation and Javier & Yuzuru?
Boyang Jin was supposed to come last year & he would have been Yuzuru's main rival. Similar situation.

1) Orser & Tracy Wilson choose carefully the right personalities to take in. Another coach, a friend of Orser, said both of them decide who to take in, not just Orser.

2) Similarities : Javier was older, more senior. Yuzuru was the young protege.
Both Javier & Yuzuru havent won their 1st WC yet 2012 till 2014 OG.
Both had 4T, with Javier already having the 4S.
Javier's generous, relaxed personality helps with the situation. Yuzuru's respect & politeness helps too.

Evgenia is senior to Rika. Rika is the young top contender.
Evgenia has her 2 WC titles, Rika hasnt won hers yet.
Both havent landed a quad in competition.
Evgenia has trained side by side with her top rival before(Zagitova), its not like she was her previous coach's only top student. Evgenia will know how to handle herself, she's mature enough.
Rika seems a sweet girl, and of course the very polite Japanese way. She has also trained with a rival, Satoko(Japan's top female before Rika), before Satoko went to Lee Barkell.
Rika will know how to conduct herself with a rival who is more senior(as in showing the appropriate respect).

Its not like Javier & Yuzuru training together didnt have its tension. It did, Orser handled it. They had separate training sessions, even at a different rink.
What Orser wants is open communication if one is unhappy.

A forumer remarked why Javier was the one who went outside the TCC rink though he is senior. Well, by then Yuzuru is a OG champ, 2X WC. After 2014 OG, there were fans who tried to get on the same bus/train with Yuzuru to catch a glimpse of him. Sometimes, his coaches had to fetch him to the rink, to avoid the fans.

Remember too, Orser lost Gogolev as his student due to spending a lot of time coaching Evgenia when she 1st arrived.

With Orser & TCC current reputation(OG Gold last 3 Olympics) rivals training together is unavoidable. Cos lots of students, elite level students, are eager to get in.

 

[Maia96]

What is it that so different abt Evgenia & Rika situation and Javier & Yuzuru?
Boyang Jin was supposed to come last year & he would have been Yuzuru's main rival. Similar situation.

1) Orser & Tracy Wilson choose carefully the right personalities to take in. Another coach, a friend of Orser, said both of them decide who to take in, not just Orser.

2) Similarities : Javier was older, more senior. Yuzuru was the young protege.
Both Javier & Yuzuru havent won their 1st WC yet 2012 till 2014 OG.
Both had 4T, with Javier already having the 4S.
Javier's generous, relaxed personality helps with the situation. Yuzuru's respect & politeness helps too.

Evgenia is senior to Rika. Rika is the young top contender.
Evgenia has her 2 WC titles, Rika hasnt won hers yet.
Both havent landed a quad in competition.
Evgenia has trained side by side with her top rival before(Zagitova), its not like she was her previous coach's only top student. Evgenia will know how to handle herself, she's mature enough.
Rika seems a sweet girl, and of course the very polite Japanese way. She has also trained with a rival, Satoko(Japan's top female before Rika), before Satoko went to Lee Barkell.
Rika will know how to conduct herself with a rival who is more senior(as in showing the appropriate respect).

Its not like Javier & Yuzuru training together didnt have its tension. It did, Orser handled it. They had separate training sessions, even at a different rink.
What Orser wants is open communication if one is unhappy.

A forumer remarked why Javier was the one who went outside the TCC rink though he is senior. Well, by then Yuzuru is a OG champ, 2X WC. After 2014 OG, there were fans who tried to get on the same bus/train with Yuzuru to catch a glimpse of him. Sometimes, his coaches had to fetch him to the rink, to avoid the fans.

Remember too, Orser lost Gogolev as his student due to spending a lot of time coaching Evgenia when she 1st arrived.

With Orser & TCC current reputation(OG Gold last 3 Olympics) rivals training together is unavoidable. Cos lots of students, elite level students, are eager to get in.

Personally, I don't think any coach must be raised to the altars. Everyone has their own egos and personal ambitions. And of course their friends will always speak well of them and their training methods.

Regarding Boyang Jin, he was supposed to come last year. The interesting thing would be to know why he finally didn't come.

Regarding Gogolev, what you comment is very interesting. Especially if we consider that Orser himself didn't want to train Jason at the time because he considered that he had many students. So Tracy became his main coach. So why he accept Rika now?
And if he spent a lot of time training a new student and that made he lost another, that indicates perfectly he can take time from Zhenya to give it to Rika. I can understand that he has made that mistake once without realizing it but making it twice in such a short period of time doesn't seem very professional on his part. Unless he really isn't too interested if he loses certain students.

I agree with you that Zhenya will know how to handle herself, she's a mature girl. And both Zhenya and Rika seem to be polite and respectful girls. Surely they'll be no problems between them. But that doesn't mean that their coach's decision doesn't harm one of them. Nor that as fans of Zhenya we worry about her future and analyze the pros and cons of this situation.

 

[Maia96]

How wonderful those who have the gift of expressing themselves through art!

Another great job from our talented girl.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBh9GqDCHDF/?igshid=11x5ujh0j15td.

 

[macy]

i'm sure this has been discussed here and the RL thread, so i apologize that this is most likely rehashing.

but i always wonder, if Zhenya had won gold in 2018, what would have happened after?

i do think a big factor into moving to TCC had to do with the fact she lost, but if she had won would she just have taken a break to heal her injury and resumed training with Eteri? would she have retired? would she have still moved on elsewhere?

 

[eaglehelang]

Personally, I don't think any coach must be raised to the altars. Everyone has their own egos and personal ambitions. And of course their friends will always speak well of them and their training methods.

Regarding Boyang Jin, he was supposed to come last year. The interesting thing would be to know why he finally didn't come.

Regarding Gogolev, what you comment is very interesting. Especially if we consider that Orser himself didn't want to train Jason at the time because he considered that he had many students. So Tracy became his main coach. So why he accept Rika now?
And if he spent a lot of time training a new student and that made he lost another, that indicates perfectly he can take time from Zhenya to give it to Rika. I can understand that he has made that mistake once without realizing it but making it twice in such a short period of time doesn't seem very professional on his part. Unless he really isn't too interested if he loses certain students.

I agree with you that Zhenya will know how to handle herself, she's a mature girl. And both Zhenya and Rika seem to be polite and respectful girls. Surely they'll be no problems between them. But that doesn't mean that their coach's decision doesn't harm one of them. Nor that as fans of Zhenya we worry about her future and analyze the pros and cons of this situation.

1) Boyang Jin - I am of the opinion(so do some Boyang fans) that Boyang did not want to leave his long time coaches. They would have lost funding/their jobs as Boyang was the only top mens singles skater. In other words, loyalty, which I salute Boyang for.

2) At the time Jason asked, Boyang was supposed to be coming as per China Fed announcement. Boyang end did not want to go, so 1 slot opened up.
Other than that, usually Orser does not take in a) older students. Oldest was Javier at 20. b) skaters without quads if they are older than 18. Jason was 24 & did not have a quad. I was very surprised when it was announced Jason was going to TCC cos he did not fit the profile.
Till it was made known by Orser that Tracy Wilson was the who wanted Jason.So she ended up as Jason's main coach.

3) It has been said in this forum Gogolev's parents was not happy Gogolev getting less attention(to them) & therefore made the switch to Rafael. Orser hinted that they "took hits" when he spent a lot of time training Evgenia.

Evgenia have had 2 years to get adjusted, getting used to new techniques, etc.

Even Yuzuru, a 2X OG Gold, having brought in fame/great reputation for TCC, gets less attention from Orser these days.
It has been hands off approach from Orser as to programs, strategy ever since 2018(Yuzuru said he himself decides on these aspects).

Rika is going over with correct jump techniques, decent skating skills. Just need refinement in presentation which Tracy Wilson can do. Quads is Ghislain's dept. Rika says she wants to do new spins, there's the spin coach for that.
I do not see how Orser will need to spend a lot of time coaching Rika as he did Evgenia.

Cos personally I think Rika is going TCC to observe & learn from Yuzuru, she has been analysing how Yuzuru does his 4S. A lot of the younger Japanese skaters idolize Yuzuru, not surprisingly.

 

[Ballade88]

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Cos personally I think Rika is going TCC to observe & learn from Yuzuru, she has been analysing how Yuzuru does his 4S.

I agree with this point. I think Tracy will help out but her priority is clearly Jason. I think Rika is going to TCC for more technical upgrades than artistry.

I see the friendly rivalry between Yuzuru and Javier as more of an exception than the norm. Typically, training with a strong rival leads to tension and does not last in the long term. There is a reason why traditionally a coach trained only one top skater for each discipline. The Russians were known for their elite training camps. Mishin trained several top men in the late 90s but we all know how the situation with Yagudin and Plushenko turned out. Eteri is the modern equivalent but skaters like Evgenia and now Trusova left due to internal competition. Not to mention Yulia and others before. Hamada trained all the top Japanese female skaters at one time, but gradually each decided to leave. Marin Honda was the first. The tension is not as great at TCC but it also depends on the skaters. Some skaters thrive with constant competition but others don't. Also, you don't even have to be competing for no.1 to have tension in training. For example, the strange situation with Eunsoo Lee and Mariah Bell, which ended with one skater leaving the camp. I hope things work out well for Evgenia and Rika but I think it is reasonable to have questions and doubts about the changes.

 

[Apple1078]

I agree with this point. I think Tracy will help out but her priority is clearly Jason. I think Rika is going to TCC for more technical upgrades than artistry.

I see the friendly rivalry between Yuzuru and Javier as more of an exception than the norm. Typically, training with a strong rival leads to tension and does not last in the long term. There is a reason why traditionally a coach trained only one top skater for each discipline. The Russians were known for their elite training camps. Mishin trained several top men in the late 90s but we all know how the situation with Yagudin and Plushenko turned out. Eteri is the modern equivalent but skaters like Evgenia and now Trusova left due to internal competition. Not to mention Yulia and others before. Hamada trained all the top Japanese female skaters at one time, but gradually each decided to leave. Marin Honda was the first. The tension is not as great at TCC but it also depends on the skaters. Some skaters thrive with constant competition but others don't. Also, you don't even have to be competing for no.1 to have tension in training. For example, the strange situation with Eunsoo Lee and Mariah Bell, which ended with one skater leaving the camp. I hope things work out well for Evgenia and Rika but I think it is reasonable to have questions and doubts about the changes.

I agree. I recall Raf talking about Shoma Uno last year when he was coachless. He said something along the lines that even if Shoma wanted to come to California, he wouldn't be able to take him. And he referenced what happened between Eunsoo Lim and Mariah Bell. There was also an interview in a French magazine with Papadakis and Cizeron where they talked about how difficult it was when Virtue/Moir returned, how they felt the tension from day 1, how it messed with their heads and how they felt they couldn't trust anyone but each other. They were sure that the coaches did what they could and didn't have any favorites. It was just a really difficult situation.

But I hope for the best and that things will work out for Evgenia.

 

[Edwin]

Still, it might look allright on paper, as far as we know the actual arrangements from Kihira's side. But Yevgeniya's are still unknown, right? Business as usual, or a change in priorities?

When Rika starts training already while Yevgeniya is still kept up somewhere else, it will already be a small psychological advantage for Rika. There might be a test of characters on hand, and a clash of cultures too.