Funny Avatar. Young Evgenia, young Liza? Who else?
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Funny Avatar. Young Evgenia, young Liza? Who else?
Orser has changed quite a bit since the days when he pleaded loyalty to Kim due to mere rumors that he might coach a rival skater from another country. I guess I don't blame him for wanting to take control and not be influenced by any skater in his management decisions. I know he did ask Javier about coaching Hanyu but I don't think he asked Hanyu when he considered taking on Boyang Jin. And Hanyu is his star student. I doubt he really factored in Evgenia's opinions in this matter. Rika isn't a rival for a spot on the national team but she is a rival for OGM, which is what Evgenia really wants no? I mean it is the one thing she lacks and she joined TCC because she believed it would give her the best chance to reach her goal. The Javi and Hanyu situation is different from Evgenia's because neither of them were world champions or olympic medalists at the time. As I mentioned in another thread, this would have been drastically different if Hanyu was training with Patrick Chan or Nathan Chen. Sure, competition can be good and it has worked like in ice dance recently. But it can also be very stressful and depending on the skater, it might backfire. Yagudin and Plushenko did not work in the long term. I dunno. I think it might be best for her to start searching for another coach. She deserves to have a coach who can dedicate full time to her training.
I agree with you. And as I said in a previous post "the question of asking a skater what she/he think about the arrival of another skater to her/his training base to decide whether to accept that other skater or not seems just a formality. What skater would say to his/her coach "Don't accept such a skater because I would feel uncomfortable"? And if he/she did, and his/her coach decided not to accept the other skater, how would the relationship between the skater and his/her coach be after that? At least, that relationship would be worn out and the trust between one and the other would no longer be the same". Also, in the case that he had consulted her what she thought I would like to know how that conversation was because it was clearly that wasn't face to face. Zhenya left Canada in late March, and the arrangement with Rika appears to have been after that date.
So I agree with you about I don't think that he cared about Zhenya's opinion and that this situation isn't similar about Javier and Yuzuru. And as I said in a previous post "this situation isn't similar to the situation about Yuzuru and Javier and therefore it wouldn't be so beneficial for Zhenya. Javier was a skater from a country where figure skating is a minor sport, with a federation that supported him 100% and potentially with the aim of obtaining an Olympic medal but not necessarily the OGM. So the arrival of Yuzuru and the 2 Yuzuru OGM wouldn't affect him. Instead, Zhenya came to Orser as a star, coming from a country where figure skating is one of the most popular sports, aiming for the only gold missing, the Beijing Olympic Gold, then Pyongyang pain and with a federation that today clearly doesn't support her. So there are two completely different situations".
I only could understand his decision if Zhenya had told him that she no longer trains with him and as far as we know he is still her coach.
Imagine if the time has come and Zhenya is among the top 3 Russian skaters with chances to go to Beijing. Do you think the federation is going to send an athlete who at the same time is trained by a coach who trains one of their main rivals for the OGM?
In addition, if there is something that we have observed these last two seasons is that if Zhenya isn't psychologically well this affects her in the competition.
I also think that she should have a coach who takes care 100% of her and not one who also trains a potential rival in case she goes to Beijing or just other minor competitions. It's a shame that she can't change now and doing it next season would be very risky. Orser's move was very good for him and Zhenya will keep him for better or worse. Of course, she won't say anything wrong, and what she think and feels will keep it for her. So it was with EG and I don't think she acted differently now. In addition, we cannot forget that one of her main sources of income is Japanese shows and any action or word of her about this situation could be frowned upon in Japan and could affect the contract of shows in that country.
Really? So even if you are a permanent resident you can’t go back? I thought Canada loved non citizens
Also, although most of Ontario is moving to level 2, Toronto/Niagara are remaining at level one. The Cricket Club is still temporarily closed and all member activities are taking place on-line. No one is skating.
Have any of you mabye thought about that h4 spoke with her and that she could be entirely ok with what's going on, it's not as if orser will be rikas main coach, her main and first coach is still her coach she has now. Mabye zhenya is acting like an adult and is ok with that decsision. Please stop behaving like you know zhenya personally or know how she feels or thinks at the very least zhenya is acting like a mature adult which I think at the moment can't be said of some in here if I read all of this. So rusfed should force her back to Russia,? Who would train her? A trainer she doesn't want? Yeah really great idea not!This whole post is exactly how I feel. She can't say anything against this situation.
I wish the Russian federation will say it's time to come home. Then it's not her decision.
t zhenya is acting like a mature adult which I think at the moment can't be said of some in here
Have any of you mabye thought about that h4 spoke with her and that she could be entirely ok with what's going on, it's not as if orser will be rikas main coach, her main and first coach is still her coach she has now. Mabye zhenya is acting like an adult and is ok with that decsision. Please stop behaving like you know zhenya personally or know how she feels or thinks at the very least zhenya is acting like a mature adult which I think at the moment can't be said of some in here if I read all of this. So rusfed should force her back to Russia,? Who would train her? A trainer she doesn't want? Yeah really great idea not!
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Its not personal, but this is gettingnout of hand , this is her fanfest and just because orser will also be a secondary coach to rika, to read only negative post about that feels like this doesn't belong in her fanfest, certainly not the idea that rusfed should basically force her back to Russia . Mabye we can let this thema end? Let's see how it goes, we are here for zhenya but we do jot not how she feels about this, and it's as if some in here think that she sees that decsision negatively. Even if we do not know that because zhenya hasn't said anything about it.Hey, no need to get personal, we all care about Zhenya and want the best for her.
Now, I also don’t think it would do any good for RusFed to intervene in this. Having them forcefully return her to Russia would probably be worse than anything. It would be against her will and hurt her a lot mentally.
I also disagree she should change coaches. She chose Brian, she chose to trust him. As long as Zhenya trains under him, I will do my best to believe in the collaboration, even if, admittedly, the recent news have made me rethink some of his actions and words.
Have any of you mabye thought about that h4 spoke with her and that she could be entirely ok with what's going on, it's not as if orser will be rikas main coach, her main and first coach is still her coach she has now. Mabye zhenya is acting like an adult and is ok with that decsision. Please stop behaving like you know zhenya personally or know how she feels or thinks at the very least zhenya is acting like a mature adult which I think at the moment can't be said of some in here if I read all of this. So rusfed should force her back to Russia,? Who would train her? A trainer she doesn't want? Yeah really great idea not!
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And it seems people in this fanfest want to see only the bad side of what is happening but mabye it will also be a good thing for zhenya to at least have a female rival in her own group? I mean yes she has the boys/mans who are training with her but I think it may not be the same as having another girl that is on the same level or even slightly better than her.I agree with you.
Zhenya has to act like a mature adult and continue with her training as usual. FS is not like tennis or other sport where you have a coach to yourself. This could have happenend now or later on. I personally believe that she's grown up and mature since she left Russia. She nows her pros and cons and what's she's able to do. Of course she know the hard competition ahead of her (she's trained with Sasha and Anna for a long time so she knows they could do 3A and quads for a long time already). I don't think she wasn't aware of this.
She wants to enjoy FS at her own way and pace. She's very competitive and I know she'll do everything she can to push herself to where she wants to be.
That's not support what you are doing and no you can't know what she is feeling or thinking so stop. And it can do her good to have a female skater on her own level there. WHow do I know thoughts? Because I understand the variables. 1. Personalities 2. Ambitions 3. Facts
You really think Zhenya is like “Yippee! My second coach in a row who has lost confidence in me! Hooray! Brian is splitting my time with one of my top rivals!! Yay!”
Get real, people. Show your support for Zhenya by being as pissed as she is right now