Hanyus Unexpected Free Skate Errors

[4everchan]

yes, was supposed to do 3lz, 3lo, 3f// normal 2nd half as a watered down layout. he is not used to this though, he doesn't train this. his layout is 4lz, 4lo, 3f// ... i am not surprised he popped it then but when he popped the lz - he said "I popped first jump and one moment thought that I would bring 4 loop (to avoid in this company) as a next jump. I had plenty of such kind of unnecessary thoughts today and went messy. I was able to do a big result of sense of "kuyashii"" (kuyashii is frustration and turning that into energy to succeed in the future). he also said he felt frustrated from the start, for being unable to jump the 4lz and 4lo.

hanyu thinks a lot when he wants to try and make up for things, like his improv 4cc skate. but this has a bad side, he can over-think and mess it all, like here. so though he did the 3lo fine, his head was already on the bad path i think because he had to scrape that first impluse of the 4lo (luckily, am glad he did. one lousy skate is nothing compared to a bad knee). someone compared him to an over-heated cpu today and i think that fits what happened

and i imagine so? i saw nothing that says knee is bad. sore, sure but not bad. if this is true, i expect lz and lo to be back for cor

sorry but how do you know what went in his mind after he popped the lutz?
for me... as I was in the audience.. he popped the lutz, a jump he was struggling on during warm up... then he landed what was planned a 3 loop and a 3 flip... even a 4s-3t... but then... that's where he derailed.. so one could argue many things here... but the popped lutz IMHO is not what messed the whole thing up... the 4t-1/2l=3s combo that never happened probably hurt more.... or the fall on a 3a which i had never seen yuzu do.. as he always lands those.

 

[Interspectator]

https://wherespacepooh.tumblr.com/post/165711003864/yuzuru-qa-post-fs-at-autumn-classic-2017 For those interested in what Yuzu had to say about the FS, here's a complation of translations from after the FS.

Q: You were muttering something after the end of your performance.

A: “Can’t be helped.” It was the first competition (of the season). I gained regret, a great reward. In terms of the scores and content of the performance in the SP, I think it was able to confer the impression of strength, that “I will win the Olympics.” I intend to chase [this] strong self, and surpass myself with layouts of even greater difficulty.

Q: You tried to get over the performance with your will.

A: <I did in the end.> When I popped my lutz in the beginning, I thought about various things, and my concemtration went poof. The weakness in my ability to focus has always been a theme in my figure skating career. The gap between when I’m good and when I’m bad is extreme. <It’s not about, one by one, [delicately balancing] pieces of glass to build a pyramid. It’s fine even if it’s rough, I can absolutely claw my way to the top––strength like that within oneself is also necessary.>

Q: With a difficult layout, you were more mentally invested compared to yesterday (SP)?

A: It’d be game over if we were to say “difficult.” Without question, it was my own insufficient ability. I must train more. There was discomfort in my (right) knee, I lowered the layout difficulty and it ended in a mess. I trained in such a way that caused this discomfort––that in itself was also my lack of tuning. This is a season where I must build up my body for the Olympics, all the while continuing to compete well. <I was also able to learn a great deal about the process towards a competition.> I think it was a good first competition.

 

[visaliakid]

Quite frankly I view this thread title as an insult to all figure skaters. I consider it to be a colassal Joke! For God's Sake. Hanyu WON the Silver Medal. He just had an off day. I recommend closing this thread! That's my two cents worth.

 

[ranran]

the competition wasn't important at all but a lot of people think part of it was pressure from his amazing SP performance you know, it's tough to get back out on the ice when everyones expectations are so high especially when the season is just getting started

He specifically said in the interview he messed up because he didn't manage to do the lutz in the beginning and let that mistake get to his head, thus lost concentration on the other jumps. I don't think after 12 times world record score he still felt pressure to do well, especially since this is a low level competition, no one cares about the placement or scores or has expectation (Over reaching Hanyu fans maybe?), this serve as a warm up, to make mistake so that athlete can see where they need to improve before the real competition. I was surprised to see a thread addressing this issue at all.

 

[nimi]

Obviously there were mental issues to Hanyu's spectacular under performance, mostly put upon himself by himself, likely related to the WR SP. He admitted as much when he said he thought too much - don't they all with bad performances? It's a scenario we've seen over and over again, a ruined program after an early failed jump. But this is not choking. There simply wasn't that much extrinsic pressure even with Javi there, who was far behind after the SP, as evidenced by Hanyu winning the Silver medal with the "choked" LP.

for an experienced and hugely successful skater like Hanyu, choking may happen only at the biggest event with much to prove.

THIS. The guy's already an OGM winner and 2 time W champ (for the record, I was #teammachida in 2014) so why would you consider a SENIOR B COMP in September A Very Important Competition Where He Has To Prove Himself To Everybody And Show That He Can Deliver Under Pressure? He's not Courtney Hicks or Nam Nguyen, trying to make a case for themselves for that spot in the team.

I'm sure Hanyu wanted to win and wanted to skate perfectly and show off all of his quads because that's in his nature, but at the same time he's obviously become more strategic and better at listening to Orser&co (as evidenced by him agreeing to take some time off from training heading into this comp as well as dropping the 4Lo and 4Lz from his free skate even though that was frustrating for him) and focusing on what he should be focusing: being healthy and peaking in FEBRUARY and winning when it really matters.

I was surprised to see a thread addressing this issue at all.

I'm expecting a similar thread with a similar clickbait title after the first GP...

 

[OS]

Oh look, the Olympics must be coming up! Vultures are circling for red meat again. How about changing the title to:

Hanyus unexpected daring attempt @ being mortal.

Hanyus unexpected knee injuries.

Hanyus unexpected Osmond aftershock effect.

Hanyus unexpected firing of pooh bear the fashion designer.

 

[narcissa]

http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20170925/fgr17092505030003-n3.html

He was off ice for a week before ACI and was considering withdrawing. So likely he was pretty unconditioned and Thursday had been his first practice in a while. And before anyone mentions that he must have been pretty conditioned to skate a great short, the FS and the short are two different beasts and, if anything, I it's a mark of how skilled he is to be able to skate so well with little conditioning :thumbsup:

 

[narcissa]

He specifically said in the interview he messed up because he didn't manage to do the lutz in the beginning and let that mistake get to his head, thus lost concentration on the other jumps. I don't think after 12 times world record score he still felt pressure to do well, especially since this is a low level competition, no one cares about the placement or scores or has expectation (Over reaching Hanyu fans maybe?), this serve as a warm up, to make mistake so that athlete can see where they need to improve before the real competition. I was surprised to see a thread addressing this issue at all.

Yes, he says so in this translation of the post-media Q&A: https://wherespacepooh.tumblr.com/post/165711003864/yuzuru-qa-post-fs-at-autumn-classic-2017

 

[Interspectator]

Yes, he says so in this translation of the post-media Q&A: https://wherespacepooh.tumblr.com/post/165711003864/yuzuru-qa-post-fs-at-autumn-classic-2017

I posted the link to it above.

 

[narcissa]

I posted the link to it above.

Oh, oops, thanks

 

[Yatagarasu]

sorry but how do you know what went in his mind after he popped the lutz?
for me... as I was in the audience.. he popped the lutz, a jump he was struggling on during warm up... then he landed what was planned a 3 loop and a 3 flip... even a 4s-3t... but then... that's where he derailed.. so one could argue many things here... but the popped lutz IMHO is not what messed the whole thing up... the 4t-1/2l=3s combo that never happened probably hurt more.... or the fall on a 3a which i had never seen yuzu do.. as he always lands those.

i know because he said so?
am not entirely sure what is unclear about, to quote my post,

he said "I popped first jump and one moment thought that I would bring 4 loop (to avoid in this company) as a next jump. I had plenty of such kind of unnecessary thoughts today and went messy. I was able to do a big result of sense of "kuyashii""

you can find another, similar quote in interspectator's post. it was the popped lz.

you opinion is wrong, because yuzuru hanyu says it's wrong.

or are you accusing him of lying? it better be based on something more than you were there and you think.

 

[xeyra]

I could have sworn I saw the title of this thread change earlier but now it's back to the original one.

 

[Interspectator]

I could have sworn I saw the title of this thread change earlier but now it's back to the original one.

It has been changed, but it's not reflecting in the main thread title. --I'm looking into why the title isn't changing across the board.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

LOL, you're still trying it. His flip edge was not wrong.

The protocol says otherwise. And on replay it's not entirely clear the edge. Plus he's been prone to lipping in the past.

But you do you, boo.

 

[Marin]

"Hanyus Unexpected Choke" -Wonder what admins and mods of GS think, is the word "choke" respectable word to use for the title of this thread ? I remember they are usually quite attentive and sensitive about even minor issues in titles ? and rename them ..Or, once its Hanyu its okay?! :sarcasm::sarcasm:

 

[Interspectator]

"Hanyus Unexpected Choke" -Wonder what admins and mods of GS think, is the word "choke" respectable word to use for the title of this thread ? I remember they are usually quite attentive and sensitive about even minor issues in titles ? and rename them ..Or, once its Hanyu its okay?! :sarcasm::sarcasm:

Sorry, it was supposed to have been changed quite a while ago...but the change is still not reflecting in the main title. I'm looking into it...as stated above.

 

[Marin]

Sorry, it was supposed to have been changed quite a while ago...but the change is still not reflecting in the main title. I'm looking into it...as stated above.

Thank you Specs, I see it has changed now!

 

[Interspectator]

Thank you Specs, I see it has changed now!

:thumbsup:

 

[Yatagarasu]

Also, is it confirmed that he is going back to the proper layout?!

sorry for quoting this again but now we do have confirmation:
"Planning to challenge his most difficult layout at Cup of Russia next month" :agree:

 

[Ender]

The protocol says otherwise. And on replay it's not entirely clear the edge. Plus he's been prone to lipping in the past.

But you do you, boo.

The protocol also says Javier Fernandez has an e in his flip which I never saw before. I know Fernandez has unclear edge in the Lutz, I didn't know Fernandez Lip too. It sounds to me the tech specialist was quite strict on the Flip jump. Same thing happened to other skaters in this competition

If I were Hanyu, I wouldn't mind. As his Flip has been ok for several seasons now. One senior B doesn't make a big deal.

Other skaters who got e call for their Flip at SCAI should ask for video checks though, suddenly so many skaters Lip...