Nordic skating (FIN, SWE, NOR, DEN, ISL)

[TT_Fin]

Finland's federation has not confirmed this, but I looked for This site and found these names selected to Universiades:

Taitoluistelu (=Figure skating in Finnish)

Nella Pelkonen, 2005, Jyväskylän avoin yliopisto, Tampereen urheiluakatemia, Koovee
Makar Suntsev, 2004, Itä-Suomen avoin yliopisto, Etelä-Kymenlaakson urheiluakatemia, Kotkan Taitoluistelu

Well, yliopisto is University in English, but avoin yliopisto (open university) is not for full time students. Anybody can just announce him/herself there and start to study just some courses they want to. It is not unusual upper level high school students take those courses so they get benefit for later studies. Full time students also take courses from open university, but Nella and Makar are not yet full time university students.

 

[snowflake]

A little bit surprised to see that Emilie Ling is the new Swedish National Champion, just beating Josefin Taljegård with 00.38 points..

All though, I would guess Josefin recent result from this season will give her the Euros spot?

Yeah she got the spot. Good for her but I wish there were more women to challenge her. I hope Josefin gets the tech minimum for worlds at Euros. Can not see Emelie or Julia get it. Nowegian and Finnish women really on the run for the Nordic title as it looks now.

 

[TT_Fin]

Finland has not confirmed their team to Nordics, but there are names mentioned on their website, which is meant for skaters but is public. Valtter V. is not on the list but he is mentioned to be at Bavarian open at same time. Janna is on the list, also Emmi, Makar Suntsev, Arttu Juusola and many others, Matias Lindfors in juniors and many other, 19 skaters all together - also novices included to this - but it is not official yet.

 

[TT_Fin]

I did not watch because I was at office whole day but noticed Olivia Lisko has got SP minimums for worlds today at Volvo open cup. As she had FS already, there are now three Finnish women who has reached the TES for Worlds.

I also noticed Iida Karhunen's name now is for the Nordics in juniors, it was missing before and there was another Iida, so there has been just a mistake with the surnames.

 

[TT_Fin]

Almost clean skate from Olivia in Latvia, only one 2-2, I don't know if the planned was 3-3 or 3-2, but that was only mistake. She got first time over 170, so good revenge after being 4th at nationals.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Congratz to Olivia, for good skates and making the minimum for Worlds! Maybe Olivia will be picked for JWC? If Janna goes to Worlds, they probably want someone else to do JWC because the competitions is close in time and with major time difference as JWC is in Canada and WC in Japan, going to both is going to be challenging for skaters?

I just saw the results from junior women. Danish Anna Flora Colmor Jepsen just won the junior events, what a great achievement
But look at how tight the podium is: Anna Flora 131.93, Anna Sheniuk from Israel 131.33 and Petra Lahti from Finland with 131.13

 

[norwegianfairytale]

The selection for JWC for Norway is getting really interesting. Pernille With had the edge on Oda for a while, but then Oda just won junior Nationals with the highest score in junior women. Pernille WD from Nationals after the competition started, I think maybe illness, because she is healthy now and on or her way to EYOF. So EYOF will be important for Pernille for JWC selection. I´m not sure when they are going to decide on the JWC spot, but I hope they wait after Nordics, because Pernille and Oda is 2 of 3 juniors representing Norway in juniors, so it will almost be like a skate off for the JWC spot between them at Nordics.

For now, I think the rules are the two best scores through the seasons decide, so in that case Pernille is in now, but that could change after Nordics if Oda will score higher than Pernille second highest score, 136 points (unless Pernille scores higher at EYOF or/and at Nordics).

On the other hand, Oda has the highest SP score and Pernille has yet to score over 50. This could be the difference between qualifying or not for the FS at JWC and potentially one more spot in JGP next season or not. That would be an argument to send Oda. Pernille scores low in PCS, so even with a clean skate she will struggle to qualify. Oda however seems to struggle a bit with nerves, you can see her scores are everything from 111 to 139 from one competition to another and most of them at international competition, but she has good PCS scores. Pernille has consistently scored from 128 - 138 points at her last competitions and is obviously the best technical scorer (except Oda has better spins), so it´s more likely that she will keep her nerves under control and have a cleaner SP and overall competition.

I don´t think there even has ever been such close competition for the JWC spot before.

Oda Havgar Tønnesen

139.08 (53.71 + 85.37) Norwegian Championships 2023
113.05 (40.73 + 72.32) Latvian Trophy 2023
111.65 (35.56 + 76.09) NC 6
123,23 (50.71 + 72,52) Tirnavia Ice Cup
114,33 (39,47 + 74,86) JGP Egna
128,35 (47,32 + 81.03) NC 1


Pernille With

138.01 (45.57 + 92.44) Santa Claus Cup
136,78 (47,27 + 89,51) Ice Challenge 2022
128,46 (45,14 + 83,32) NC 4
128,07 (49,97 + 78,20) NC 1
115,73 (32,75 + 82,98) (JGP Riga)

Mia Risa Gomez has only competed in one junior competition this season, so I don´t think she is in the selection, in that case she needs to do one more junior competition. Senior results don´t count and her next events are senior competitions. She is most likely going to WC, I don´t think Norway will send the same skaters to both. If she didn´t go to WC, there would really be a no brainer to send her to JWC this season.

 

[TT_Fin]

Congratz to Olivia, for good skates and making the minimum for Worlds! Maybe Olivia will be picked for JWC? If Janna goes to Worlds, they probably want someone else to do JWC because the competitions is close in time and with major time difference as JWC is in Canada and WC in Japan, going to both is going to be challenging for skaters?

I just saw the results from junior women. Danish Anna Flora Colmor Jepsen just won the junior events, what a great achievement
But look at how tight the podium is: Anna Flora 131.93, Anna Sheniuk from Israel 131.33 and Petra Lahti from Finland with 131.13

You forgot Iida K. Local fed has the list with two best scores. Janna has just a small lead and Iida is second close to Janna, but Olivia will now go some places up in both seniors and juniors. They count also senior comps to juniors but decrease -3 points. Neither she or Janna has not skated at all at junior comps this season, but usually skaters go to JWC even they have not skated at juniors if not selected to worlds. They all have many competitions in near future, including Nordics, so we will see.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

@ladyjane I think you would like to see this. Look at the cute poster

It´s good to know they are already on their way. Finally Norway will have their first ID team competing at Euros, a historic moment for us, and i´m so worried that something would happen last minute to prevent it from happening. But for now everything is under control!

I´m starting to feel butterflies now as skaters are on their way, finally Euros again! It´s one of my favorite events of the year!!

 

[ladyjane]

I am so looking forward to this. Thank you @norwegianfairytale, the poster is really cute, I just love it when more countries participate!

 

[elbkup]

Usually I just lurk through this thread, reading and learning about single skaters from the Nordic region..
However I am a fan of synchronized skating also and just recently came across this 2020 FS performance by Team Marigold IceUnity of Finland.. a tribute to Notre Dame Cathedral and I was astonished and mesmerized by the performance of the piece and thought I would share it here.

Tribute to Notre Dame - Synchronized Skating Team Marigold IceUnity's 2020 Long Program

Three years ago, in January 2020, I travelled to Helsinki Finland to film the synchronized skating team, Marigold IceUnity. Their free program was a tribute ...

youtu.be

 

[ladyjane]

Seeing synchro by 'on ice perspectives' is very impressive. I've seen it in singles, pairs and Ice Dance but this tribute is as you say @elbkup just mesmerising.

 

[TT_Fin]

If I watched right, Janna had 3rd best TES after Anastasia G and Kimmy Repond today at Euro's SP. She may well get keep herself at the top10. Matias Lindfors has improved his PB at EYOF. I cheer for Andreas to keep it also at top10 tomorrow. I promise to give big applauses to him.

 

[TT_Fin]

Yesterday was very exciting day. Iida won the EYOF I was sure she will medal and predicted her to win. Andreas got 2nd spot for Sweden. He was a little bit lucky, but so, sometimes luckiness will be rewarded. Good for Sweden as they have several international level male skaters now. Valtter's placement was his best in Euros.

Still another exciting day ahead. Janna has good chance to keep her placement at top10 and get another spot for Finland. Josefin is close, so if she manages to skate clean, she could also go up a couple of places, just if she gets the PCS she deserves. Also waiting to see Mia Caroline. Juulia and Matthias are near to medal, do medalists get 3 spot? There are some junior ID pairs, but I think nobody who could compete next season at EC senior level. In seniors only Juho/Yuka. Jussiville P. is skating for Romania with a new partner, if I remember right. A pity Norwegian did not make it to free, but they got experience and new chance next year.

I just tried to find out when Finland announces the selections for JWC and WC. I noticed the rules for JWC has changed and they don't count senior competitions as they have done before by decreasing -3 points. I think it is fair change, because there are so many talented juniors who have not competed or are not age eligible to compete at seniors. And the dates are not the later than 1 day before official announcement must be given. I have no idea if the fed will announce them after or before Nordics. They just have time to to do it after Nordics, but there is not much time because the juniors must be announced at 6th February. After the rule change I am not sure if Makar S or Matias L has the best scores, those statistics were not updated yet. But because Janna has not competed at juniors, rule change means Iida will get the spot. The others are not even near her SB scores. Olivia has not competed at juniors either, so she cannot get the spot.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

It was a great week for Nordic skating

Very good skate for Janna, who got Finland 2 spots for next year. And not at least the bronze in Ice Dance, which is the first bronze in many years for Finland?

Also great competition for Andreas who also got Sweden 2 spots in men next year, hopefully Andreas and Nikolaj can both go to Euros next year!

And in EYOF Iida Karhunen won the whole ladies event

In Norway history was made too. All though the Koszuta/Bjørkli didn´t make the FD, they were the first ID couple to represent Norway, and they were happy with their score. Hopefully maybe next year they will qualify for the free?

I was feeling confident that Mia Caroline would make the FS this year in ladies, and despite what looked like a nervous warm up with a fall on the triple triple, she landed it the SP and got qualified. This is the first time since 2018 that Norway had a skater (women) make it to the free skate at Euros, so that was great. I had hoped for a bit better in the FS, after a couple of competitions with almost clean skates she made some more errors, but still it was a good effort in her first senior Championship.

So, now we are moving on to Nordics which is already this weekend?!

A lot of skaters from Euros are still on the entries list - Janna, Josefin, Mia, Andreas, will they be affected by the busy schedule and will some of them WD? Janna really looks like a favorite to win the senior ladies event.

Josefin is going, she confirmed it right after Euros, that she is ready to skate better in Nordics. She also needs too, because she still doesn´t have the SP minimum for Worlds and I think this competition will count towards minimums? There is not many competition left to do it now, I guess the last chance will be in the Challenge Cup in end of February?

A lot of the skaters from EYOF are also going to Nordics, Iida Karhunen as well who will be a favorite to win the junior ladies event. Pernille With, Camilla Poulsen and Nina Fredriksson who also competed there will be going as well. So a lot of skaters will do back to back competitions in Nordics.

Junior ladies field is packed with more skaters from other nations as well, so that will be interesting.

I´m going to a wedding on Saturday so I will miss out of most of the event, but hopefully I can watch the senior free skates on Saturday.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

I just tried to find out when Finland announces the selections for JWC and WC. I noticed the rules for JWC has changed and they don't count senior competitions as they have done before by decreasing -3 points. I think it is fair change, because there are so many talented juniors who have not competed or are not age eligible to compete at seniors.

Yes it´s the same in Norway, senior results don´t count towards JWC selection. You need at least two junior competition to be in the selection because it´s the average of the two best competition that counts. So that is the reason why Mia Caroline is not in the selection for Norway now, she only did one JGP and it doesn´t seem like she is doing more junior competitions this season. Since she is most likely going to WC instead, I think it make sense. However, I do wonder if she would have done one more junior competition if she didn´t have the minimums for WC. Mia is still listed as a junior skater by the Fed, so if she hadn´t had such a good start as senior I think she would have been in the mix for JWC.

I also think Norway will do the selection right after Nordics, because basically now the spot is between Oda Havgar and Pernille With and they are almost tied in two best scores. They are both going to Nordics so it will almost be like a skate off.

Pernille two best scores now are 274
Oda two best scores are 267

Kaia Kleven who is also going to Nordics, could theoretical also fight for the spot. She scored 130 at Nationals, but that means she has to score at least 145 points at Nordics to beat them, and it will also require that Oda and Pernille doesn´t beat their best scores. It´s not impossible. but not very likely. She really has a nice triple sal and a beautiful double axel but she doesn´t have more triples so I don´t think a score higher then 130 is even possible for her now.

 

[ladyjane]

I really liked the Norwegian Ice Dancers too, and hope they make the Free dance (which I have seen elsewhere and is quite something!) next year.

 

[TT_Fin]

Finland's fed still have the score list for JWC where still exist senior scores and skaters who have skated only in seniors but it is not equal to their own rules. Maybe the person who updates it has not been told about the changes. But it stays there clearly:

"JMM-kilpailuihin nimetään ensisijaisesti suurimman kahden parhaan juniorikokonaistuloksen yhteenlasketun summan saavuttanut nais- / miesluistelija. Kilpailuista vähintään toisen on oltava ISU:n kv. kilpailu.

Jos nimettävä luistelija tavoittelee paikkaa myös aikuisten MM kilpailusta, tulee hänen ilmoittaa JMM paikkaa vastaanottaessaan, luopuuko hän JMM paikastaan, mikäli hänet nimetään myös MM kilpailuihin.

Junioreiden SB-arvo voidaan saavuttaa joko ISU:n kv. kilpailukalenterin juniorikilpailussa, jommassa kummassa junioreiden SM-valintakilpailussa tai junioreiden SM-kilpailussa"'

In English:
"The female / male skater who has achieved the combined sum of the two best overall junior results is primarily nominated for the JMM competitions. At least one of the competitions must be an ISU kv. competitive.

If the skater to be nominated also seeks a place in the adult WC competition, he must inform the JMM when accepting the place, whether he will give up his JMM place if he is also nominated for the WC competitions.

Juniors' SB value can be achieved either in ISU's kv. in the junior competition of the competition calendar, in either of the Junior SM selection competitions or in the Junior SM competition."

The overlined thing has been changed not long ago. It is quite clear that the spot will be Iida's as Janna has not competed at juniors. The subsitutes are very close to each other but because there are still senior scores mentioned I don't know who is the closest. But they are all about 40 points or even more behind her when two best competitions are counted together so it is not reality for anybody to reach her scores. In men it is more interesting, Makar had good junior competitions in the beginning of the season, but Matias has been better lately and has improved her PB all the time. Also Makar has another score marked from seniors, so I don't remember which junior competition is his second best. I hope the FED could update the statistics corresponding to it's own rules.

 

[TT_Fin]

Josefin is going, she confirmed it right after Euros, that she is ready to skate better in Nordics. She also needs too, because she still doesn´t have the SP minimum for Worlds and I think this competition will count towards minimums? There is not many competition left to do it now, I guess the last chance will be in the Challenge Cup in end of February?

Yes, Nordics will be count for World TES, I guess the reason is why it is and why they keep it open.

 

[TT_Fin]

I was sloppy when I read the rules. They do count also the senior comps to scores. But they don't send same skater to JWC and WC.