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Question on PCS/Presentation scores
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Well, as long as we're going into the archives, I'll bring up one of my favorite men's costumes... and it comes from a skater not especially well-known for sartorial understatement.
Rudy Galindo's 1996 free skate costume was great. Solid black with no embellishment other than a tiny bit of white around the collar and cuff of the sleeve.
No pictures from me, you get the whole video, because, well, it's worth seeing again.
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Rudy Galindo's 1996 free skate costume was great. Solid black with no embellishment other than a tiny bit of white around the collar and cuff of the sleeve.
No pictures from me, you get the whole video, because, well, it's worth seeing again.
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I agree - the snakes are unnecessary and just ugly.Rhinestone Snakes around the upper body looks "understated"? I think it looks over-the-top absurd.
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This program was the perfect storm. The costume. along with Galindo's "dancer's carriage" and subtle portrait of the character. came beautifully together with what was perhaps the strongest technical execution of his career.Well, as long as we're going into the archives, I'll bring up one of my favorite men's costumes... and it comes from a skater not especially well-known for sartorial understatement.
Rudy Galindo's 1996 free skate costume was great. Solid black with no embellishment other than a tiny bit of white around the collar and cuff of the sleeve.
No pictures from me, you get the whole video, because, well, it's worth seeing again.
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^ Then there is the "two snakes slithering as one" look.
I think they were going for the Egyptian snakes that the rod of Aaron ate up. But I can't agree with the commenter who opined that Tuktamysheva's version was any better -- at least not the costume.
I think they were going for the Egyptian snakes that the rod of Aaron ate up. But I can't agree with the commenter who opined that Tuktamysheva's version was any better -- at least not the costume.
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True, true -- my girl! Trusova did not waste time on any aspect of skating that was not rotational jumps (although she was not deficient in other areas).
Why did she do this? She read the ISU code of points documents and came to the logical conclusion.
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Adore sparkles and embellishments in costuming where thought and taste is evident, knowing that appeal can be widely diverse. I tend toward less is more, i.e., as noted Peggy Fleming’s dress is unforgettable and Nathan’s choices seem to fit the description and are understatedly elegant. But I adore Yuzaru and Shoma in anything and everything they have worn and always looked forward to what was next with them. Women’s costuming is mostly exquisite, well thought out except the shredded, tattered skirt favored by some (Amber I’m looking at you 
) which disappoints me terribly unless the program is a post-apocalyptic downer. One women’s favorite dress is Mariah Bell’s heavenly dark blue with just enough sparkle ..
) which disappoints me terribly unless the program is a post-apocalyptic downer. One women’s favorite dress is Mariah Bell’s heavenly dark blue with just enough sparkle ..
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I think they spend efforts because the costumes make them memorable. Music can be either what everyone else uses and recognizes, or something nobody knows. Neither is conductive to sorting the middle of the pack from one another with 40 athletes skating one after another. Add a costume that might stand out, but not too much, and it helps. When it's Chen or Trusova, they don't need it. They need maximum performance gear. That's said, on TV a costume often looks more plain than it is. One of Trusova's 'bland' dresses actually sparkled like crazy in the arena lights.
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Uhhh, not that dismissively simple. Look at the practice videos with half a dozen of them, at a distance, all in variations of black and who the camera and audience are laser-focused on. Remember who was memorable enough in plain black UA to get 100000 people to stump up international livestream fees and jump through Japanese ticketbuying hoops just to watch him practice. Think back on the little Japanese star in plain blue shirt and white slacks. The best of the best don't need to be 'made' memorable, they already are. And the times costumes make the not so best memorable are oh so often for all the wrong reasons...
They were both clearly and absolutely as concerned with their image as anyone else (the price of his VW duds alone proves it for him, and she always wore very carefully, elaborately crafted 'heroic feisty girlboss' outfits. And makeup.) That the image/impression they were each so eager to project was different and more straitened, carefully designed to project 'cool', doesn't mean there wasn't just as much effort and spin.
I am not criticising them for that, they are performers as well as athletes, they've chosen their image spin and they have gone with it. It's a performance sport and the costumes glittery or plain, good or bad, and the makeup serve the same purpose as they do on stage or film. Tools of the trade.
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^ Still, I think that the broad outline of lariko's position is correct. The big quadsters have an overwhelming head start point-wise. In terms of winning the prestigious championships, it takes a whole lot of costume, music, choreography, performance, and even "skating skills" to be in the game. In sober reality the other guys' only chance is if the big jumpers make make a mistake (as Trusova did in the SP at the last Olympics, allowing Shcherbakova's two balanced programs to edge her out, once Valieva was taken out of the picture.)
As for 100,000 fans who line up to watch Yuzuru Hanyu in his practice clothes -- I don't think that we can generalize too much from that phenomenon. There is no accounting for that kind of... shall we say, enthusiasm.
As for 100,000 fans who line up to watch Yuzuru Hanyu in his practice clothes -- I don't think that we can generalize too much from that phenomenon. There is no accounting for that kind of... shall we say, enthusiasm.
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It was more a comment on the idea that the skaters "spend efforts because the costumes make them memorable." I mean, many of us skating fans (and the press for pretty pictures) find the costumes, good or bad, memorable but it's a bit sniffy to infer that anyone who likes to look gorgeous is doing it because they won't be remembered any other way... when often the costume is meant to enhance the impact of the program as a whole. And as I said before women wear makeup because it is de rigueur in public performance. You won't find competitive dancers without it either.
Back to the OP's question, studies have shown that people who are attractive have a headstart in many areas of life over those who are, ummm, not. Performance would unquestionably be one of those areas. It wouldn't be enough to win where they shouldn't (especially when other factors like fed power and politics outweigh) but we can't rule a shade of bias out. Especially with women.
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Thank goodness for the poor video quality. If it had been any clearer, it would give me nightmares.
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