Your opinion on Skate Canada

[Astrid56]

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Uhm, Astrid56

Could you show us how you got from the protocol to the TES for one judge and one skater for example....As I've mentioned below, one needs to use the SOV to get from the score on the protocol to the GOE factor that gets multiplied by the BV for an element. And the SOV number is different for each element and each level of element.

If you've created a spreadsheet that can do this for dance scores, I know that many of us would love to have you share it.

But if you are treating the judges' scores on the protocol as if they were ordinals, that wouldn't be accurate....

As I said earlier, i am not using the ordinals. I use the raw scores as the basis. No point in using the ordinals as these simply show the judge's placement for each team based on the raw score given to them. I didn't do the TES numbers although I have figured that out. As far as I know my calculation for the PCS numbers are right, these perfectly match the judge's. I have to do it in a spreadsheet to make calculating easier - I guess, the 'accountant' in me loves doing that.

 

[lyndichee]

No, I just got the impression that you think Canadians are hated, etc. I am just commenting, on my end .. I don't feel that. And it's OK to disagree. Again, my comments are based on the numbers shown on the Judges' Detailed Skaters' scores. I didn't magically produce those numbers, they originated from the Judges' score cards.

Your impression on that is right but your post telling me not to hate is incorrect as I felt disliked rather than me targeting others. I do feel like people do invalidate a lot of Canadian's opinions. I remember a situation where mods had to step in as well. You may not feel it because you may not have been specifically targeted for being Canadian.

I understand while your comments are based on the numbers, I am not disputing the numbers at all. What I am disputing is your assumption that the inclusion of a Canadian judge's scores but not the other judges who had a national interest in a team winning means that they are strategically placing scores in order to ensure that V/M got the highest scores. I think that is a wild assumption. What I originally disputed was this post, not the numbers.

Maybe! The Canadian Judge made a smart calculation and posted a score just slightly lower than what I guess he expected from some judges. Some kinda have a feel of some Judges' scoring patterns/tendencies.

 

[TGee]

As I said earlier, i am not using the ordinals. I use the raw scores as the basis. No point in using the ordinals as these simply the judge's placement based on the raw score given. I didn't do the TES numbers although I have figured that out. As far as I know my calculation for the PCS numbers are right, these perfect;u match the judge's. I have to do it in spreadsheet to make the calculation easier - the 'accountant' in me loves doing that.

So, just to be clear, the rankings in your table are based on PCS only?

And there are no ordinals in the protocols at all... Those GOEs from each judge are values + or - from the BV. You'd need to import all the factoring from the SOV chart for the various elements to get a TES score for each judge...

But since you are an accountant [and therefore have great attention to detail], this should be very straightforward for you...

On the other hand, I understand better where your inclination to look for gamesmanship might come from.....Are you by chance an auditor?

 

[Astrid56]

Your impression on that is right but your post telling me not to hate is incorrect as I felt disliked rather than me targeting others. I do feel like people do invalidate a lot of Canadian's opinions. I remember a situation where mods had to step in as well. You may not feel it because you may not have been specifically targeted for being Canadian.

I understand while your comments are based on the numbers, I am not disputing the numbers at all. What I am disputing is your assumption that the inclusion of a Canadian judge's scores but not the other judges who had a national interest in a team winning means that they are strategically placing scores in order to ensure that V/M got the highest scores. I think that is a wild assumption. What I originally disputed was this post, not the numbers.

I didn't tell you about 'hating' ... it is moot to do that at this point. Well, it's Ok to disagree ... too pointless to argue about that. So let's just say "we agree to disagree".

 

[treeloving]

whole post....

I remember watching TEB 2013 live in the arena and thought that in a fair world Jason should get better PCS than Chan and Hanyu too.

 

[OS]

Another thing:
I don't care what anyone else says.
Mark my words, if Yuzuru ever gets in top form this season, he'll show everybody that this is the best free program music he's ever had.

I hope so.. the music is beautiful but the edit is ambitious and he need to make it work by bring cohesion in the choreoraphy. For now Romeo and Juliet is his seminal legendary greatests of all time fs. HAN YAN lost it at music selection; Once again let down by his team.... nice sp though.

 

[HanDomi]

I hope so.. the music is beautiful but the edit is ambitious and he need to make it work by bring cohesion in the choreoraphy. For now Romeo and Juliet is his seminal legendary greatests of all time fs. HAN YAN lost it at music selection; Once again let down by his team.... nice sp though.

Seimei is by far the best program he ever had (along wih Chopin) , and one of the best programs ever in mens for me. But once he will get on topp of his game this season with his new free I am sure it will be amazing too.

 

[Lindacrow]

Seimei is by far the best program he ever had (along wih Chopin) , and one of the best programs ever in mens for me. But once he will get on topp of his game this season with his new free I am sure it will be amazing too.

Matters of opinions. But tbh when is it not?

For goodness sake, the program is called "Hope and Legacy" I sure hope he will skate it clean and leave a legacy if you know what I mean :agree:

 

[OS]

Seimei is by far the best program he ever had (along wih Chopin) , and one of the best programs ever in mens for me. But once he will get on topp of his game this season with his new free I am sure it will be amazing too.

Seimei is a calculated warrior jumping drill for me, i much prefer the raw innocent uncalculated passion.(& breathless struggles became part of the performance) for of r&j.
There are better Chopins out there but no better Romeo & Juliets. It is a personal preference thing.

 

[Blades of Passion]

Yeah his Romeo & Juliet in 2012 was the best program he's had. The range and depth of emotion in it is something extremely rare in skating anymore and he's never matched it since then. Only that darn spin before the last footwork sequence was a problem, but I'll take that over the blockier and more shallow Seimei. His program this year won't top 2012 Romeo & Juliet either, but it may end up being his 2nd best LP ever in my estimation. They probably won't change the choreography of that first spin, which I find wrong with the music, or any of the music edit, but I do hope they still refine more of the details in the program. I'm not sure that will happen, though. Hanyu's programs pretty much never change from what they are at the start of a season. The focus just becomes on skating it cleanly. I do very much enjoy the dream-like and transcendent potential this program still has, though.

 

[Jaana]

Ladies: The technical controller was brutal. It kind of takes the steam out of the competition considering the crowd was really happy there weren't a lot of falls.

That kind of technical controller was needed in SA and hopefully we have one or more like that at Worlds!!! IMO, it´s the job of technical controller / technical panel to notice UR´s and other faults in jumping. It is not fair towards other skaters if these faults are ignored.

The technical panel is there to judge the competition and not for the purpose of pleasing the audience ...

 

[WeakAnkles]

Seimei is a calculated warrior jumping drill for me, i much prefer the raw innocent uncalculated passion.(& breathless struggles became part of the performance) for of r&j.
There are better Chopins out there but no better Romeo & Juliets. It is a personal preference thing.

De gustibus non est disputandum.

 

[Yatagarasu]

Hanyu's programs pretty much never change

We'll see but this one is different due to his injury as he's still hampered by it so right now, I think it's a matter of what he can do and I think Orser implied there might be changes to come, considering SC. The first part of it may be what they adjust and I'd be happy for it as I do think that's what needs tweaking.

 

[lyndichee]

That kind of technical controller was needed in SA and hopefully we have one or more like that at Worlds!!! IMO, it´s the job of technical controller / technical panel to notice UR´s and other faults in jumping. It is not fair towards other skaters if these faults are ignored.

The technical panel is there to judge the competition and not for the purpose of pleasing the audience ...

I am not saying that is not the technical controller's job, I was just stating how I felt the audience reception to the scores were.

 

[SarahSynchro]

I just YouTubed the men's medal ceremony, I can't stop laughing at the guy who yelled out: "You the man, Patrick Chan!" I wonder if he's a member of the forums here?

 

[puremagic]

Pleasant atmosphere. Full stadium. Support for each skater. Very good GP event.

 

[rvi5]

Pleasant event, except as usual the arena food sucked. Long lines at the food counters, only to learn they were out of anything half descent or didn't have it ready to serve.

 

[Meoima]

Yeah his Romeo & Juliet in 2012 was the best program he's had. The range and depth of emotion in it is something extremely rare in skating anymore and he's never matched it since then. Only that darn spin before the last footwork sequence was a problem, but I'll take that over the blockier and more shallow Seimei. His program this year won't top 2012 Romeo & Juliet either, but it may end up being his 2nd best LP ever in my estimation. They probably won't change the choreography of that first spin, which I find wrong with the music, or any of the music edit, but I do hope they still refine more of the details in the program. I'm not sure that will happen, though. Hanyu's programs pretty much never change from what they are at the start of a season. The focus just becomes on skating it cleanly. I do very much enjoy the dream-like and transcendent potential this program still has, though.

If I understand correctly, Shae intends to end the donut spin at the music transitions and he changes to sit spin position when the next music cut comes in? https://youtu.be/PTf-TknziyQ?t=1m28s

 

[apgold]

Pleasant event, except as usual the arena food sucked. Long lines at the food counters, only to learn they were out of anything half descent or didn't have it ready to serve.

I brought in most of my own food, despite the "no outside food" policy and I saw many others who did the same. I did eat the "gourmet" hot dog which wasn't too bad.

As for the event itself, being an American at a Canadian event was interesting, although since there were so many Japanese fans there, it felt a bit like Japan, too! The cheers for all Canadians were huge, and respectful applause for everyone else (unless you were Misha Ge during the freeskate).

I felt the scoring was a bit biased but if I were at Skate America would I feel the same? Both events had 7 medals for their home countries, so wondering if this will be the case for the rest of the GP?

 

[MsSweetie]

Men: SP - LP -

Ladies: SP - LP - :clapper:

Pairs: SP - LP: :noshake:

Dance: SD - FD - :hap57:


All in all my favourite moments were the technical controller in the Ladies SP, Kaetlyn Osmond's return to the GP circuit, Duhamel & Radford's almost clean throw 3 axel, the return of Virtue & Moir (despite the fact that I might be only one who likes both of their programs) and most of all, how much I adored Gilles/Poirier. That SD was awesome. It's nice to see DANCING in ice dance.

Still can't get the feeling with Medvedeva OR Chock & Bates. I want to like them... I really really do. But for some reason, I can't get 100% behind them.