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Yuzuru Hanyu: 2014-15 Season

And seriously people who think that he would be fine by practicing alone should recheck the whole situation.

When it was in the GPF series: CoC - 10 days off ice - several days of practice for NHK - one week of practice towards GPF - one week staying idle because of pain in the stomach - several days practice for National.

In short, he was mostly coachless in those times BUT he had the momentum, his body still maintained the necessary muscles to jump and spin as well as glide on ice. So in those days, his body, even though was tired out, was still in the competitive state regularly.

This current situation is totally different, he was off from practice for almost TWO MONTH due to doctor's advice. All the muscles to jumps, spin and glide on the ice have been lost during that whole period. His body has lost its momentum. Staying off ice for too long means he has to rebuild all the muscles again. You think one months is enough for him to come back to his top form?

Being off ice for ten days up to two week is totally different from being off ice without adequate practice for two months!!!

I'd say it's over-optimistic to think he can do this all alone without Orser's team. People should save their hatred for Orser for another time. You think he doesn't need his coach and he can practice alone still get very good result? That sounds like little sense of reality, especially in his current state.

I might sound harsh but seriously just think about it, other guys are all praticing well, with guidance from their coaches, they don't have to stay off ice for too long, they don't lose their muscles, they don't lack practice... If Yuzuru wants to compete against them, he needs to get back to full scale practice right now, unless his ankle injury doesn't allow him too.

I hope Yuzuru has already started building up his body, and the current delay of going to Toronto is truly for the sake of his leg. Because if it's just because he has grown too comfortable to the surrounding and doesn't want to leave his hometown, then he'd better say goodbye to WC due to lack of preparation.
 
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I don't want to see him frustrated, to be sincere maybe it's better to WD. ( I don't think that one month is enough for him now to come back in shape) :slink:
 
I don't want to see him frustrated, to be sincere maybe it's better to WD. ( I don't think that one month is enough for him now to come back in shape) :slink:

Because he's not in Canada?:laugh:


It's not the very first time Yuzu is in a very difficult situation, from a certain point of viw it seems to be his normality..it's hard to be a Yuzu's fan!

please, stay positive! GOOO YUZUUUUU!!!:cheer2:
 
Because he's not in Canada?:laugh:


It's not the very first time Yuzu is in a very difficult situation, from a certain point of viw it seems to be his normality..it's hard to be a Yuzu's fan!

please, stay positive! GOOO YUZUUUUU!!!:cheer2:
I know that it's not the first time, he proved that he is very strong, but it seems to me that at this time situation is more complicated, he is injured,training according his recovery condition coachless and do you think 4 weeks is enough to come back in shape for WC? we've seen that some skaters were on the top of their form at 4cc. I'd rather prefer him to WD than see him dissapointed. But I'm still positive, It will be great if I'll be miskaten.
 
I know that it's not the first time, he proved that he is very strong, but it seems to me that at this time situation is more complicated, he is injured,training according his recovery condition coachless and do you think 4 weeks is enough to come back in shape for WC? we've seen that some skaters were on the top of their form at 4cc. I'd rather prefer him to WD than see him dissapointed. But I'm still positive, It will be great if I'll be miskaten.

I just support him, no matter what..

honestly, I've never thought Yuzu would have shown his better jumps ever in Barcelona, only two weeks after NHK..I couldn't believe my eyes while watching his FS, effortless 4S, effortless 4T perfectly in time with the music, umbelievable 3A combos almost at the end of the program...

I think this is what makes so special (and so hard) being a Yuzu's fan! You never know ...:)
 
I just support him, no matter what..

I think this is what makes so special (and so hard) being a Yuzu's fan! You never know ...:)

That for sure, as somebody posted here: "To be Yuzu's fan you need one taugh heart and one spare heart" We never know.. :confused2:
 
Yes but that time he didn't have to stay almost 2 months off ice and lost all the muscles. So this time it's more difficult for him. People should prepare mentally beforehand. I'm afraid if he competes at WC, he might not be at top form.

He was injured in Nice, he was injured ( and terribly zombie) in London .... He was injured in Barcelona, He underwent abdominal surgery some days after JN... just to say about some episodes.. it's umpredictable, is it enough?:laugh:
 
I don't want to see him frustrated, to be sincere maybe it's better to WD. ( I don't think that one month is enough for him now to come back in shape) :slink:

I honestly think there's not enough solid information for all the speculation; each person's logic my be sound with the given info; but the there's not a lot of unambiguous info... which is why I wanted to keep out of it.
Having said that :o: I think we shouldn't have an all or nothing mentality. I'm more inclined to agree with what Meioma has said in the past: medals don't matter, he's won it all (except 4cc ;P), and as long as he's happy and skating; as he was at gpf, even if he fell, he was happy just to be skating, smiling when he got up, and at world's I don't care if he falls twice again, if he still smiles like that :) and even if he doesn't perform well, he's young, no matter how decorated, and every experience is a learning experience. If he can't have a good showing at world's it'll help him get back in competition form for WTT. It's okay if he doesn't win, I don't want him to win or if he can't WD, If he can win great, if he's fourth, it's all good, and better to me than WD (unless he's injured).

Is some of wanting him back in Toronto pronto (Srry) because of what Shae Lynn said? wanting to see a perfect POTO? it's sad if we won't get to see it in competition(he'll probably repeat it as ex if he isn't satisfied; or are you worried he'll repeat it next season?:p), and I guess I wont say to wait till WTT since he'll probably go back to Japan after world's, but the things she talked about improving can be improved next season. He's already improved a lot since last season, as seen in the summer shows and gpf.
 
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He was injured in Nice, he was injured ( and terribly zombie) in London .... He was injured in Barcelona, He underwent abdominal surgery some days after JN... just to say about some episodes.. it's umpredictable, is it enough?:laugh:
He was injured in those times but his body still have the muscles he needs for jumps and spin. It's totally different from this time when he has lost all the muscles. Two weeks without pratice might make you lose all the muscles and you will have to rebuild them again, not to mention two months. It's extremely hard. so I'm not confident that he will regain his top shape by that time, especially when the news about his leg is still "little progress". Be a little realistic. Other guys are in their top shape at 4CC, and the guys at Europe have more time to improve. At the same time Yuzuru's ice time is more limited. He's at the disadvantage here.

And I agree with WoChair, we shouldn't held our hope too high. Knowing Yuzuru, and now that 3 slots for Japan team is involved as both Mura and Kozuka are not consistent, I'm afraid he migt have put more burden on himself.

Nevertheless I'd say I only hope to see him smile in his performance like he did at GPF, regardless of the results.
 
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^TBH I'm still going to predict him in first:hopelessness:; I tend to predict alternatively: if you're amazing in one competition I'm going to put you down in the next:drama: so to me, top shape at 4cc means nothing, I'll probably put Javi above Denis too, even though there's high chance Javi might end up being Javi. But what Meioma's talking about about muscle loss is the major problem, and what was the major fear for me with surgery. On the plus side, it probably gave him time to properly heal the injuries he garnered in the first half of the season. On the minus side, he's at risk of injury right now (like what happened with the knee in 2013 W after the flu; they'll be more prepared this time probably), I hope he's not too pressured about spots(I fully believe in the other skaters to be able to retain 3 spots though), and he needs time to build muscle back. Was he off ice for two whole months though? I thought it was one month? or one and a half at most? Any way, even the weeks that he was off icein bed in the first half of the season probably lost him some muscle too, the fact that it's one thing after another isn't good.

And having said all that I believe in Yuzuru, and I'm actually not pessimistic, though I guess everything I said sort of contradicts that... I don't know, thinking he'll still win is not too high hopes for me, it's not expecting him to win, and it's not thinking he has to win, just that he's Yuzuru, so he'll probably pull it out, and if he doesn't that's fine too.
 
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Yes but that time he didn't have to stay almost 2 months off ice and lost all the muscles. So this time it's more difficult for him. At GPF and Nationals, he was injured but he's still in shape to some degree, not perfect but the muscles were still there.
But now, he doesn't have all the muscles to back him up. People should prepare mentally beforehand. I'm afraid if he competes at WC, he might not be at top form.

Please, let's not panic! Is pessimism the ability to change or influence the situation? Only faith in the best and the optimism of the fans will support Yuzu in a difficult period!
 
You know, I have only good wish towards yuzuru, and I know I'm in no position to criticise him, but I can't help but feel this way: this time, yuzuru's behaviour is unprofessional/immature, because 1. he or his staff should have given consistent/un-contradictory info to Brian and to JSF, but he didn't, unless either Brian or JSF was lying. 2. If he decides to withdraw he needs to let JSF know immediately, so that JSF can find a replacement asap and the replacement can start preparing asap. If he decides to compete he should train more seriously because this time, this situation is different from GP because Japan's 3 spots partially depends on yuzuru's performance. If he decides to "wait and see how the injury heals", which seems to be the actual case, then he's being too wilful. Of course Japan's 3 spots is none of my business. I'm just very worried for him because this Worlds can affect him in multiple ways. That said, I still believe in him no matter what.
 
I do understand the concern and worry of some of the fans here. My position to this situation is to not expect anything, to assume nothing and to wish him full health. :)
 
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I would have been more confident if for example he could go for LP with 2x 4T. But even in the worst shape he will go for 4S :hopelessness: :hopelessness:
 
His training coachless before GPF still earned him the gold, so I think this time, he can do it again. Admittedly, this time, the situation can be more challenging, considering muscle loss and healing from a surgery. But I believe in his capability to overcome these. He has made miracles one after another. So why not this time?
That said, I still think he will probably go to Canada around the beginning of March. Just be paitient and allow this kid, who has just undergone a surgery and various injuries, a little bit more family time.
 
You know, I have only good wish towards yuzuru, and I know I'm in no position to criticise him, but I can't help but feel this way: this time, yuzuru's behaviour is unprofessional/immature, because 1. he or his staff should have given consistent/un-contradictory info to Brian and to JSF, but he didn't, unless either Brian or JSF was lying. 2. If he decides to withdraw he needs to let JSF know immediately, so that JSF can find a replacement asap and the replacement can start preparing asap. If he decides to compete he should train more seriously because this time, this situation is different from GP because Japan's 3 spots partially depends on yuzuru's performance. If he decides to "wait and see how the injury heals", which seems to be the actual case, then he's being too wilful. Of course Japan's 3 spots is none of my business. I'm just very worried for him because this Worlds can affect him in multiple ways. That said, I still believe in him no matter what.

We don't know all the details to make such conclusions...: Rolleye:
 
You know, I have only good wish towards yuzuru, and I know I'm in no position to criticise him, but I can't help but feel this way: this time, yuzuru's behaviour is unprofessional/immature, because 1. he or his staff should have given consistent/un-contradictory info to Brian and to JSF, but he didn't, unless either Brian or JSF was lying. 2. If he decides to withdraw he needs to let JSF know immediately, so that JSF can find a replacement asap and the replacement can start preparing asap. If he decides to compete he should train more seriously because this time, this situation is different from GP because Japan's 3 spots partially depends on yuzuru's performance. If he decides to "wait and see how the injury heals", which seems to be the actual case, then he's being too wilful. Of course Japan's 3 spots is none of my business. I'm just very worried for him because this Worlds can affect him in multiple ways. That said, I still believe in him no matter what.

Oh the Chorus from a bunch of Cassandras has started! :laugh:

Please don't bash the kid by saying he is unprofessional/immature just because he decided not to go back to Canada, please respect Yuzuru and his decision!
 
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You know, I have only good wish towards yuzuru, and I know I'm in no position to criticise him, but I can't help but feel this way: this time, yuzuru's behaviour is unprofessional/immature, because 1. he or his staff should have given consistent/un-contradictory info to Brian and to JSF, but he didn't, unless either Brian or JSF was lying. 2. If he decides to withdraw he needs to let JSF know immediately, so that JSF can find a replacement asap and the replacement can start preparing asap. If he decides to compete he should train more seriously because this time, this situation is different from GP because Japan's 3 spots partially depends on yuzuru's performance. If he decides to "wait and see how the injury heals", which seems to be the actual case, then he's being too wilful. Of course Japan's 3 spots is none of my business. I'm just very worried for him because this Worlds can affect him in multiple ways. That said, I still believe in him no matter what.
From what I've read, Yuzuru or his staff have given somewhat consistent information to Ms. Kobayashi that he has injury in his leg and he had to refrained from full scale practice. In this case I think the contradicted information were because Orser was late to the update since he had 4CC to worry for Canadian team. I don't think either Orser or JSF lied, it's just they were given information in different times. He might have told Orser he would be okay and fly to Canada this week but the progress was slow, thus the delay information from Ms. Kobayashi.

About Yuzuru's ankle injury, the information is still so vague and we couldn't tell for sure the severity of his injury. JSF officials haven't visited him yet so they couldn't give out any realiable information.

And believe me, JSF might want him to be there at WC more than us fans. Yuzuru is their biggest draw at the moment, who else want him there the most other than JSF? The pressure on him this time is not getting any lesser than last year. So I can understand why he wants to avoid the media, even JSF for as long as possible.

I agree with some of you above, we shouldn't expect anything, we can only wish him full health.
 
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