2016 Skate Canada Ladies FP

[TheGrandSophy]

I will state this:

If you are mad, upset, angry about the program, I understand. But please, please direct your ire towards the person who actually deserves it: Averbukh. It was his concept and his creation and I have no doubt he probably sold it to Evgenia in some totally innocuous way.

Averbukh's is the fault, Averbukh and whoever of the RuFed allowed this program past the test skates.

People are. Or at least the vast majority; I haven't parsed every single comment. In fact, people are saying that she deserved to win. The programme though? Tacky, tasteless and offensive to many. Also upsetting. At least one friend on twitter, a New Yorker, signed off in tears. She hated it. She does NOT hate Evgenia.

 

[Tolstoj]

Except it's not. It's taken from a movie about 9/11. It's tacky, in poor taste, and it's beneath her level, quite honestly.

That is your opinion and of course i respect it but it's not that tacky to be considered scandalous. Personally i really like the opening choreo and the middle section after the 3Lo.

Averbukh already did a 9/11 tribute program 14-15 years ago and he received a standing ovation in Salt Lake City at the 2002 Olympic games.

 

[atsumiri]

Evgenia Medvedeva on her programs this season, from interview at Japan Open: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv4G6wcVIAAlHjA.jpg:large

 

[Alexz]

Oh I read this as 'Tuktamysheva became pharaoh at the age of 10' and thought this was some kind of joke about her Cleopatra program...

so what?

Tutankhamun became pharaoh at the age of 10.

I thought Liza has roots in Udmurtia, not in ancient Egypt.

I propose we call Liza as Tutankhamysheva this season!

 

[Blades of Passion]

Medvedeva's 3T in her 3S+3T combo was blatantly underrotated. Yet, she doesn't get called for it.

This is a joke. It's bad enough she has a trash program.

 

[Lenny318]

I do not really like the music and the program. I did not like programs to Schindlerrs Liste too. But we discuss here about the following thing. Is a Russian allowed to skate to this or is it only reserved for Americans or for nobody. I say a skater of a country with so much victims in WW2 may skate to such tragic themes.

I would think even the USFSA would tell a skater to take out the sound effects regardless of how much the skater's team argued that they needed to be in there.

 

[TMC]

Huh? You can hear 'One of the two planes was hijacked...'; George W. Bush; screams; "Oh my god" and sirens. How much more literal do you want it?

Grey streaks in the hair to represent the ashes? Apparently that was what Lobacheva sported in Averbukh's 1st 9/11 programme in 2002

 

[Tolstoj]

Huh? You can hear 'One of the two planes was hijacked...'; George W. Bush; screams; "Oh my god" and sirens. How much more literal do you want it?

Well i was talking about the choreography, as Averbukh himself also admitted: the choreo could be related to any tragedy (referring to the aircraft crashed in Egypt)

 

[TheGrandSophy]

Grey streaks in the hair to represent the ashes? Apparently that was what Lobacheva sported in Averbukh's 1st 9/11 programme in 2002

Ugh. And as for the people who keep bringing up Holocaust programmes, okay, perhaps they can imagine a slow, mournful score and, as the skater begins their step sequence, overlaid we hear the hiss of the gas pipes, screams in Yiddish and people choking. Well, this to many feels similar.

 

[CoyoteChris]

No full standing O's today, but the top 3 all got partial SO's. I'd say Evgenia received the biggest SO for ladies.

Thanks. That is interesting....I saw that and I was surprised....

 

[Heleng]

Finally finished watching the ladies FS. I thoroughly enjoyed both Evgenia's and Kaetlyn's performances, well deserved first and second. I know Evgenia has her critics, but she always manages to draw me in, like there's something magical about her, not to mention that I am in awe of her imperviousness to pressure. I haven't followed Kaetlyn much before, but boy she had me sold with both her performances here. She has a beautiful smile, luminous presence, and wonderful skating and performance qualities. If she can skate like she did here consistently, watch out!

 

[luckyguy]

I would find it extremely tasteless whoever skated to it. Even moreso if it was an American lady.

It's not about countries or politics. It's about potentially hearing your loved one's screams while watching a competitive figure skating programme.

Yes, it was extensively discussed in another thread. I wished they had cut it out. But we should criticize her coach or choreographer and not the girl.

 

[TMC]

Ugh. And as for the people who keep bringing up Holocaust programmes, okay, perhaps they can imagine a slow, mournful score and, as the skater begins their step sequence, overlaid we hear the hiss of the gas pipes, screams in Yiddish and people choking. Well, this to many feels similar.

Exactly. The difference is that it's far more likely that people who lost loved ones on 9/11 will be in the audience to listen to the sounds of the worst day of their lives.

 

[avantgardener]

Grey streaks in the hair to represent the ashes? Apparently that was what Lobacheva sported in Averbukh's 1st 9/11 programme in 2002

Don't forget the symbolic tower-falling [??] ending... Hell, if Medvedeva ever does somehow manage to fall, she could write it off as thematically / choreographically appropriate.

 

[TheGrandSophy]

Well i was talking about the choreography, as Averbukh himself also admitted: the choreo could be related to any tragedy (referring to the aircraft crashed in Egypt)

And, if the sound effects were taken out? That explanation could fly. However, with them, it feels tacky and exploitative. Anyway, I've made my point. I don't want to go on and on. But hopefully some can take on board how some of us feel. Congrats to Zhenya! She did well. May she have better programmes next year.

 

[TMC]

Yes, it was extensively discussed in another thread. I wished they had cut it out. But we should criticize her coach or choreographer and not the girl.

I haven't seen anyone criticize Evgenia?

 

[gravy]

Don't forget the symbolic tower-falling [??] ending... Hell, if Medvedeva ever does somehow manage to fall, she could write it off as thematically / choreographically appropriate.

Interpretation: 10.00

 

[luckyguy]

I haven't seen anyone criticize Evgenia?

Oh, your words: I feel this 9/11 programme is offensive =/= I don't like Evgenia How is this so hard to accept for some people?

 

[Alexz]

Ugh. And as for the people who keep bringing up Holocaust programmes, okay, perhaps they can imagine a slow, mournful score and, as the skater begins their step sequence, overlaid we hear the hiss of the gas pipes, screams in Yiddish and people choking. Well, this to many feels similar.

Hey, I'm a Jew and I would be ok with it. It's not like we should hate all Germans now for no reason. The problem was not Germany and not even ideology of nationalistic supremacy, but the dirty politics and unfair situation German nation was put into after WW1, which surely led to WW2. Med's program is not just about 9/11, but if you like hating - hate not the choreographer, not the coach, not the program and not the young skater, but hate terrorists and politicians who sponsoring them. Art is the most important thing that brings freedom and unity to our world, and yet you along some others are advocating against freedom of artistic expression and trying to introduce censorship. Trust me not everything on this planet is about you and you shallow bubble of small world you live in. I know you better than that, just look on this program from other people's perspective. They also lost their people in other countries tries due to terrorist attacks too.

 

[TMC]

Oh, your words: I feel this 9/11 programme is offensive =/= I don't like Evgenia How is this so hard to accept for some people?

Huh? I think you misunderstood...in case you didn't know =/= means "not equal to".

So what I wrote was "Saying I feel this 9/11 programme is offensive is not equal to saying I don't like Evgenia". Or, "I don't like this programme, but it doesn't mean that I don't like Evgenia".

In other words, when I say I find it offensive, I am not saying that I don't like Evgenia.

There were many comments about feeling offended by the programme (again, not Evgenia), and a lot of replies to them stating something like "so you don't like her". I find it puzzling how people can draw a conclusion like that.