2017 Four Continents Men FS

[MaiKatze]

Apparently not Yuzuru Hanyu, who casually YOLOs one as his last jumping pass. He needs to share his mojo with the other guys. But then he'd lose his advantage, so keep those secrets!

I don't think Shoma is losing his axels either. With all the quads, one thing I never doubt is Yuzuru's triple axel.

 

[gladiolusc]

Apparently not Yuzuru Hanyu, who casually YOLOs one as his last jumping pass. He needs to share his mojo with the other guys. But then he'd lose his advantage, so keep those secrets!

Yep XD he did the 3A because he felt a little tight and tired

 

[4everchan]

Well I was bored and I'm sure there's like at least one other person in here that would care...

Steps + spins
Jason 23.17 (9.4/13.77)
Yuzuru 22.06 (9.2/12.86)
Shoma 21.99 (9.0/12.99 highest STSQ: 5.9)
Patrick 21.51 (9.5/12.01)
Nathan 21.18 (8.9/12.28)
Grant 19.59 (8.0/11.59)
Misha 18.11 (8.0/10.11)
Han 18.01 (7.2/10.81)
Boyang 17.05 (6.53/10.52)
Nam 16.93 (6.4/10.53)

Also, I have to correct from earlier, actually Patrick had the highest step sequence totals and Shoma had the highest Stsq4. Jason has the highest spins, but that doesn't probably surprise anyone.

I'll do a jump break down later....speaking of which...where is Geek on Ice...I miss her!

i miss geek on ice too... i wonder if some of the negative comments she received for calling patrick the king are responsible for her vanishing... truly a great loss for the forum

 

[KatGrace1925]

Yep XD he did the 3A because he felt a little tight and tired

His 3A is seriously good stuff so it makes sense.

 

[MaiKatze]

Misha Ge looks like he is skating to his own requiem. If these are your last moments on the Worlds' stage go out with a bang, I say! Big Bang or hip hop. Where is the risky trickster?

Edit: I say that as a lover of all things Tchaikovsky.

 

[xeyra]

I don't think Shoma is losing his axels either. With all the quads, one thing I never doubt is Yuzuru's triple axel.

I was so sad with Shoma's 3A in his free. It's such a great jump from him. Maybe it's like Patrick and his 4T at the GPF (or Yuzu and his 4S). Concentrating too much on their 4Los like Patrick was on the 4S, that when the time came, the new jump appeared but the money jumps just weren't there.

 

[Mrs. P]

Okay jump stats! Enjoy.

BV (Jumps)
Nathan 106.48 (90.38)
Boyang 106.18 (91.58)
Yuzuru 93.20 (77.3)
Shoma 91.23 (75.13)
Nam 90.31 (75.41)
Patrick 85.73 (70.53)
Grant 76.40 (61.2)
Han 74.42 (59.22)
Misha 73.73 (59.43)
Jason 70.04 (53.94)

GOE (Jumps)
Yuzuru 19.13 (12.97)
Jason 9.32 (2.25)
Nathan 9.00 (3.92)
Misha 6.91 (3.31)
Shoma 7.66 (1.77)
Patrick 3.21 (-3.1)
Nam 2.26 (0.23)
Grant 0.6 (-4.33)
Han -1.33 (-5.78)
Boyang -5.44 (-9.61)

Jump TES (Top 10)
Nathan 94.30
Yuzuru 90.27
Boyang 83.69
Shoma 76.70
Nam 75.64
Patrick 67.43
Misha 62.53
Grant 57.41
Jason 56.19
Han 55.08

Quad combos
Nathan 20.33 (4Z-3T)
Boyang 18.33 (4Z-3T)
Patrick 17.17 (4T-3T)
Nam 15.25 (4S-2T-2Lo)
Shoma 14.05 (4T-2T)
Yuzuru 13.90 (4T-2T)
Han 12.46 (4T-2T)
Nathan 12.03 (4T-2T)
Boyang 11.56 (4T-2T)
Grant 9.71 (4T-2T)

Quad jump
Nathan 14.73 (4F)
Shoma 14.69 (4F)
Shoma 14.43 (4Lo)
Yuzuru 14.14 (4Lo)
Nathan 12.84 (4S)
Yuzuru 11.93 (4Lo)
Brendan 11.93 (4S)
Nam 11.44 (4T)
Shoma 10.79 (4T)
Nathan 9.79 (4T)
Grant 9.1 (4T)
Boyang 8.96 (4S)
Han 7.67 (4T)
Patrick 7.33 (4T)
Boyang 7.33 (4T)
Kevin 6.73 (4S<)
Kevin 4.79 (4T<-REP)
Boyang 4.40 (4Lo<)
Patrick 4.1 (4S<)
Nam 4.1 (4S<)
Kevin 4.0 (4T<)
Jinseo 4.0 (4T<)

Triple Axel -combos
Yuzuru 16.51 (3A-3T)
Boyang 15.60 (3A-1L-3S)
Nam 14.08 (3A-3T)
Misha 13.69 (3A-1L-3S)
Keiji 13.62 (3A-2T-2Lo)
Brendan 13.17 (3A-1L-3S)
Julian 11.74 (3A-2T-2Lo)
Brendan 10.80 (3A-2T)
Michael 10.09 (3A-2T)
Jason 9.80 (3A-2T)
Nathan 9.49 (3A-2T-2T*)
Shoma 5.94 (3A-REP)
Patrick 5.41 (3A-REP)

Triple Axel
Yuzuru 11.78
Patrick 11.07
Boyang 10.21
Jason 10.07
Nam 9.50
Keiji 9.21
Misha 8.50
Michael 7.93
Nathan 7.49
Jinseo 7.49
Shoma 6.35
Han 6.07
Grant 5.50
Julian 5.50
Chih-I 5.50
Mark 5.50
June 2.90 (3A<)
Leslie 1.80 (3A<<)

 

[Art&Sport]

Nathan is more marketable than Evan Lysacek for sure. But I don't know how much. I don't know how to describe my concerns without getting political; I'll just say the atmosphere in the US is pretty strange right now.

You sound like you're speaking about Trump excuse for a President.

Why worry about getting political? The sport of figure skating has always been political. I guess it's when the politics go in favor of the skaters you happen to love, everything is copasetic and jim dandy. But when a remarkable young U.S. skater comes along to beat your faves at the Game of Quads, something is seriously out of whack.

The psychological nature of all these Nathan complaints is fascinating.

 

[4everchan]

In mourning for Mura's absence from Team Japan. --I thought Keiji was getting the hang of his nerves but he popped so many jumps this time. It's sad.

yeah... that too... mura was missed

 

[Silvia451]

Yuzu's FS brings me joy.

On the new "rivalry": Nathan can't beat a clean Yuzu. But Yuzu needs to skate clean to get the world title. Nothing new for him.
I admire Nathan for the mental strength, he has the determination of a champion (and jumps of course). He had a good chance to win and he didn't waste it like Patrick at gpf or olympics so..well done to him. I'm not a fan of his skating, Shoma is still my favourite teenager, but he has potential (even artistically). And he has time to grow.

Worlds are going to be interesting. Don"t forget about Javi, guys.

edit: aww that hug for Brian :luv17:

 

[xeyra]

i miss geek on ice too... i wonder if some of the negative comments she received for calling patrick the king are responsible for her vanishing... truly a great loss for the forum

Those amazing breakdowns on PCS and GOEs they posted would be great for this competition.

 

[beki]

You sound like you're speaking about Trump excuse for a President.

That actually is what I was referencing, not skating. But I was worried it would be against forum rules.

 

[WeakAnkles]

I guess. only because Jin Boyang's Quad Loop got downgraded. Two men did 5 quad attempts tonight. I guess you can count Yuzu as one who attempted 5 quads as well since he threw in a last minute quad toe + double toe, so had he laded the double Sal it would have been 5 quads as well.

Not taking anything away from Nathan, but that seems all his fans can concentrate on, is how many quads he landed. That's not saying much about his skating if that's all you can think of.

For a top skater, he really needs to beef up his PCS scores, because he has nothing to fall back on if his jumps are not with him on any particular day.

He is 17. He and his coaches have a game plan that involves concentrating on the jumps first. They have only just started this year to concentrate on the performance aspects that aren't strictly "elements." To say that "he has nothing to fall back on if his jumps are not with him on any particular day" is just about as big a case of sour grapes as I've ever seen on here.

Go back and look at his programs last year. Then go back and rewatch his programs at this 4CC event. The progress he has made in terms of performance is amazing. He doesn't strike me as a natural performer like a Plushenko or Hamilton. I would bet there isn't a hammy bone in his body. It is something that he is going to have to develop and -- whatdayaknow!--he is developing it.

It's a smart game plan. And it is working. Like gangbusters.

 

[Mrs. P]

You sound like you're speaking about Trump excuse for a President.

Why worry about getting political? The sport of figure skating has always been political. I guess it's when the politics go in favor of the skaters you happen to love, everything is copasetic and jim dandy. But when a remarkable young U.S. skater comes along to beat your faves at the Game of Quads, something is seriously out of whack.

The psychological nature of all these Nathan complaints is fascinating.

Wow, you totally missed the point, A&S.

I think what beki was referring to is the state of race relations in the U.S. It is a totally valid concern. Just look at what happened at the Grammy's last week. People of color still manage to be less marketable even if they're the most talented/skilled/charismatic.

That said, I think figure skating is a different realm and AAPI are all over figure skating and Michelle Kwan is a legend. I think Nathan will be plenty marketable.

 

[MaiKatze]

He is 17. He and his coaches have a game plan that involves concentrating on the jumps first. They have only just started this year to concentrate on the performance aspects that aren't strictly "elements." To say that "he has nothing to fall back on if his jumps are not with him on any particular day" is just about as big a case of sour grapes as I've ever seen on here.

Go back and look at his programs last year. Then go back and rewatch his programs at this 4CC event. The progress he has made in terms of performance is amazing. He doesn't strike me as a natural performer like a Plushenko or Hamilton. I would bet there isn't a hammy bone in his body. It is something that he is going to have to develop and -- whatdayaknow!--he is developing it.

It's a smart game plan. And it is working. Like gangbusters.

I hope for him that it will work, but look at (sorry to bring him up again) Boyang. If he starts to get better programs, more artistic stuff, the jumps probably won't come as easy anymore.

 

[KatGrace1925]

Those who say Nathan can't perform are underselling his short program and have probably never seen his exhibition this year. His exhibition takes his performance to another level I think they need to capture in his programs.

 

[friedbanana]

Wow, amazing and impressive skate from Yuzuru today. Great job thinking on the fly!

also, why pchiddy and han yan :sad21:

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

It's probably been explained throughout but those complaining about Hanyu's loss is total déjà from Chan beating him at Skate Canada. Hanyu made major errors that cost him a ton of points - in both the SP and FS - 19 points given up on the doubled salchows, a 4.62 3S omitted within the series. Then factor in that Nathan does harder quads in his SP, and one more quad than Hanyu - again two of those 4Z/4F were harder than Hanyu's quads attempted.

Moreover I did not like Hanyu's performance quality compared to the GPF for example - his arms were mechanical and sloppy and especially after the 4S pop and you could tell he was "thinking" through it to modify the layout accordingly. Still even with the loss it was a great FS with 4 quads landed which is a first for him. I, like others, also wonder why he still goes for the 4S when his 4T looks more reliable.

Nathan's got too wild for me towards the end like the adrenaline was really kicking in but I guess you have to go full tilt to pull off a 5-quad 2-triple axel FS. He thoroughly deserved the win especially looking at the math. I also liked his ChSt, the energy in his final StSq and it was a nice fluid contrast to the jump fest preceding it.

I also think even with tough content Chen is making more and more of an effort to improve the performance each time. He knew himself that jumps wouldn't be enough and he had me sold.

 

[Violet Bliss]

I hope they are not hyping Nathan like crazy after this.

Why won't they when they finally have a genuine Worlds and Olympic gold contender since Kwan?

Haven't you noticed these commercials yet? Of course their hyping him. He's going to be the face of the US Olympic promotions. That started the moment he landed that 4S in nationals.

At least Nathan is hype worthy and may be the reviver of figure skating in the US.

 

[Mrs. P]

In mourning for Mura's absence from Team Japan. --I thought Keiji was getting the hang of his nerves but he popped so many jumps this time. It's sad.

Yeah, I missed Mura too. I cannot believe Keiji popped again, I was sad too. Also sad for Han. I was hoping 4CC could be some sort of comeback for half of the JGPF class of 2011. Maybe next season with Josh in the mix.