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Patrick Chan

NoNameFace

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NNF : very nice post, and a beautiful description of Patrick's skating. As a musician I am drawn particularly to Patrick's skating because his body embraces and lives every note... he is so fluid in his movement, like sound. A rare artist.. a poet on the ice. Or like Marina says : Patrick is the artwork... a living artwork

hello:ghug: and thanks as always for Your kind words :)

I think that with musicality so close translated and related to movement expression like Patrick has, it is both a blessing and a challenge. Blessing - because it's easier to present movement/music relation in skating and achieve that much-sought harmony, which then has influence on viewers' impression, Patrick is excellent on that: coordinating his whole body movement (not only legs and his marvellous edge work, but also hands, head...) under choreography and music, not making them look smaller/less relevant, but complimentary and organic together with his body work. But this wonderful kind of complex musicality/movement is also a challenge, especially for chorographers I think - to come up with piece, a series of movement highlighting Patrick's way of movement, musicality, skill, edge work quality and incorporate all this within choreography and actual program.

There's a depth in Patrick's skating too, aside of these all obvious qualities. It's that sense of nostalgia, melancholy, lyricism so rare to witness I deeply connect with. The way his movement translates every note of music, every feel of it is just beyond amazing. The one thing usually is to have a skill, technical prowess, another is being a showman, a great interpreter of music, having great flexibility or speed...And in Patrick's case a lot of these qualities are mingled and presented as a whole, exquisite package.
 

Crossover

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Happy St. Patrick's Day !!:biggrin:

You beat me to it. I was going to say this because the day has the name Patrick! Though the real name of St. Patrick's of Ireland is surprisingly not Patrick. :)

I hope our Patrick enjoys Guinness today. I see your great color sense picking the emoticon in green. :biggrin:
 

skatingfan4ever

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guys:ghug::ghug::ghug:!!!

regarding last year, it was also a year of re-discovery of figure skating of some sorts and getting newly inspired with it. And it was due to those latest returns to competition, like Patrick's, Mao's or Tessa and Scott's, Carolina's...I've never realized how much I missed this kind of mature complexity about skating until I saw it again on ice. I value so much their timeless quality and skill presented, their presentation abilities, they way they can connect with me so deeply. Of course - I feel sad every time they have problems on ice and being not satisfied with themselves - I grew to understand that winning is not the only aim, despite popular belief. It's the journey leading to this even more important, the thrill of competition, creating new programs, performing and giving joy and inspiration to other people.

I grew to appreciate also a performance instead of just skating, even the most clean and technically perfect. Hence a lot of my posts, maybe not very detailed technically, not knowledgeable enough for some very skilled posters there I admire for their passion, dedication and broad knowledge, but they're touching subjects, skaters, performances that inspires me to think, to feel and then write. I'm personally glad that there are a lot of people there who enjoy various skaters - not only favourites, constant winners - for what they produce, how they personalities, maturity and experience are shining through their skating, and that those people are showing their passion, admiration for these skaters, but also for figure skating in general, regardless of its controversies and things we don't like.

I grew to appreciate constructive discussions here, constructive critic posted, both voiced in cultural, professional way, even if I'm not in agreement with some posters. At the same time, I grew to realize that I'll never be in the same page with everyone here and it is pointless to get into rows over things that sparks only anger and negativity - instead, I found courage to channel my feelings in a form of my posts and voice loudly things, skaters, performances I truly find inspirational and moving.

And regarding Patrick himself - I went really long road to appreciate his skating and skill so prominent in it, his style, natural way of moving, expressing and feeling the music, treating his body like a fine instrument to express music, emotions through movement. He could be not the loudest performer, but his skating resonates deeply, with this lyrical, nostalgic and soft melancholy way. It feels great to have my eyes open for such experiences like Patrick's skating, even when he's not winning.

ETA - and 4everchan - yeah. I'll keep visiting You there and in State of Canadian Skating too, too much goodie things to cherish:cheer:, You won't get rid of me so quickly :laugh:

hello:ghug: and thanks as always for Your kind words :)

I think that with musicality so close translated and related to movement expression like Patrick has, it is both a blessing and a challenge. Blessing - because it's easier to present movement/music relation in skating and achieve that much-sought harmony, which then has influence on viewers' impression, Patrick is excellent on that: coordinating his whole body movement (not only legs and his marvellous edge work, but also hands, head...) under choreography and music, not making them look smaller/less relevant, but complimentary and organic together with his body work. But this wonderful kind of complex musicality/movement is also a challenge, especially for chorographers I think - to come up with piece, a series of movement highlighting Patrick's way of movement, musicality, skill, edge work quality and incorporate all this within choreography and actual program.

There's a depth in Patrick's skating too, aside of these all obvious qualities. It's that sense of nostalgia, melancholy, lyricism so rare to witness I deeply connect with. The way his movement translates every note of music, every feel of it is just beyond amazing. The one thing usually is to have a skill, technical prowess, another is being a showman, a great interpreter of music, having great flexibility or speed. And in Patrick's case a lot of these qualities are mingled and presented as a whole, exquisite package.
Thank you for these posts, and especially the stuff in bold!!! :2thumbs: So many people have said over the years that Patrick is "not expressive enough" (I think because of lack of facial expressions). I disagree and always have. Patrick is expressive, just in a different, less obvious way. You have to "pay attention" in order to take in Patrick's expressiveness and artistry. I love how Patrick uses his body as an instrument to express the music.

I love how you expressed the reasons to keep competing other than winning - the journey and all that it includes. :agree:

I also have come to the same conclusions as you did about the negativity on the Forum. I hang out mostly in the Fan Fests for exactly this reason. :rock:
 

NoNameFace

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Thank you for these posts, and especially the stuff in bold!!! :2thumbs: So many people have said over the years that Patrick is "not expressive enough" (I think because of lack of facial expressions). I disagree and always have. Patrick is expressive, just in a different, less obvious way. You have to "pay attention" in order to take in Patrick's expressiveness and artistry. I love how Patrick uses his body as an instrument to express the music.

I love how you expressed the reasons to keep competing other than winning - the journey and all that it includes. :agree:

I also have come to the same conclusions as you did about the negativity on the Forum. I hang out mostly in the Fan Fests for exactly this reason. :rock:

hi skatingfan4ever:):ghug:

thank You a lot for Your appreciation, I just have to say that watching skaters like Patrick - spirited, mature competitors with their own style and way of expressing - inspires me every day to write here.

About being expressive enough...That's a large subject, and a very subjective one, marred with personal projecting too much I'd say. The term 'expressive' alone is very broad, multi-dimentional and depends on a lot of factors, especially in sport like figure skating, consisting of movement, music, styling, choreography, technical elements. There are some more or less exuberant skaters out there as for their personality, but the key for me is to match your personality to the music and program to achieve that ideal, balanced expression and flow getting out of the whole package. So for me, there is no thing like 'expressive more or less', 'expressionless' - it's more like being expressive enough or in appropriate way. Patrick - being an exquisite lyricist and interpreter of classical music, the feel of it - achieved that optimal level of expressing this kind of music/programs, addressing both musicality and movement, not losing a personal touch to it which is very rare and kind of masterful. But yeah - lots of people have only one single ideal 'being expressive' definition and image, associated usually with their favourite skater and then measure by it other competitors wich is really pointless to be honest. Every skater is one of a kind, they of course can be influenced by others' style, but as they progress further, they become individual kind of performers, with way and level of expression measured only by them. Wish people would give more chances instead of putting skaters in certain boxes from the very beginning...but patience and consideration are kind of items in heavy deficit these days:)

For me personally, being a fan of Patrick and his skating is easy - especially right now, when he's already achieved so much and now I can purely enjoy his fully developed skill and performance maestry and observe his journey of discovery with new stuff he's doing. It's kind of fascinating to see those mature skaters still in competitions as they are truly unmatched especially in terms of aforesaid expression level and complexity of skill presented. I wish more people were not so 'sensitive' over skater's age, but see them all as competitors instead of seeing only contenders as those who are the most valuable ones, but I guess that's the way some people view figure skating as...Another impression on that topic I recently have is that a lot of people see only an antagonistic, 'all or nothing' rivarly instead of healthy, multi-dimensional competition consisting of different things from different skaters - it is totally out of my understanding how depreciating, belittling one skater (usually being a serious medals contender) can help other's favourite...It's just a real waste of energy and a real regress in that sport.

I feel like competitors, a competition, especially between excellent skaters, teams on so many different levels is one of the greatest things in the sport, hence e.g. my true joy of seeing again Patrick or Tessa and Scott. Lots of people did not give them any chance to be back on top form and challenge current World Champions and they surprised them, responding the best way they could, with confidence and winning strike. I think that their return enriched the discipline by their masterful skill and presence and should be appreciated on par with other top Ice Dance teams - winning or not - as they all bring different kinds of awesomeness, one not worse than another, just different.
 

vivley

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hi skatingfan4ever:):ghug:

thank You a lot for Your appreciation, I just have to say that watching skaters like Patrick - spirited, mature competitors with their own style and way of expressing - inspires me every day to write here.

You've written some great comments here! :agree: Would you like to write a guest blog post for my fan site?






And here's another photo that's perfect for... a Sunday morning, of course!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BRqiu5Zj7Ux/

Hope you all are having a great weekend!
 

NoNameFace

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You've written some great comments here! :agree: Would you like to write a guest blog post for my fan site?

hi vivley:), I'm pretty shocked myself about Your question and flattered by it, believe me as usually I see only a sea of 'word vomit' afterwards after posting :laugh:, it would be the first time someone asked me to write a guest post on her/his blog and I'm quite positive about the idea, just please send me a PM and we'll try to figure something out :)
 

vivley

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hi vivley:), I'm pretty shocked myself about Your question and flattered by it, believe me as usually I see only a sea of 'word vomit' afterwards after posting :laugh:, it would be the first time someone asked me to write a guest post on her/his blog and I'm quite positive about the idea, just please send me a PM and we'll try to figure something out :)

Sure, I'll send you a message. I welcome any fans here who want to guest post to do so! :agree:






Yesterday, Patrick had posted an announcement about the Rideau Canal:

https://twitter.com/Pchiddy/status/843185886246420480

My guess is that we'll see him there in December!
 

blueberryhill

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okay... i spilled the beans in another thread...

i have a new avatar ;) thanks blueberryhill

(in bigger)
I'm so glad you thought of using this as an avatar. Much better than my other suggestion. ;)

I thought your quote in the other thread was so beautiful that with your permission I'd like to bring it in here.

I think that the avatar goes beyond this as we can see a lot of magical creatures or phenoms, like the rainbow, the leprechaun, the unicorn and PChiddy... I guess this photo is timed well with the St. Patrick's celebrations... Btw : the unicorn is just running freely, and unconquered ;)let's focus on the beauty of magic

yes, no matter what, let's just focus on the beauty of the magic - that is the skating of Patrick! :clapper::love:
 

NoNameFace

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that's why patrick is in the picture ;) otherwise i am sure we could have put a mermaid or tinkerbell...

patrick's magical skating !!!!!

quite an avatar it is, there is that 'complexity' and 'uniqueness' of Patrick's skating enclosed in it I'd say :), certainly a bold and 'loud' statement, magical things including Patrick and his skating
 

deedee1

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okay... i spilled the beans in another thread...

i have a new avatar ;) thanks blueberryhill

(in bigger)

Loved it! :luv17:

Good luck to Patrick at the upcoming Worlds in Helsinki! :hap10::hap10:
And with Kevin it's doable to bring Canada the third spot for the Oly Games. Fingers crossed. :yes:

Personally wouldn't mind at all if he's to win this one! :) And would be very very nice if he can escort our little Shoma onto the podium. ;)
 

4everchan

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quite an avatar it is, there is that 'complexity' and 'uniqueness' of Patrick's skating enclosed in it I'd say :), certainly a bold and 'loud' statement, magical things including Patrick and his skating

yup... bold and loud ;) that's me :) hahahahaha

but bolder and louder is Patrick's magic !
 

4everchan

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Loved it! :luv17:

Good luck to Patrick at the upcoming Worlds in Helsinki! :hap10::hap10:
And with Kevin it's doable to bring Canada the third spot for the Oly Games. Fingers crossed. :yes:

Personally wouldn't mind at all if he's to win this one! :) And would be very very nice if he can escort our little Shoma onto the podium. ;)

Honestly, as I like both Patrick and Shoma, I'd be happy with that ;) but i just wish for Patrick to skate well... medals don't matter and if he is going to get a medal, let it be at the Olympics next year rather than at worlds this year :) if the skating gods are granting us two medals for Patrick... then fine :) hahah go go go!!!!!

for the 3 spots... ouf... it will be tough.... Kevin wasn't really good at 4CC with his rotations.... I hope he has had time to fix that over the weeks. When he is on, he is exciting to watch!!!!
 
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