2017 Worlds Free Dance

[WeakAnkles]

oh la la gabriella and guillaume!!

so happy that this fd that so many dislike got a world record. you were the best tonight. thank you thank you. when i saw the tes score didn't believe it.

H/D too bad they were space for them.

W/P 4th!!!! bravo

now i knew that even if V/M made mistake the french will be second because of the sd score. but the score they got really? 116 with mistake. no
didier was pissed at french tv.

it seems that if you are virtue and moir you can:

- fall and not lose point
- have not perfect twizzles can get a level 4
-make mistake ang get 58 in tes
-make mistake and get 116

and the best (to me the worst) thing is that everyone is fine with it.

i'm not bitter or angry or a bad loser and the last thing i want it's to be mean. but don't want that to happen next year at olympic game!!! please please. that's all ;

We could do the same kind of nitpicking about P/C's SD. It's not as egregious an overscore as the PD of the past, but still...

That's ID for ya.

 

[medvedevasocks]

I think it's less about W/P being Canada 3 (in bobsled terms) but rather that Piper and Paul are more likely to be continuing than W/P. With V/M and W/P gone G/P are our best team. They are probably trying to set them up to take over the Canada 1 sled for 2019. Skate Canada has to think ahead. G/P have more potential right now if they are staying in.

IMO Gilles & Poirier will never be world medalists. You know Papadakis & Cizeron and Shibutanis are continuing past 2018 (if the Shibutanis prove me wrong and retire, and I dont have to endure another 4 years of their overscoring and boring skating after already dealing with the past 7 I will be in bliss, but I dont suspect that) and Gilles & Poirier will never beat either of those teams. So that leaves best case scenario a bronze for a year or two if they somehow manage to beat everyone else, barring me being wrong on the Shibutanis continuing in which case disregard my whole post as they will atleast have a shot for a couple years of podium then.

Beyond that Stepanova & Bukin will probably overtake them them soon, maybe next season, and if not 100% or sure when they are Russian #1 in 2018-2019 even if G&P are also Canadian #1. I actually enjoy watching G&P to S&B, but S&B are more talented overall, have more potential, are considerably younger, and seem to be improving faster. Russian fed also > Canadian fed, atleast in dance. Hubbell & Donohue or Chock & Bates might continue, maybe even both. Both are young enough to easily, and I dont see ever them on the podium at next years Games either. Both of those teams are likely (not certain but likely) to be over Gilles & Poirier as long as they continue to. Then there are some up and comers who are just coming out of juniors now and next season, and others who will come.

Add to all that I wouldnt be surprised if Weaver & Poje do continue especialy after their stint as Canadian #1 was wrecked this quad by V&M's return. V&M will definitely be done (again) after 2018 so could see W&P maybe continue, especialy if they sense they can continue to stay over Gilles & Poirier inspite of Skate Canada's long standing love affair with Paul Poirier.

 

[rain]

oh la la gabriella and guillaume!!

so happy that this fd that so many dislike got a world record. you were the best tonight. thank you thank you. when i saw the tes score didn't believe it.

H/D too bad they were space for them.

W/P 4th!!!! bravo

now i knew that even if V/M made mistake the french will be second because of the sd score. but the score they got really? 116 with mistake. no
didier was pissed at french tv.

it seems that if you are virtue and moir you can:

- fall and not lose point
- have not perfect twizzles can get a level 4
-make mistake ang get 58 in tes
-make mistake and get 116

and the best (to me the worst) thing is that everyone is fine with it.

i'm not bitter or angry or a bad loser and the last thing i want it's to be mean. but don't want that to happen next year at olympic game!!! please please. that's all ;

You know that this post makes you sound like all of these things, right?

 

[Ares]

Oh C/B, that mistake on the twizzles just cost you any chance at the bronze.

It's a shame that the judges never really warmed to this program. I'll miss seeing it.

It's a different world when Maddy is the more secure twizzler...

I will not miss Chock / Bates Free Dance ... that music is not a good fit for dancing.

 

[ancientpeas]

because the mistake happened where it did, some judges considered the steps were done and they didn't remove points, others did remove plenty of points when considering the misstep was in the sequence. I am not surprised to see disagreement here from judges not punishing at all, an others removing various amount of GOE

To be honest they should, imo, have been punished more for that fall and I think they even knew it. They won be 2 and half total points. I would have thought dropping them 2 more points would have been fair. They still would have won.

Mostly I'm sad for W/P. I think they were the ones who got the short end of the stick in the marks.

 

[Skater Boy]

I said the Shibs locked up their spot on the Olympic team "in the team event." This is important because in the last Olympics, the Shibs did not get to skate in the team event and missed an easy bronze.

If H/D had gotten the bronze here, the shake-up in rankings would've made the situation more interesting. Now, S/S is guaranteed, whether C/B get a spot depends on the whole team strategy and where they choose to use the substitutions.

Well I don't think the shibsibs are guaranteed a skate in the team event. It is a long new season.

I think weapo guaranteed moreso they are no. 2 in Canada.

lots of changes in the final results. Kind of nice I suppose.

 

[SnowWhite]

So, was Scott's mistake on the Circular Step Sequence? Because the GOE on that is all over the place, -2 to 3.

Jackie Wong said this: Virtue/Moir JUST closed the circle on the step sequence before Moir tripped, judges can go either way with GOEs there #WorldFigure

 

[Anyasnake]

V/M and P/C have the same base value. PCS (slightly) higher for P/C

One thing that surprised me : Scott skating seemed more flat than usual after the fall... I guess I can be distracting but you could really notice it. I know they have that fire to win but they shouldn't let it get your head like that... for what it's worth I wouldn't have gave them 116 to be honest, if it were ANY other team, this forum would have gone on fire ^^

 

[nolangoh]

Im sure Hubbell/Donohue will come back strong next season, every Worlds medalist had a terrible preceding season (like Shoma and Anna), if this is the time they fall, next season will be the seasons they rise. Keep going guys :agree:

 

[WeakAnkles]

I will not miss Chock / Bates Free Dance ... that music is not a good fit for dancing.

It's not the music; it's the mix of it. It never created what most FDs need: momentum.

But I give them credit for not going the mush route this year. Big credit. Bless them.

 

[ancientpeas]

IMO Gilles & Poirier will never be world medalists. You know Papadakis & Cizeron and Shibutanis are continuing past 2018 (if the Shibutanis prove me wrong and retire, and I dont have to endure another 4 years of their overscoring and boring skating after already dealing with the past 7 I will be in bliss, but I dont suspect that) and Gilles & Poirier will never beat either of those teams. So that leaves best case scenario a bronze for a year or two if they somehow manage to beat everyone else, barring me being wrong on the Shibutanis continuing in which case disregard my whole post as they will atleast have a shot for a couple years of podium then.

Beyond that Stepanova & Bukin will probably overtake them them soon, maybe next season, and if not 100% or sure when they are Russian #1 in 2018-2019 even if G&P are also Canadian #1. I actually enjoy watching G&P to S&B, but S&B are more talented overall, have more potential, are considerably younger, and seem to be improving faster. Russian fed also > Canadian fed, atleast in dance. Hubbell & Donohue or Chock & Bates might continue, maybe even both. Both are young enough to easily, and I dont see ever them on the podium at next years Games either. Both of those teams are likely (not certain but likely) to be over Gilles & Poirier as long as they continue to. Then there are some up and comers who are just coming out of juniors now and next season, and others who will come.

Add to all that I wouldnt be surprised if Weaver & Poje do continue especialy after their stint as Canadian #1 was wrecked this quad by V&M's return. V&M will definitely be done (again) after 2018 so could see W&P maybe continue, especialy if they sense they can continue to stay over Gilles & Poirier inspite of Skate Canada's long standing love affair with Paul Poirier.

But you need to look at Skate Canada's position. G/P are clearly the next best team we have after V/M and W/P. I see why they might be looking to get them ready now.

 

[medvedevasocks]

Well I don't think the shibsibs are guaranteed a skate in the team event. It is a long new season.

I think weapo guaranteed moreso they are no. 2 in Canada.

lots of changes in the final results. Kind of nice I suppose.

W&P arent guaranteed for the simple reason V&M might choose to skate both programs as they did in 2014. If Canada uses 2 teams, yes W&P will get to skate in the Team Event. Their 4th place finish here should make them safe as Canadian #2 for next season too.

 

[snd]

maia and alex were set up for being robbed of a medal with that ridiculous score. if that skate was 110 then the french fd was no more than 112 (not the whopping 119 it got. jesus). thank god maia and alex did get the medal they deserved. though it could have been, perhaps, a better medal than the eventual bronze. anna and luca aren't really slow (common criticism) and they skated with great abandon - there's a reason why the crowd loves them. they were great. bobrova and soloviev began their fd with great feeling, i thought - lovely elements and everything but the end was pretty awful.

felt so bad for chock and bates. was hoping for a podium finish for them with these great programs they had this season...

weaver and poje - they were unbearably boring.

the shibs and the italians were the best in my opinion, though the french deserved to win. it's hard to admit this because i don't like them and think they stole the gold from w/p in 2015 and the shibs in 2016 but whatever. they lost the gold that was rightfully theirs today.

edit: oh, there's some funny talk in this thread. g/p are never going to best the shibs? well, my dear simpletons, g/p HAVE beaten the shibs as recently as the 2015&16 season. true story. g/p have had those rare moments when they weren't undeservedly underscored, though these have been rare, i admit.

edit2: v/m shouldn't have won, of course, and i like them less than the shibs, g/p and c/b, but man, they were the only pair that actually skated as a pair - not just two individuals in matching costumes. at least that's how it was there in the arena. v/m are a pair and the shibs are two otherworldly, ethereal angels.

 

[rosacotton]

Wow. That was unexpectedly painful on so many levels. :sad21:

Congratulations to all the medalists. :cool14:

Yay for Spain getting an Olympic spot and the US keeping 3 spots! :cool2:

Hope everyone comes back strong next season!

 

[Anyasnake]

And we have to face reality here : I felt like WeaPo were held down for B/S to be higher in the ranks... but at the end they should have got the bronze. I am really disappointed.

 

[medvedevasocks]

But you need to look at Skate Canada's position. G/P are clearly the next best team we have after V/M and W/P. I see why they might be looking to get them ready now.

I see your point, but I think that is unfair and flawed thinking when W&P could still be in contention for medals today even as Canadian #2 with more CSA support. Just look here, if the fed had not completely dumped them in favor of V&M and to push for scores for the Canadian #3 but politically #2 Gilles & Poirier they would have gotten the bronze here, even with the typical gross overscoring of both the Shibutanis and Bobrova & Soloviev. So they are wasting potential medals now for potential future medals which are even less likely to happen than W&P getting on the podium today, even as Canadian #2, is.

 

[TT_Fin]

I am not a big fun of the French, but what did the V/M do to get the scores so close? One big mistake and a few small while I did not see the French couple to make any mistakes. Even they twizzles has not been so good earlier. Great timing. I said before I don't understand Ice dancing. I still do not. On earlier years the situations were decided in front hand. And what has changed? Sometimes a few formal changes to keep people pleased. No, I do not understand it yet either. Maybe I should have stayed and see it live.

Anyway, nice to see there was people in the audience. Of course it Saturday, free from work and school and maybe there were last minute ticket buyers. Maybe they have had a last minute sale.

 

[4everchan]

Jackie Wong said this: Virtue/Moir JUST closed the circle on the step sequence before Moir tripped, judges can go either way with GOEs there #WorldFigure

yup without being an expert, that's what i thought too.. it was a transition not in the middle of the element

 

[Ares]

OMG shibsibs must be in shock about their teammates. And poor Weapo once again loses a major medal by inches. A bit surprised the Shibsibs barely won bronze. Disapointing for V and M freeskate but hopefully that will make them work harder. P/C must feel confident. Oh the fall from grace for H/D so close then wham they closed the gap with the second Russian team inching closer to the almight top 9. 3 to 9th and now maybe 10th are really interchangeable. One would expect Chock and Bates and the Shibsibs to be the political and skating leaders for bronze but really I don't know. I think Weapo need to find a new coach and get a great vehicle because for the first time I realized they are really good skaters - j ust need the right vehicle. I am not sold on C/L; i feel I see and done that. The Russians B/S have stagnated but I do see potential - again they need their levels (a Russian issue? and the right vehicle.

Why do you want Weaver / Poje to change their coach? They just made a change - from Krylova to Morozov ...

 

[slider11]

Ben Agosto made an interesting comment about Bobrova and Soliev's skating skills. He mentioned that their bent at the waist and forward shoulders are not considered proper skating posture and therefore should be reflected in their skating marks. They certainly have gotten the Russian drama down but I am just not feeling the top 3 FD marks.