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I am not sure I explained clearly what I mean but on the contrary, I believe that headcase skaters come from something else... it comes from performance anxiety relating to focusing on results rather than process, so yes, in that sense, focus on every detail of a program will lead to failure since as soon as something isn't perfect, headcasing will occur...

but that's not what I am suggesting here... I am suggesting an awareness of the time present rather than thinking about what the performances will mean in the scope of Patrick's career... he certainly doesn't need to put pressure on himself to reach perfect performances here BECAUSE it's his last game. I believe taking one element at a time is a better approach, being in the present and embracing his time on the ice rather than the "omg... this is my last time at the games... i must do well"

that's to me the way to stress and headcase when a performer thinks ahead of himself and thinks about the "posterity" of his performances.


So for us, musicians, and keep in mind that when I mentioned step step step... i don't mean that the skater will over analyze every cross over... and musicians also rely on muscle memory and training... keep in mind that we memorize recitals that can be 2 hours long... not 4 minutes... and that they comprise many more "elements" than a figure skater simply because while a skater takes x amount of time to do a step, a pianist will have time to do perhaps 10 movements... fingers on the keyboard move faster than feet on the ice... that's just a given....

so nope... we don't freak out about the million gestures our body will go through during a recital nor do we focus on everyone of them... and i am not saying a skater needs to do that either.

My point is more about going from one element to the other, being in the present moment and NOT in the head thinking about the consequences of the skate or its finality as being the last competitive skate. This is why I am not agreeing about him thinking about it being a swansong.... I mean some skaters refuse to even say it's their final season just for that reason.

Finally, Patrick (and Gabby if I am not mistaken), have both said in different interviews that when they perform well is when they are able to focus on one element after the other, remaining in the present. So, that's what I meant here....

I don't believe at all in shutting one's brain and only rely on muscle memory. The first thing we deal with when working on performance anxiety is exactly that... the comments like 'omg... it went so fast, i don't remember how anything went, I relied only on my training" well... there is only ONE way for this to succeed and that's when a performance goes without any trouble whatsoever. How many times have we seen clean performances lately? and i am not talking just about Patrick? The men are risking a lot more with all the quads and the intricate choreography. They need to be aware of the present and not blank out and rely only on muscle memory...

Anyways... that's how I see things.
I was simply explaining how it works in the skating world. YMMV.
4everchan, this NBC video could be one of the interviews you mean:"My goal was to come in and approach this event, one step a time, one jump a time, and just enjoy the rest." "I just stay focused on doing 1st quad, and 2nd quad, and having fun, and learning how to pace myself through the program." (11:30 / 12:00)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeruOeYMDSE

I understand this but you have to understand that sometimes what comes out of a skaters mouth in an interview isn't always the real gameplan. This is done for multiple reasons. Just saying. :shrug:
 
Perhaps "story" was the wrong word/concept here. Let's take a program that we know was quite meaningful and successful for Patrick. Do you think he was thinking about Eric and their friendship while he was skating A Journey? I thought he said so, but I could be wrong. Perhaps thinking about Eric was the motivation to learn the program and train it every day, fine-tuning all its details, but when he was actually in competition he wasn't thinking about any of that. In which case these "stories" (not the right word, but I can't think of a better one) are for training purposes only? So, the emotion during competition comes from the choreography itself and not from the intrinsic feeling of the skater during the the program? Patrick did explain once that when he's in the zone, he's focusing on his body position, where he's putting the blade, and his breathing.

That makes sense for a skater like Patrick, but what about a skater like Ashley Wagner? She thrives on portraying a "story" rather overtly in her programs. She specifically portrayed Satine in her Moulin Rouge LP and said she related to Satine a lot (proving people wrong, the show must go on, etc). Did she not "feel" like Satine during the competition (inasmuch as fans can guess)? She certainly showed passion during that program. While we're on the topic, what do you think when people say a skater doesn't skate with emotion? If all the emotion comes from the choreography, what differentiates the bland programs from the emotional ones?

I do not need any explanation for Patrick's programs (certainly nothing like what the commentators gave for Evgenia EVERY TIME last season with the 9/11 movie :noshake:). But I still would like to know why these songs were chosen and what, if anything, will inspire Patrick to skate them well. Thanks as always for sharing your perspective. It's always a good read. :)

well I highlighted something important in your post. That's what I was referring to as well in my post when I said, we focus on where we put our fingers.

Emotion is tricky. And yes, there are different kinds of performers and performances.

I can try to answer but I am not a skater and if pianists share a lot with skaters, for instance, when we learn a new piece (program) we refer to it as learning choreography (of the fingers, wrists, arms, feet for pedals etc) I even include in my choreography, a precise spot for turning a page when I work with the score... :) sometimes it's even written down "TURN HERE" haha

In any case, your post connects to my previous post of gloom about the pieces chosen. Patrick said he didn't want to get involved and let his team find the music. He likes the pieces... so that's great ;) but I do not think that there is much associated with them, at least not now. He talked as if he didn't know Dust in the Wind and of course he knows Cohen but in the interview, what he had to say about the music was minimal...

So in this case, I could compare it to having to perform a piece for a show for which I was hired, without having personally chosen the music...
Loving it or not at first audition doesn't matter because an artist, even if we all have our preferences, will end up caring and loving the piece they are performing.

In that sense, I think that the parallel can be drawn with a skater... Patrick will end up loving these programs simply because of all of the process, the work, the sweat and unfortunately the bruises they may bring.

Regarding the emotion of the piece... I believe that Patrick is an instinctive performer when it comes to music. His body just knows how to connect and portray emotion without anything superfluous. In that sense, both pieces are lyrical and have sweeping phrases that will allow Patrick to physically feel the emotion of the music while he skates. From there, with of course, the choreography, the training, etc, we, the audience will get the message.

For another skater it may be different or for another type of program, it may different. For instance, Patrick in Moondance has some story line here... and even a prop....

However, in his competitive programs, Patrick has stayed far from pantomime and character portrayal. (YAY) And, I suspect that it will be the same with these two songs... I cannot see him doing them differently.

So how is emotion portray? A performer knows what a piece of music is about...music is that powerful. No need for lyrics. Music has its own emotional content and to some extent, the music will give the audience some emotions, whether or not the skater does.

What is interesting is to see if what the skater does on the ice is in line with the emotion of a piece. And in that sense, Patrick's instinctive musicality on the blades shows off.

Does he work on emotions while training? I don't know. What I can tell you is that a musician's goal is to transfer the emotion to the audience without burdening its own body with it... for instance, if a piece gets intense, the last thing I want is to tense up physically. I need to remain cool and collected, and let the music get through me to the audience. I would think that a skater would act in a similar way as tensing up when a piece or a program is intense would compromise their technique and flow.

Finally, not everyone is instinctive or work the same way. I have students to whom I create storylines for their pieces to get them to understand the emotional content of a piece, so that they can reach out to the audience, while some others just get it naturally.

In the end, on the concert stage, both kinds of performers are usually prepared enough to simply focus on putting their fingers and feet on the right place and let the music speak for itself.

I realise that figure skating is closer to dance than performing music as we "create the music" and of course, the skaters " move to the music" so I am sure other people have other ways to express what I have described or disagree with my own experience of music...
 
I was simply explaining how it works in the skating world. YMMV.


I understand this but you have to understand that sometimes what comes out of a skaters mouth in an interview isn't always the real gameplan. This is done for multiple reasons. Just saying. :shrug:

so why don't you tell us what a skater goes through then while on the ice performing a program? :thank:
 
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never mind... i was just inviting you to share some examples from your own experience or that of colleagues...just like I have done from my own world. I know things vary between skating and other performance sports or arts but if one is simply going to "no it doesn't work like this" after others have taken a lot of time expressing concerns, sharing ideas and so on, one can expect to being asked for elaboration.

One thing that frightens me in Patrick's interview is when he mentions the "tribute to Cohen, being Canadian" ... well that's exactly the kind of storyline that can lead to disaster as one can feel that only a perfect performance can qualify as a true tribute. I have dedicated a entire recital in the memory of my father... and it was a very bad experience.... too many emotions. Later on, when I performed Adios Nonino, which I picked for similar reasons, I didn't tell anyone, not even my mentor, that I had picked it for that reason... I simply said, I always wanted to play Piazzolla... no pressure.. no mind games..

If ever Patrick or his entourage read this : don't try to make a tribute to Leonard Cohen in a competitive program... just do it on a show... make it formal if you really cared and loved the great poet... announce it then...

I disliked the whole " I want to be the first Canadian to win Gold at the Olympics..." for the same reasons... as soon as you are making one mistake, you are out of your mindset... out of the zone...

We have seen it happen, we don't need it another time.
 
never mind... i was just inviting you to share some examples from your own experience or that of colleagues...just like I have done from my own world. I know things varies between skating and other performance sports or arts but if one is simply going to "no it doesn't work like this" after others have taken a lot of time expressing concerns, sharing ideas and so on, one can expect to being asked for elaboration.

One thing that frightens me in Patrick's interview is when he mentions the "tribute to Cohen, being Canadian" ... well that's exactly the kind of storyline that can lead to disaster as one can feel that only a perfect performance can qualify as a true tribute. I have dedicated a entire recital in the memory of my father... and it was a very bad experience.... too many emotions. Later on, when I performed Adios Nonino, which I picked for similar reasons, I didn't tell anyone, not even my mentor, that I had picked it for that reason... I simply said, I always wanted to play Piazzolla... no pressure.. no mind games..

If ever Patrick or his entourage read this : don't try to make a tribute to Leonard Cohen in a competitive program... just do it on a show... make it formal if you really cared and loved the great poet... announce it then...

I disliked the whole " I want to be the first Canadian to win Gold at the Olympics..." for the same reasons... as soon as you are making one mistake, you are out of your mindset... out of the zone...

We have seen it happen, we don't need it another time.

I understand. I've elaborated as much as I safely can back in post #10116. I'm not at a place in life right now where I really want to go back to what went on in my head whilst I competed, and it's not my place to tell you what's going on in other skaters heads, it's a very personal thing. I hope you can understand and respect that.
 
I understand. I've elaborated as much as I safely can back in post #10116. I'm not at a place in life right now where I really want to go back to what went on in my head whilst I competed, and it's not my place to tell you what's going on in other skaters heads, it's a very personal thing. I hope you can understand and respect that.

I never asked about details but modus operandi. Anyway, moving on. :)

GO PATRICK!
 
My little thought process about the music here yesterday sparked some strong discussion. "Storylines in Patrick's head" was not the right expression after all. Better phrasing would have been "how Patrick might connect with the music." Even more accurately, it's one way I can connect with the music in relation to Patrick's skating. I don't expect Patrick to have grandiose thoughts while skating competitive programs. In the competition, hopefully he's focused on getting his job done while expressing care for every detail of movement. What I typed about the possible meaning of each program was mostly me trying to figure out how to relate them to Patrick's skating. The choices were so unexpected. They're both so melancholy, especially together, but I badly want Patrick to wow us yet again. So actually my exploration had less to do with Patrick and more to do with me. I hope we fans can be okay with the programs and not have another MTK experience. Come on, Patrick, show us snippets of your programs to get us excited! Please? ;)

ETA: Do we know if he's going to do JO or a summer competition or a Senior B? I haven't heard anything. I know it's only August though.
 
My little thought process about the music here yesterday sparked some strong discussion. "Storylines in Patrick's head" was not the right expression after all. Better phrasing would have been "how Patrick might connect with the music." Even more accurately, it's one way I can connect with the music in relation to Patrick's skating. I don't expect Patrick to have grandiose thoughts while skating competitive programs. In the competition, hopefully he's focused on getting his job done while expressing care for every detail of movement. What I typed about the possible meaning of each program was mostly me trying to figure out how to relate them to Patrick's skating. The choices were so unexpected. They're both so melancholy, especially together, but I badly want Patrick to wow us yet again. So actually my exploration had less to do with Patrick and more to do with me. I hope we fans can be okay with the programs and not have another MTK experience. Come on, Patrick, show us snippets of your programs to get us excited! Please? ;)

ETA: Do we know if he's going to do JO or a summer competition or a Senior B? I haven't heard anything. I know it's only August though.

Hi skatingfan4ever, discussion is good. We can't always just swoon can we? HAHA

Japan Open : he is not going... this year the North American team is all from the USA... I think Patrick said last year that despite enjoying Japan Open, he preferred to go to Finlandia, as he would be able to present both of his programs there, while at J O, it's only the long.

However, in terms of summer competitions, we haven't seen him listed anywhere, and Mango who is our resident expert on all things Canadian, would have told me for sure if Chiddy was going anywhere.... we are both going to ACI, but the registration deadline for this is August 18th and last year, the entry list was released only a week or two before the event....

So... unless Skate Canada starts spilling the beans about seniors (they have started doing so about juniors), we won't know for about another month.

Another message to the universe : since I am disappointed with the program choices ;) I guess it would be best if I could see them live LOL :) the only way for that to happen for me is ACI... so get on with it Patrick ;) sending subliminal messages.... A C I .... A C IIIIIIII :)
 
Hi fellow fans, just wanted to stick my head in here after being away and then reading the interesting discussion above. The Chinese skaters announced their music and Boyang Jin is skating to "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" for his SP.

Crouching Tiger vs. Dust in the Wind should be a very interesting match up!


Those are three gorgeous pics!!! :love: And I :agree: with what you wrote about the 4F.

Glad to know I'm not the only one. Patrick did say that a lot of his strategy is now focused on recovery, so I hope he finds the best strategies available to recover from a 4F!


Another message to the universe : since I am disappointed with the program choices ;) I guess it would be best if I could see them live LOL :) the only way for that to happen for me is ACI... so get on with it Patrick ;) sending subliminal messages.... A C I .... A C IIIIIIII :)

May your wish be granted!

My dilemma is that when Patrick does skate in Japan at the NHK Trophy, the dates of that competition happen to be at the same time as a very important family event. So my apologies in advance, but that blog post will be delayed.


Let's just hope that if he makes any other public appearances that they are announced much more in advance than they have been! :agree:
 
looks like this could work for his SP outfit... and since Patrick doesn't seem to like shopping for clothes LOL...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BXMOZqgnF5E/?tagged=patrickchan

Lol, forgot to add that the shirt has a similar color scheme as his Journey LP costume. Look at the paisley stripe going down...

But for Dust in the Wind, will he wear something that has earth tone colors?

And for Hallelujah, will he wear black? That Jeff Buckley video was so dark...
 
Lol, forgot to add that the shirt has a similar color scheme as his Journey LP costume. Look at the paisley stripe going down...

But for Dust in the Wind, will he wear something that has earth tone colors?

And for Hallelujah, will he wear black? That Jeff Buckley video was so dark...
For Hallelujah, I hope it's NOT a black shirt. Maybe a darker shade of blue? A version of Alex Shibutani's FD shirt last season? That would be nice. For Dust in the Wind, I am picturing dark red/brown tones for the shirt, with black pants. (I liked the blue pants he wore for A Journey at GPF, but he went back to black for Nationals, Worlds, and WTT, so he really likes black pants, apparently). We've been wanting Patrick to wear red again for a long time now. ;)

OMG - such beautiful skating by Patrick in practice - watch the video!


https://www.instagram.com/p/BXWeJw_FiUk/


And then you'll be like :eeking: OR :scratch2: OR :rofl: !!!
Gorgeous until the toepick! :yes: What music is that though? The end of Hallelujah?
 
that's Hallelujah....

Patrick... I am the one who has to fall head over heels for your programs... not you....
 
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