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2018 US Championships Sr. Ladies FS

I think partially it is because for Athletics (Track and Field) and Swimming (which are more popular), the Olympic trials is All or Nothing. You could have won gold in your event at Worlds last year but if you are not top three at US trials, you will not be in the team.

Thus it would be assumed that the US Figure Skating Nationals in the Olympic Year (which is held every year and not once in four years) is the same as the Athletics and Swimming Olympic trials.

I remember watching Nationals years ago (probably 15+) and whatever network was showing it explained that Nationals were NOT The Olympic trails so USFS did not have to go with the finish order.

They also went on to explain something about the hosting of the event. If I remember correctly, Olympic trails are hosted by the Olympic committee whereas Nationals are hosted by USFS. Hmmm ... If these were Olymic trails, technically would there be National champion.

Until 2014, USFS went with finish order but the option was always put there before. I think the shift to "body of eork" has to do with the importance of the GP series. When did that start and when did it become so important? I think it was in the last 10 years which can begin to explain why years ago, we never skaters getting a jump from their body of work. There really was not one for the current season.
 
Oh Ashley... Olympic Nationals just aren't her thing. In 2010 only 2 people went, and she placed third. 2014 3 people, and she placed 4th, and again the same for 2018. And IIRC she was within ONE clean jump to move up a spot all those times.

I just don't see the committee helping her out this time. She's done nothing to set herself apart as the strongest US lady this time around. Not only that, but as a potential medalist like she was in 2014. Why would USFS create another controversy over her when she's not competitive internationally anymore and is probably a 8/9th place at best in SoKorea?

I liked her LLL program. Problem is I've never seen the movie so I really wanted to hear the vocals to understand what she's skating to but Tara was babbling all throughout. Very annoying.

She's the only U.S. woman to win a world medal in a decade, and is the only one likely to receive 70+ PCS at the games. There is a case for sending her, but you'd have to ignore this season, which will be hard for many (and perhaps the Fed) to do.
 
I remember watching Nationals years ago (probably 15+) and whatever network was showing it explained that Nationals were NOT The Olympic trails so USFS did not have to go with the finish order.

They also went on to explain something about the hosting of the event. If I remember correctly, Olympic trails are hosted by the Olympic committee whereas Nationals are hosted by USFS. Hmmm ... If these were Olymic trails, technically would there be National champion.

Until 2014, USFS went with finish order but the option was always put there before. I think the shift to "body of eork" has to do with the importance of the GP series. When did that start and when did it become so important? I think it was in the last 10 years which can begin to explain why years ago, we never skaters getting a jump from their body of work. There really was not one for the current season.

Following up on my previous comment. The GP series started in 1995 but it took awhile for it to rise in prominence. Anyone know how long that took.

I remember the Frank Carroll was not an advocate of the GP series since it took away from training time. I think that showed more his mentality that it was not a prominent series.
 
Can't the USFS just send Wagner and Chen to 4CC and whoever ranks highest will go? Or would they get sued for not including it on the criteria?

It's really dumb to pretend that they can, based on what's been put down, make an objective decision about who to pick. I'm sure the USOC is on their necks to name the team ASAP, though. Though they could just name Chen preliminarily and then sub Wagner in if they somehow magically indulged in my 4CC idea.
 
I'm not impressed with Ashley right now.
She seems to be spreading blame on everyone but herself. But if she had just landed her triple salchow, she wouldn't be in this position. There's really no one to blame but herself.
Also: PCS isn't how well you perform, as Ashley thinks it is. Her SS and TR are pretty weak, as is her CH. Her IN and PE should be high but that's less than half of PCS.
 
Can't the USFS just send Wagner and Chen to 4CC and whoever ranks highest will go? Or would they get sued for not including it on the criteria?

It's really dumb to pretend that they can, based on what's been put down, make an objective decision about who to pick. I'm sure the USOC is on their necks to name the team ASAP, though. Though they could just name Chen preliminarily and then sub Wagner in if they somehow magically indulged in my 4CC idea.

They'd say something like "it's too close"
If you really wanted the Olympics, you'd do anything to get there... so that excuse doesn't hold up very well in my mind
 
I'm not impressed with Ashley right now.
She seems to be spreading blame on everyone but herself. But if she had just landed her triple salchow, she wouldn't be in this position. There's really no one to blame but herself.
Also: PCS isn't how well you perform, as Ashley thinks it is. Her SS and TR are pretty weak, as is her CH. Her IN and PE should be high but that's less than half of PCS.

I agree, it's a bad look to start complaining like that...

But also, even when considering performance, I don't think that Ashley was nearly at the same level in that regard as she might have been a few years ago. The program doesn't help, certainly, but she just doesn't have that same spark. She hasn't had it in any competition this season, in my opinion.
 
I'm not impressed with Ashley right now.
She seems to be spreading blame on everyone but herself. But if she had just landed her triple salchow, she wouldn't be in this position. There's really no one to blame but herself.
Also: PCS isn't how well you perform, as Ashley thinks it is. Her SS and TR are pretty weak, as is her CH. Her IN and PE should be high but that's less than half of PCS.

That's ignoring the fact that the judges frequently treat them as interdependent, and that her SS and TR have been consistently held up by international and domestic judges because of her interpretative skills. So it's not sufficient to say "oh well, she didn't have great SS/TR anyway," because the skater and her team rely on accurate judging to dictate what they should work on/focus on, and there's a reliance interest at play.

And BTW, she completely admitted that she f'ed up technically.
 
I'm not impressed with Ashley right now.
She seems to be spreading blame on everyone but herself. But if she had just landed her triple salchow, she wouldn't be in this position. There's really no one to blame but herself.
Also: PCS isn't how well you perform, as Ashley thinks it is. Her SS and TR are pretty weak, as is her CH. Her IN and PE should be high but that's less than half of PCS.

I’m not a big fan of Ashley’s SS usually but yesterday they looked solid to me. Her SS was certainly much stronger than than Mirai’s, Angela’s and Bradie’s but not as good as Karen’s imo.
 
USA Today

Ashley Wagner 'absolutely furious' at judges' scoring


Some interesting points here:

“I am a performer. And that second mark is just not there (the judges’ component scores). I’m absolutely OK with them being strict on my (jump) rotations, but it needs to be across the board.”

As an example, she was flagged for an under-rotated jump in the short program while Jason Brown was not called for what clearly appeared to be an under-rotated jump in the men’s short program the next day.

But Karen did get five colossal carrots, though.
 
Just some quick thoughts before bed as someone who was there in person:

I have never been a fan of Ashley and always thought people were smoking some good stuff whenever they would go on about her "ability to perform" and yadda yadda. Having now seen her in person and especially in contrast with the other 20 girls at Nationals, I finally understood what people meant. It's like watching a really good movie and you're immediately invested from the get-go. I was glued to her the entire program and I've never gotten that from watching her on video; she filled out the ice really well too. It's pretty upsetting that she gave the only good performance of the night and was purposely held down in PCS for whatever reason especially compared to the top 3. I'd probably be rolling my eyes at that Ashley video saying she's furious about her scores if I hadn't been there in person but I have to agree with her. The PCS bump is being selectively applied to skaters. She got screwed. I also say this as someone who hates La La Land; movie is trash, but this program was fresh and spunky. I loved it.

Even though I was rooting for Mirai to win for sentimental reasons, she really didn't perform at all. Now don't get me wrong, the entire arena including myself were screaming after every jump because we wanted it so badly for her... but that doesn't equate to good PCS. She landed a fantastic 3A in the warm-up that lit up the arena. Marina Klimova was sitting next to me (:love:) and she went gaga over it too! Thrilled with her program here and I believe she's a good example to put in a dictionary next to the word "perseverance". I couldn't stop smiling after she finished and burst into tears on the ice. Her score got a standing ovation from my section too.

Karen Chen; I don't know if it was her flu or something but for someone who finished 4th in the World, her choreography and performance weren't too different than the lower tier skaters at Nationals. After hearing and reading tons about her speed from forums and commentators, I expected more from her. Her skating skills were the best of the field though; much smoother and effortless movement across the ice... so that has to count for something. I did love her ChSq with the spiral though. Really beautiful. In person, her 2A+1Lo+3S is a thing of beauty. Probably my favorite jump combination of the competition. Her layback was incredibly impressive too.

Bradie; most transitions out of anyone and faultless jumps except for 2A+3T. Likely nerves more than a specific technical fault though. Program was a snooze. Skating and speed is fine, nothing stands out. Choreography and performance is non-existent. Audience muted aside from jump landings. Her PCS compared to those below her, especially Ashley, are a joke. I can understand TES-ing your way to a National title but not with those PCS.

Side-notes: I didn't understand what people meant by Caroline Zhang snail speed until she got to her StSq. Holy damn girl, :eeking:. Even I could do that step sequence and I don't even skate. Amber Glenn had the most impressive triple triple combination, good speed into it. Tessa Hong is like mini Sasha Cohen. Starr Andrews was really good! And Michelle Kwan during the Hall of Fame introduction was looking good and fit, I say send her the Olympics as that third entry, why not. She'd get way more media coverage than any American Olympian period.

Over and out. Men's free tomorrow!

Thank you for sharing your perspective from the arena. I thought you are being very fair to all the skaters. I agree on the pcs scoring. I see the criticism leveled at Wagner for it and just can't reconcile it with the thought that Shae-Lynn would have done such a poor job in planning out LaLa in an Olympic season. Her reputation is also at stake here. I just don't get the negative comparison of program design between a pro of her stature and the choreo for Bradie & Karen. I love Bradie & Karen, but they haven't the performance quality that Shae and Ashley have developed over years.
 
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