Medvedeva leaving Eteri

[Hui]

ISU:
• Skating Skills which is the overall quality of the skating ability (e.g. balance, cleanness and sureness, flow, edges, multi directional skating, power)
• Transitions which is the variety, difficulty and purposeful use of intricate footwork, positions, movements and holds that link all elements.
• Performance is the physical and emotional involvement of the skater/couple as they deliver the intent of the music and composition (e.g. carriage, style, personality, variety, contrasts, projection).
• Composition is an intentionally developed and/or original arrangement of all types of movements according to the principles of musical phrase, space, pattern, and structure (e.g. idea, concept, unity, pattern, phrasing, originality, design)
• Interpretation of the Music /Timing (for Ice Dance) it is the personal, creative, and genuine translation of the rhythm, character and content of music to movement on ice.

All that has to be demonstrated mainly in the stsq, have you seen the Rocker, Mohawk, Choctaw she uses? its deep and clear edges in the stsq, the sureness with which she flows and change edge while she transits between the previous steps of its sequence to the next tech. element?


I see good SS according to what the ISU dictates.
And curiously I also see that it fulfills all the other requirements for PCs in a large margin. We are not saying that she is perfect, because she is not. But it meets most of the requirements, because her program was thus packaged: clear edges in the stsq, good flow and speed and multidirectional skating(especially in the 2016-2017 season), 11 difficult turns required with changes of edges. And she does all of that using her entire upper body while skating on one foot, and she has almost no crossovers.I think that in her FS of 2017 you can appreciate all these good qualities. And best of all, she can improve by recovering from her injury and getting a better program.

Explain why Carolina gets lower SS than her. Fyi, I did not say Zhenya's SS is bad.

 

[Mawwerg]

I think it's not a good idea to move to another country because after it Alina will receive the status of first number of the team. It will lead to her advantage over Zhenya in case of direct confrontation. The judges under influence of RusFed will support Alina like they supported Zhenya at Olympics.

 

[vorravorra]

Agree that Eteri is not the best coach to deal with health issues. And from articles I've read, it does seem like Evgenia wants longevity in her career, which is awesome.
If a different approach is needed, so be it. If something's broken, then fix it...it it's not, don't. I'm just not sure it's worth the risk. But like I said, she knows way better than I do.

We will only know the exact reasons when Evgenia tells us but she must feel something is broken. In truth, at Eteri's she'll be the backup and the safe option for another season and then..? No guarantees with another coach but at least it's an attempt to break out.

 

[readernick]

I never said that her mental strength is a gift from the judges. I just feel that when you know you are gonna get good result no matter how flawed your technique is, surely that is a huge boost of confidence. For some people, having confidence increases your mental strength. I never said that mental strength is the reason she is consistent; that was mentioned by Yata. I said her consistency was contributed by prerotation, average jump height and ice coverage. And that actually makes sense.

I don’t want to get into an argument. I just responded because your comment sounded spiteful but that may not have been your intention. It is hard to read tone online. We all like certain skaters and are not attracted to others. But, having a fair level of objectivity will allow us too see the good and bad in every skater. Medvedeva dominated unrivaled for two years because she is consistent and checks the boxes on GOE and PCS. She has many good qualities and unlike many young skaters she actually listens to the music . ( whether or not you like the choreography she performs it well)

The fact that she is moving to a new coach shows she wants to improve. Someone with Medvedeva’s level of determination
is doubtless a hard-worker and perfectionist. I am sure the issues that bother fans bother her even more. I hope Orser helps her improve her weaknesses snd she is satisfied with the coaching change.

 

[Ophelia]

I think it's not a good idea to move to another country because after it Alina will receive the status of first number of the team. It will lead to her advantage over Zhenya in case of direct confrontation. The judges under influence of RusFed will support Alina like they supported Zhenya at Olympics.

Zag has already replaced Med in federations eyes. Med would've stagnated or regressed under Eteri. She has no room but to move.

 

[vorravorra]

I think it's not a good idea to move to another country because after it Alina will receive the status of first number of the team. It will lead to her advantage over Zhenya in case of direct confrontation. The judges under influence of RusFed will support Alina like they supported Zhenya at Olympics.

Yes. But there isn't really anywhere within the country for her to go.

 

[AshWagsFan]

I’m shocked. I can’t believe it... I don’t know where she can go to in Russia and become stronger than Zagitova (or any of the younger ones) at this point, but I wish the best of luck to her!

 

[chopinskate]

Zag has already replaced Med in federations eyes. Med would've stagnated or regressed under Eteri. She has no room but to move.

Med had already stagnated/regressed under Eteri, IMO. The move will help her be in competition, the only thing that remains is an official confirmation, and a press release detailing what she hopes to gain. Love for FS, sure, but what does she intend to do to remain in contention.

 

[Mawwerg]

Zag has already replaced Med in federations eyes. Med would've stagnated or regressed under Eteri. She has no room but to move.

No, until now Zhenya is still the face of figure skating in Russia and the federation support her.

 

[Hui]

I don’t want to get into an argument. I just responded because your comment sounded spiteful but that may not have been your intention. It is hard to read tone online. We all like certain skaters and are not attracted to others. But, having a fair level of objectivity will allow us too see the good and bad in every skater. Medvedeva dominated unrivaled for two years because she is consistent and checks the boxes on GOE and PCS. She has many good qualities and unlike many young skaters she actually listens to the music . ( whether or not you like the choreography she performs it well)

The fact that she is moving to a new coach shows she wants to improve. Someone with Medvedeva’s level of determination
is doubtless a hard-worker and perfectionist. I am sure the issues that bother fans bother her even more. I hope Orser helps her improve her weaknesses snd she is satisfied with the coaching change.

I'm just a figure skating fan. I like to see skaters improving and getting the result that they deserve, and im very happy that Zhenya wants to improve. But there are too much labelling ("hater") going on here that it is difficult to discuss anything rationally. I think im leaving so enjoy yourself here.

 

[sweetice]

Evgenia thrived under Eteri and her training methods. It's what she knows and how she learned. Yes, there are more talented juniors, ready to over take her, and Alina already has. But training regime, technique, atmosphere under Orser is completely different. This seems like there is potential for things to go well, but also a lot of risk involved. I'm not sure the risk at this point is worth it, but I trust that Evgenia knows better than I.

Risks ? Maybe before the Olympics, but now ? What she have to lose ?

She can't gain nothing just waiting to be the fifth lady of Eteri's group. Stay means just do this season and retire the next.
Now is more like accept the situation or fight with someone that really what to work for help her be competitive for some years.

Yatagarasu is definitely right. She don't need to do it, she can just do shows and advertising, but she still want to fight, and i think its very praiseworthy, even if it may become a vain attempt.

 

[chopinskate]

I'm just a figure skating fan. I like to see skaters improving and getting the result that they deserve, and im very happy that Zhenya wants to improve. But there are too much labelling ("hater") going on here that it is difficult to discuss anything rationally. I think im leaving so enjoy yourself here.

I hope you just mean the thread. The dumpster fires here can still be entertaining to participate in occasionally,

 

[Tulipstar]

I think the super juniors are indeed a big part of this.

Last year, it was just Anna Shcherbakova jumping a quad toe in practice and she got injured before even the JGP started. The PC Olympics were still ahead and that was the main goal for Evgenia. The juniors would only compete with her directly two years later, after she had hoped to become a gold medalist. She didn't really have to deal with them yet, even if they had jumped a 4A.

A year onwards, and Trusova has successfully completed a two quad program at junior worlds. It's no longer just 4T and 4S, but 4Lz that is being jumped around at the rink by these two. Then you have Kostornaya with her skating skills and jumping 3A's around her as well. There's even a 10 year old doing 3Lz-3T. Alina has shown she can be beaten and is also practicing around her.

The Olympics ahead are now going to be Olympics with the likes of Trusova and Shcherbakova competing with her for spots. There's no longer a sense of far away future that she doesn't need to deal with yet about them. I can understand she would move to a less tense environment where she isn't constantly reminded that she won't be able to compete technically (yet?) and can improve on things that she couldn't learn from Eteri.

 

[moriel]

Risks ? Maybe before the Olympics, but now ? What she have to lose ?

She can't gain nothing just waiting to be the fifth lady of Eteri's group. Stay means just do this season and retire the next.
Now is more like accept the situation or fight with someone that really what to work for help her be competitive for some years.

Yatagarasu is definitely right. She don't need to do it, she can just do shows and advertising, but she still want to fight, and i think its very praiseworthy, even if it may become a vain attempt.

Actually, she has quite a lot to lose.
Right now, she is (still) russian #1 for the fed. Not sure if she will remain it if she moves to train outside russia. She is #1 for russian fans (and quite a few of them wouldnt be happy with a russian skater training outside russia).
As a side note. internal politiking is a big deal at russian nationals (see Konstantinova and Sotskova). Orser, for russian fed, is nobody and has no weight, which may reflect at how Medvedeva is scored at nationals.
Last but not least, she has her consistency to lose. This will hurt her international rep, and also possibly mess up her chances for one of the 3 spots. Maybe not this year, but next year... Just saying. Chances are Orser will mess that up.
Last but not least, money. Will rusfed pay for it? Will she pay for it with her own money?

Overall, I think that training outside russia is not a good move, unless she also switches countries (since she could skate for Armenia, i guess), basically because politics and rusfed.

 

[theharleyquinn]

I think it's not a good idea to move to another country because after it Alina will receive the status of first number of the team. It will lead to her advantage over Zhenya in case of direct confrontation. The judges under influence of RusFed will support Alina like they supported Zhenya at Olympics.

Alina is still young. Evgenia has built a cache with the federation over several years of dominating the ladies' field. This is an exception, not a rule, to the trend with Russian ladies. We haven't seen Alina try new programs since her rise and she still has growing to do. The Russian Fed will support Alina of course, but Alina certainly hasn't replaced her, especially if the Federation is letting her go abroad in the first place. The judges have shown that while they are inflating Alina's PCS, they aren't willing to give her the edge over Zhenya and I assume that will continue to be true. Once your PCS gets up there, it tends to stay up there.

 

[Kara]

I sort of saw the Orser move coming as it seemed like all the rumors started after the show in Korea where he was at. I believe the judges really reign in their scores after the Olympics and thus everyone's scores fall and with a new GOE system which I believe judges will be hesitant to give out 5s or 4s out of simply not being used to thinking that way, I think going to Orser to try to improve and showcase herself in an unstable time is a good move. I'm also in the camp of believing the management of her last season wasn't that great. Wish her the best of luck and super excited to see that Cricket team go go go!!

 

[Ice Dance]

Once your PCS gets up there, it tends to stay up there.

This is an old wives tale.

 

[Scout]

What she have to lose ?

We can start with her jump consistency...

 

[chopinskate]

We can start with her jump consistency...

She will be gaining A LOT of quality, though.

 

[vorravorra]

We can start with her jump consistency...

Is she going to retain it anyway? She can't jump at all right now. And if her consistency indeed required 10 run-throughs per day it will be gone wherever she is.