The Pearl spin invented by a Korean?

[antmanb]

I'm sure Michelle wasn't the 1st to do such a deep change of edge on her spiral, but it did become a signature movement for her

Sorry for the semantics but....no-one calls a change of edge spiral the "Kwan Spiral" most importantly Kwan doesn't call it that.

A better example is the 'Tano Lutz. Brian Boitano never called it that, and i think he's down on record as being a little embarassed the first time he heard it, and some of his friends ribbed him about it.

There's a difference when someone else does the naming after the skater and, for me, is a little off-putting when the skater does it him/herself - self promotion versus a coined term. The "mike pike" was just a joke - it was a shoot the duck!

Ant

 

[SktCal]

The Pearl Spin Invented by a Korean?

I downloaded both Caroline’s and Choi’s programs and watched at least twenty times side by side for the two spins. I do not see any similarity between the two.

I did see the difference between the two. Caroline’s Spin is a “pearl”, but I do not see where the “Pearl” is in Choi’s.

The pearl is in the center of the two shells of a “Oyster”. Caroline lifts her leg with both hands and extends both leg and arms beyond her head to make two pieces of a “oyster” shell. Her head, the “Pearl” is at the center of the shell. Her postures make a beautiful and perfect “pearl” – the head in between the leg and the arms.

I saw female skater catch foot and lay down her head as Choi did in her program more like an “ear ring”.

Am I the only one who has a different vision?

 

[Mathman]

Welcome to Golden Skate, SktCal. Post often, post long!

 

[feraina]

I saw female skater catch foot and lay down her head as Choi did in her program more like an “ear ring”.

Caroline is definitely capable of attaining a more stretched out position than anyone else who tries the catch-foot layback spin. But even she doesn't always manage to fully extend, maybe due to lack of speed or time or whatever -- for instance in this SP:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rVIZDrxjJxc

I guess when I saw Ji Eun Choi I realized the gradual transition between the more common catch-foot layback (which in itself was already difficult & impressive enough) and the "pearl." Choi's spin is like an intermediate position. I wish she could gain more consistency in her jumps and speed in general; she could be a really nice skater to watch.

 

[SeaniBu]

Am I the only one who has a different vision?

Welcome to the forum.

Since you asked, I must ask if you are reading my posts? Yes, I defiantly do and most of the same feeling came only from discussion prior to seeing.

Again, yes, I hole heartedly agree with your view.

 

[SktCal]

Pearl Spin

SeaniBu, Sorry I did not read your post before I made the reply last time. I read the first page of this thread and loaded the videos to watch, compare and then made a comment. Well you are ahead of me after read your post so I have to say I agree with you, rather you agree with me.

SeaniBu, Mathman, Thank you for the welcome note.

Feraina, I agree with you on Choi's skating. She is a good skater. Her layback spin is nice to watch.

 

[Kypma]

Okay, kinda late and random, but I was surfing on youtube and found this clip of Nathalie Kreig - the poster placed the copyright in 1999, so this definitely precedes both Choi and Zhang. The clip is really poor quality, but I can almost discern something that could look like Caroline's Pearl-into-Bielmann spin. She does it twice, but both times, the tape seems to be unable to deal with the spin's speed. I can't tell if she brings her leg up from behind like Caroline, or from the side.

Anyways, enought babbling, here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxVr9swdPEQ

Kypma