2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[el henry]

From the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons:

Scaphoid Fracture of the Wrist - OrthoInfo - AAOS

A scaphoid fracture is a break in one of the small bones of the wrist. This type of fracture occurs most often after a fall onto an outstretched hand. Symptoms typically include pain and tenderness below the base of the thumb in an area known as the "anatomic snuffbox."

orthoinfo.aaos.org

Unlike most other fractures, scaphoid fractures tend to heal slowly. During this time, unless advanced activity is approved by your doctor, you should avoid the following activities:

• Lifting, carrying, pushing, or pulling more than one pound of weight
• Throwing with your injured arm
• Participating in contact sports
• Climbing ladders or trees
• Participating in activities with a risk of falling onto your hand, such as inline skating or jumping on a trampoline
• Using heavy or vibratory machinery
• Smoking (which can delay or prevent fracture healing)

The AAOS did not say anything about exceptions for elite skaters or for "toughness" or for "old school" coaching, surprisingly enough

 

[silveruskate]

^ Agree although isn't this the 2nd injury, first was metacarpal.

Regardless it is so absurd to even contemplate. How can Aliona interpret anything with her whole hand in a cast up to the point right below her elbow.

But the main problem...Aliona clenches her fist in all her jumps! The axel entry don't even ask. So she's going to have to learn Nathan Chen hand placement and do all triples this way in few weeks by Nationals. Skating with the constant fear that if she falls she will most likely F up her hand or some other part of her body if she doesn't instinctively use the hand to stabilise herself. And how she even does a 2A no clue, but she's Aliona maybe she can, 3A out of the question.

And if by the lottery miracle she's clean the judges would give her the 240 points she needed? What a joke.

 

[Lechat]

I hope this was talked about. At least EG wont be angry this time. I hope not.

Aliona never should have gone back there. That apology tour she was on was sad. At least AK wwont be smothered by other super girls at CSKA. She will have the chance to shine again.

I would have preferred Aliona went to Davydov.

To be honest, I wanted her and Sasha to stay with Plushi. He maybe not the best russian coach but he’s human. As an athlete, he knows what they feel and when they parted he wished her the best unlike TT who treats Alena like a nobody like her past archievments are nothing.
Like I said she’s a champion and will always be one.

 

[Scott512]

To be honest, I wanted her and Sasha to stay with Plushi. He maybe not the best russian coach but he’s human. As an athlete, he knows what they feel and when they parted he wished her the best unlike TT who treats Alena like a nobody like her past archievments are nothing.
Like I said she’s a champion and will always be one.

Let's see if AK can become a champion again. Or at least regain her form of 2 years ago or 90% of it. That would be great. I also feel that Aliona is very sensitive and and things that would never bother Anya for instance bother Aliona. She needs to be handled with some care and ways that sasha and Anna for instance may not be needed to handle with care.

 

[dorispulaski]

I would wish for all students to be handled with care, whether they need it or not. They are all precious.

 

[jenaj]

To be honest, I wanted her and Sasha to stay with Plushi. He maybe not the best russian coach but he’s human. As an athlete, he knows what they feel and when they parted he wished her the best unlike TT who treats Alena like a nobody like her past archievments are nothing.
Like I said she’s a champion and will always be one.

It is hard to understand why they both went back. Why did they want to train in an environment where one skater (Kamila) was the "chosen one?" Or where your training mates were your competitors? What Eteri is doing is really unconscionable, playing favorites and dismissing skaters, who are really just children, because they hit a bump in the road or get injured. How long will Kamila last in this environment, now that she is under a cloud? What if she loses her triple axel, which seems to happen rather frequently with young women skaters? As for the quads, to me, it is a failed experiment among women skaters. Skaters like Trusova totally sacrifice artistry for jumps. Falls are common. A child's body seems to be required for most who do them. I am actually looking forward to Worlds without quads in the ladies event.

 

[lariko]

She needs to be handled with some care and ways that sasha and Anna for instance may not be needed to handle with care.

I wish the school, media and fans showed far, far, far more consideration for Trusova's feelings and stopped criticizing her at every opportunity for being true to herself.

 

[Scott512]

I wish the school, media and fans showed far, far more consideration for Trusova's feelings and stopped criticizing her at every opportunity for being true to herself.

I think one of the things EG is struggling with is skaters being true to themselves and not just easily being molded into what this coach wants.

The days of the Russian old school coaching methods are over.

 

[chuckm]

I wish the school, media and fans showed far, far, far more consideration for Trusova's feelings and stopped criticizing her at every opportunity for being true to herself.

Surya Bonaly was "true to herself" when she took off her silver medal on the 1994 Worlds podium. When being "true to oneself" is a public display of bad sportsmanship, it's going to be widely criticized. Trusova's loud complaints to Eteri took away from Shcherbakova's enjoyment of her OGM, just as Surya's bad temper didn't allow Yuka Sato to fully enjoy her first and only World Championship.

At the 2006 Olympics, Irina Slutskaya was highly displeased at receiving the bronze medal, but at least she kept her feelings to herself on the podium and threw her medal into her locker after the ceremony was over. Irina was also irate at her 2002 Olympics silver, and complained loudly to the Russian press afterwards, but she didn't cause a public disruption of any kind at the event.

 

[Paulipau]

At the 2006 Olympics, Irina Slutskaya was highly displeased at receiving the bronze medal, but at least she kept her feelings to herself on the podium and threw her medal into her locker after the ceremony was over. Irina was also irate at her 2002 Olympics silver, and complained loudly to the Russian press afterwards, but she didn't cause a public disruption of any kind at the event.

Irina was 23 in 2002 and 27 in 2006, at this age you are able to handle your emotions very well comparing to being a teenager.

 

[Magill]

Irina was 23 in 2002 and 27 in 2006, at this age you are able to handle your emotions very well comparing to being a teenager.

Besides, Sasha did not really disrupt anything. She went on the podium and did not yell there or did anything disruptive. We were shown scenes from the part of arena which usually would not be on cameras. Although I do not want to take away from this drama, who knows what is really going on there where nobody's watching?

 

[Arbitrary]

Besides, Sasha did not really disrupt anything. She went on the podium and did not yell there or did anything disruptive. We were shown scenes from the part of arena which usually would not be on cameras. Although I do not want to take away from this drama, who knows what is really going on there where nobody's watching?

I was truly expecting her to throw the silver medal to a garbage bin and refuse to participate in the Gala. I could understand it.
Looks like someone stopped her, explaining that her life will never be "life" anymore.

 

[Azikin]

Why did they want to train in an environment where one skater (Kamila) was the "chosen one?"

Look at the Olympics podium again (in case you forgot) and there you will find the answer.

 

[macy]

Besides, Sasha did not really disrupt anything. She went on the podium and did not yell there or did anything disruptive. We were shown scenes from the part of arena which usually would not be on cameras. Although I do not want to take away from this drama, who knows what is really going on there where nobody's watching?

did you watch the footage after Kamila got her scores and before Sasha stepped on the ice for flowers? i completely understand why she felt the way she did and i empathize with her, but your statement is very inaccurate. she was extremely disruptive and inconsolable. she was screaming and crying until the moment she stepped back on the ice.

 

[macy]

It is hard to understand why they both went back. Why did they want to train in an environment where one skater (Kamila) was the "chosen one?" Or where your training mates were your competitors? What Eteri is doing is really unconscionable, playing favorites and dismissing skaters, who are really just children, because they hit a bump in the road or get injured. How long will Kamila last in this environment, now that she is under a cloud? What if she loses her triple axel, which seems to happen rather frequently with young women skaters? As for the quads, to me, it is a failed experiment among women skaters. Skaters like Trusova totally sacrifice artistry for jumps. Falls are common. A child's body seems to be required for most who do them. I am actually looking forward to Worlds without quads in the ladies event.

i don't know why the multi-quote isn't working so double posting...

i think both of them saw the writing on the wall, Aliona especially- she had an undefeated season under TT and became GPF & Euro champion. they probably both felt desparate because it was their only chance to make an olympic team. they know Eteri's girls score well and her team has a better reputation than anybody else. having a lot of internal competition can also be a really helpful environment which wasn't there with Plushenko. i think it was a last chance effort from both of them.

on that note, there are rumors Trusova is trying to leave per TSL.

 

[Magill]

did you watch the footage after Kamila got her scores and before Sasha stepped on the ice for flowers? i completely understand why she felt the way she did and i empathize with her, but your statement is very inaccurate. she was extremely disruptive and inconsolable. she was screaming and crying until the moment she stepped back on the ice.

Yeah, I meant it was happening backtage. That's why many people noted this was the area were cameras usually are not allowed and we do not see what is going on in there. She could have considered it sort of a "private" area, she was trying to hide from the cameras and looking for some private space which she was not allowed. The public part of the ceremony takes place on the ice - and, as you seem to agree, it was not disrupted.

 

[lariko]

Surya Bonaly was "true to herself" when she took off her silver medal on the 1994 Worlds podium. When being "true to oneself" is a public display of bad sportsmanship, it's going to be widely criticized. Trusova's loud complaints to Eteri took away from Shcherbakova's enjoyment of her OGM, just as Surya's bad temper didn't allow Yuka Sato to fully enjoy her first and only World Championship.

At the 2006 Olympics, Irina Slutskaya was highly displeased at receiving the bronze medal, but at least she kept her feelings to herself on the podium and threw her medal into her locker after the ceremony was over. Irina was also irate at her 2002 Olympics silver, and complained loudly to the Russian press afterwards, but she didn't cause a public disruption of any kind at the event.

Trusova stood on the podium just fine. Nobody asked the press to hound her when she needed privacy to get over the loss. The coaching stuff is there to prevent it, except… Dudakov, the man with years of experience just stood there and looked on.

 

[lariko]

I also wanted to add that people's expectations of figure skaters' are quite high.

They must be strong, flexible, fast and agile.
They must also jump to the point of physical probability.
at the same time they cannot focus on athletics, because they must be artistic.
artistic and sensitive, but conceal their emotions.
have picture-perfect bodies, but eat healthy.
and when they fall, they can't show pain... because it detracts from performance

maybe the Japanese should start developing a figure-skating android, like they make robo-cats now, in case, you know, Kagiyama doesn't work out.

 

[lesnar001]

It's unfortunate that Sasha's outburst was caught on camera the way it was. I doubt she wanted the world to see it. I agree that although she didn't disrupt the medal ceremony, she certainly did take the focus off of what was important in that moment, which should have been Anna's win AND Kamila's fragile emotional state.

She was maybe upset because she didn't win (although I have never seen any actual confirmation of this being the reason). If so, then IMO her mindset definitely reminds me of both Irina Slutskaya (2002 and 2006 Olympics) and Surya Bonaly (1994 Worlds). All of them seemed to believe that just having more difficult jumps should equal victory (never mind how sloppy their programs were performed). IJS or 6.0 --- this much is still the same: "Neatness" counts.

Has there been any explanation why she was upset? At the time, I also thought she might be angry because she wasn't in the Team Event. If she had skated the LP, then she would have a Gold Medal (pending the outcome of the doping investigation, of course).

Well, it all seems so unimportant now in light of everything else. I've always admired her grit and determination to blaze her own "path", but I enjoy her skating much more when she's not trying to cram so many quads into her LP. Her Skate America LP was my favorite performance from her this season.

 

[chuckm]

Yes, Trusova was angry that she didn't win. She truly believed that if she executed her 5-quad program without falls, she was guaranteed the gold medal just as Nathan Chen was with his 5-quad program. That's why when she didn't win the OGM, she railed at Eteri for not allowing her (Sasha) to skate in the TE, saying everybody else has a gold medal except her.