Huge congratulations to Joannie! I'm so proud of her!!!!
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Huge congratulations to Joannie! I'm so proud of her!!!!
Honestly, I can not believe her score. It is too low. Why?!
I’m glad to see Ashley’s comment.
She has a positive mind-set, and relish a new challenge.
I think I know she can make it at 4CC.
Yes, “she” can do more at World Championships next month. :thumbsup:
"My performance went really well," said the 16-year-old. "I was really happy with it. I landed everything, and as far as I know, everything was pretty clean. My goal was to go out there and skate clean and put out a really good performance. We'll see how everything ends up going to Worlds, but I think this is a good experience for me here because I'm going to see how I'm going to place myself among the top contenders. It's going to be good experience."
Wagner added that she plans to do a triple-triple in the long. "You know it all depends on how it goes in practice. Really, I'm planning on going out there and skating clean and hoping that everyone enjoys my performance. "
http://www.goldenskate.com/articles/2007/4cc_2.shtml
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Well, her flip and lutz are almost identical, so...
I haven't seen Wagner's skate yet, but I did watch the top 3, and have to agree with the technical panel for downgrading all of the "3-3"s. Ando's loop and Rochette's toeloop were more than 1/4 revolution short on the landings, and Asada's loop with the pre-rotation and under-rotation looked like she was doing a double in the air but making it a triple on the ice.
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I agree with the tech panel on underrotations too...
Asada and Ando both slightly prerotated and then completed the rotation on the ice. Joannie did that too but if I were her I would definitely be happy anyway, since she did complete the jump.
In the end, it all depends what tech caller shows up at worlds...
I just noticed another thing: for once pcs seem pretty fair: Joannie and Miki are almost the same, and mao above.
What do you guys think about that?
Asada and Ando both slightly prerotated and then completed the rotation on the ice. Joannie did that too but if I were her I would definitely be happy anyway, since she did complete the jump.
In the end, it all depends what tech caller shows up at worlds...
I just noticed another thing: for once pcs seem pretty fair: Joannie and Miki are almost the same, and mao above.
What do you guys think about that?
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IMO, Joannie deserves much higher PCS than Miki. Miki wasn't all that bad as far as her postures go but she was really slow and not as polished as Joannie! I am not sure why Joannie doesn't get higher PCS. She is so much more elegant than Miki. Miki is like Slutsukaya, for some reasons they get really high PCS.
I wonder Joannie gets lower PCS for having too much muscle?
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I don't know, I'm not a big fan of Miki in pcs (i said it way too many times already). On the other hand I love joannie's charisma on the ice, and I think it should be reflected in the right pc mark, but overall I don't find her that polished either...JMO...so i guess I would already be satisfied if they would get the "same" pcs.
I was just glad in noticing that now they look more comparable now: remember last year when miki got pcs in the high 7-8??:sheesh: and Joannie in 6? that for me was too big of a distance
Well, her flip and lutz are almost identical, so...
I haven't seen Wagner's skate yet, but I did watch the top 3, and have to agree with the technical panel for downgrading all of the "3-3"s. Ando's loop and Rochette's toeloop were more than 1/4 revolution short on the landings, and Asada's loop with the pre-rotation and under-rotation looked like she was doing a double in the air but making it a triple on the ice.
What an uninformed post. Watch the SKATING - not what you want to see!!!
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I can only say that the top 3 could be better and that this may turn out to be a rehearsal for the Worlds. I don't like to get into underrotations because it is the advice of the Caller with concurrence of Panel. Nothing one can do about them except make fans angry.
I do take an interest in PC scores. Mao is now skating like a young lady and no longer like a child prodigy. She needs some more work to look more mature.
Miki, continues bending her torso over too much when doing stroking and crossovers. I don't like it and it was my main reason for not liking Boitano.
Joannie is fine but it is a matter of consistencies. Her PC scores go awry when she misses something. However, they held up here.
The above is just my opinion on the performances of the Ladies.
Joe
I do take an interest in PC scores. Mao is now skating like a young lady and no longer like a child prodigy. She needs some more work to look more mature.
Miki, continues bending her torso over too much when doing stroking and crossovers. I don't like it and it was my main reason for not liking Boitano.
Joannie is fine but it is a matter of consistencies. Her PC scores go awry when she misses something. However, they held up here.
The above is just my opinion on the performances of the Ladies.
Joe
No, nothing psychological.
Miki's headache is said to be since her novice days.
In September '05 she herself wrote, on a website where her fans gather, that she sometimes has severe headache, and that since the day before it was killing her while practice....
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Everyone knows that PCS is judges bias and the sway of the competitor at that moment. There was once a time when Joannie got higher PCS that Mao, Miki, almost everyone except for Sasha, Sluts, and Arakawa even with mistakes in her program. She has simply fallen out of favor with the judges. Hopefully this will be a rebound. But I do agree, if PCS were true, she along with Poykio should have some of the highest PCS in the world today.
Well, it may be just the quality of the video I saw, but to me Joannie didn't look that fast in the SP, despite it's being clearly her best skate this season. Can the drop in her PCS simply be due to a drop in her speed?
Whether right or wrong, PCS these days seem to be almost single-mindedly driven by a skater's speed...
Re: Ashley, she was way over-marked at National's. Among other things, despite being one of the worst flutz offenders, she didn't get marked down for it. I was always concerned that given the inflation of marks and inconsistency of tech calling at National's, unrealistic expectations would be placed on the young skaters. Ashley's SB in the SP is only just over 50, and her best ever is 51.xx from JW 2007, before the flutz penalties were implemented. If she was slightly off at 4CC, and under-rotated the 3F, then it's not a huge surprise that she only scored 47. Her SP was much better at TEB, and that was only 50.
I do, however, think that she has a pretty strong LP, and will come back strong to place in the top 6
Whether right or wrong, PCS these days seem to be almost single-mindedly driven by a skater's speed...
Re: Ashley, she was way over-marked at National's. Among other things, despite being one of the worst flutz offenders, she didn't get marked down for it. I was always concerned that given the inflation of marks and inconsistency of tech calling at National's, unrealistic expectations would be placed on the young skaters. Ashley's SB in the SP is only just over 50, and her best ever is 51.xx from JW 2007, before the flutz penalties were implemented. If she was slightly off at 4CC, and under-rotated the 3F, then it's not a huge surprise that she only scored 47. Her SP was much better at TEB, and that was only 50.
I do, however, think that she has a pretty strong LP, and will come back strong to place in the top 6
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feraina - Ashley skated better at Nationals than here. In 4CC, she came out 12th.
and you singled her out as a big time flutzer. Did you see any Japanese flutzers?
Joe
and you singled her out as a big time flutzer. Did you see any Japanese flutzers?
Joe
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Ashley was great at nationals, I thought she should have been marked higher.
Headaches are common among people. Maybe she has migraines.
Hi Toni - hope you are finished uploading photos!
I'd have to disagree with you. I would not have marked her higher but I would have marked Nagasu much lower.
Hi Toni - hope you are finished uploading photos!
I'd have to disagree with you. I would not have marked her higher but I would have marked Nagasu much lower.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JjQVoZukZE
Here's Mao's 3-3 in slow motion, if anyone is interested. I'm not claiming that she UR it (I don't think she did), but since there has been some dispute, here it is.
I can't say anything about the loop, but that 3F sure was HUGE.
Also, I'm assuming one would have to jump pretty high in order to make the full revolution of the 3L (at the tail end of a combo). I don't see how anyone does it...
PS: I hate how we have so many negative Mao/Yu-na people on youtube!
Here's Mao's 3-3 in slow motion, if anyone is interested. I'm not claiming that she UR it (I don't think she did), but since there has been some dispute, here it is.
I can't say anything about the loop, but that 3F sure was HUGE.
Also, I'm assuming one would have to jump pretty high in order to make the full revolution of the 3L (at the tail end of a combo). I don't see how anyone does it...
PS: I hate how we have so many negative Mao/Yu-na people on youtube!
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Thanks for posting the video, Carolinefan.
To me it looked like the flip was pre-rotated, but that might just be the mechanics of the jump (all jumps seem pre-rotated to me). The landing of the flip was perfect, as far as I could see.
But then it looked like she took a full 270 degrees of pre-rotation on her loop. I think this is the answer to your question, "I don't see how anyone does it" (make three complete revolutions on the second jump of that combo). They can do it because they really only do two revolutions in the air.
To me, it looked like Mao's landing edge was about 100 degrees short -- just enough for the tech specialist to call it underrotated.
So in all, with pre-rtation and underrotation, I think she did about two actual revolutions in the air on the loop.
Please correct me, skating experts, if I saw it wrong.
To me it looked like the flip was pre-rotated, but that might just be the mechanics of the jump (all jumps seem pre-rotated to me). The landing of the flip was perfect, as far as I could see.
But then it looked like she took a full 270 degrees of pre-rotation on her loop. I think this is the answer to your question, "I don't see how anyone does it" (make three complete revolutions on the second jump of that combo). They can do it because they really only do two revolutions in the air.
To me, it looked like Mao's landing edge was about 100 degrees short -- just enough for the tech specialist to call it underrotated.
So in all, with pre-rtation and underrotation, I think she did about two actual revolutions in the air on the loop.
Please correct me, skating experts, if I saw it wrong.
Miki is known to her old fans to have occasional headaches. Papers here states migraines.
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Sorry, maybe my comments seemed a bit random! I was traveling all week and so missed all the action in real time. Reading over the posts, I saw a lot of people were puzzled about Ashley's score, so I was just commenting on that (quite late in the thread, sorry).
I don't think international judges would mark Ashley higher than they normally would, just because she got a medal at U.S. National's, unless she actually skated significantly better. Aside from the jump problems, her movements also seemed rather unpolished and rushed in this 4cc SP. I sometimes felt like she was throwing up her arms just because the choreography called for it, but it carried no "real" meaning in the context of the muic/program.
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