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Virtue / Moir serve notice at worlds......

i noticed an improvement but an improvement not worthy, imo, of that big of a "jump"

case closed

Well thank god it's only your opinion, because you are way off. It appears that the judges think otherwise. And I'll take their evaluation of their performance over yours, since yours don't matter one bit.

By the way, does it make you feel good in any way to be trolling in threads about skaters you obviously don't get and don't appreciate just to put them down?

Just asking, because it appears to me that someone who does that has, IMO... what is that expression again? ah yes ... no life.
 
Well thank god it's only your opinion, because you are way off. It appears that the judges think otherwise. And I'll take their evaluation of their performance over yours, since yours don't matter one bit.

By the way, does it make you feel good in any way to be trolling in threads about skaters you obviously don't get and don't appreciate just to put them down?

Just asking, because it appears to me that someone who does that has, IMO... what is that expression again? ah yes ... no life.

ha. okay.
i'm just doing what you just did; imply opinions - it may possibly be right for 10 people or be wrong for 30. you may think that my slight input is stupid, while some think it's acceptable as a reply.

and no. please don't assume. i "troll" in threads to see what i want to say and i don't put teams down. and an example of putting down would be: "V/M are stupid. Scott is a frail man for THAT tessa." now that's putting them down.

i am honestly questioning how a team can improve that much. i am sorry if i'm not as experienced as you, bigjohn. please don't take things so personally or...negativly. don't be going around, assuming.

i know my delobel and schoenfelder pride is possibly a "clue" to my "hatred" against virtue and moir, but it isn't.

you're wrong.

grow up. my opinion is my opinion. not yours. obviously they aren't the same, doesn't necessarily mean one is correct over the other.

so please. just keep assumptions to yourself.

here let me toss a compliment for your V/M: their spins are amazing i really do think so.

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i'd like to see this advancement as a definite threat to dom/sha.
 
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I fail to see what big deal is with moving up the standings.

With the 2 top teams from last year not in the championships (D-S, D-L), almost everybody moved up. I guess young teams improved more than older teams.

Examples?

D-S from 4 to 1 (+3)
V-M from 6 to 2 (+4)
F-S from 9 to 4 (+5)
K-N from 8 to 3 (+5)

Even D-S were ranked #1 all year, they were 5th last year.

Most people who know anything about ice dance can see that V-M are one of the greatest talent to come along. They are performing beyong their very young age, they have special abilities, superb skills. Superior to most current teams.

They have won the FD, scored the most technical points. So it is very hard to understand how people can be so judgemental and critical.

Like when someone says
" i noticed an improvement but an improvement not worthy, imo, of that big of a "jump"

case closed "

or this nice quote

"the judges are really pushing this team for 2010"

Judges pushing up V-M?

Their jump was no bigger than most teams this year. I don't see your point at all.
If any team was pushed this year, it has to be K-N. They had a bigger jump, so have F-S, yet no complaining from you, even if neither K-N ot F-S had more significant improvement than V-M.

I really think you don't get their brand of ice dancing at all.
 
V/M did not jump in the standings considering 3 of the teams ahead of them last year were not at this year's worlds and that would have put them into the top 3 spots. They ended up second because one of the teams ahead of them last year made a big error this year. So really the results were pretty much just the moving up process.
I remember some years back when a Fr team were 5th at the Olympics but came 2nd at worlds the same year and they really did not jump up the standings either. Just that the top teams from the Oympics didn't skate at worlds.
 
ha. okay.
i'm just doing what you just did; imply opinions - it may possibly be right for 10 people or be wrong for 30. you may think that my slight input is stupid, while some think it's acceptable as a reply.

and no. please don't assume. i "troll" in threads to see what i want to say and i don't put teams down. and an example of putting down would be: "V/M are stupid. Scott is a frail man for THAT tessa." now that's putting them down.

i am honestly questioning how a team can improve that much. i am sorry if i'm not as experienced as you, bigjohn. please don't take things so personally or...negativly. don't be going around, assuming.

i know my delobel and schoenfelder pride is possibly a "clue" to my "hatred" against virtue and moir, but it isn't.

you're wrong.

grow up. my opinion is my opinion. not yours. obviously they aren't the same, doesn't necessarily mean one is correct over the other.

so please. just keep assumptions to yourself.

here let me toss a compliment for your V/M: their spins are amazing i really do think so.

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i'd like to see this advancement as a definite threat to dom/sha.

I think, that Pechalat-Bourzat, Khohlova-Novitsky impruved there marks a lot from last season. Did they improved there skating a lot? Maybe yes, because judjes think so.
I really cant understand your problem - what you want? We all read your opinion and understand it. Del/Sh take there gold medal - all OK. What is bad for you? You think, that V/M must tane 10 place? OK. But why you talking about elements, if V/M have best technical elementes? They show best twizles (onle D/W was better), very clean steps, lifts and spin - what wrong with this elementes? I understand, you can talkin about transitions, presentation, choreo. But all teams have a strong and weak places in there skating. But for you all elements in V/M skating is bad - how it could be?.
 
V/M did not jump in the standings considering 3 of the teams ahead of them last year were not at this year's worlds and that would have put them into the top 3 spots. They ended up second because one of the teams ahead of them last year made a big error this year. So really the results were pretty much just the moving up process.
I remember some years back when a Fr team were 5th at the Olympics but came 2nd at worlds the same year and they really did not jump up the standings either. Just that the top teams from the Oympics didn't skate at worlds.

But this isn't the entire story -- if it were just a "train cars moving up" situation, Davis&White would have been in 4th place, rather than 6th, and V&M would have been placed behind B&A in the OD and FD.
 
But this isn't the entire story -- if it were just a "train cars moving up" situation, Davis&White would have been in 4th place, rather than 6th, and V&M would have been placed behind B&A in the OD and FD.

Well then I hope we are not thinking back fondly on the old way of doing things in ice dance, when teams had to wait their turn, smile big time even when they knew they had been robbed and brown-nose their way up the standings.

The new judging system is a big improvement on how things were done before. It actualy rewards what is happening on the ice. B-A fall in the CD: they get hammered. V-M miss a twizzle in the OD: they fall to 3rd place. V-M have the best FD: they win it.

Apart from a few fanatics on this site, I have heard no bad comments about these results. I am glad that there is finally movement in ice dance. Even when there was little, it was still fun to watch, but each year, the results had to be taken with a huge grain of salt.

Not any more. I believe that the sport is greater for that, and that it is a step in the right direction towards restoring credibility to all disciplines of figure skating.

You are right, this is not the entire story. There were multiple stories played out at these worlds. But two of those stories had to do with
1- a sport regaining credibility and
2- the arrival of V-M, an insanely talented young team.

You might say that V-M are all that, and a bag of chips.
 
bigjohn, i love how you highlight your opinion while putting other's down

oh...and my bad i guess my wording was not good enough for you
by push i meant the judges are really showing that this is a team the will rise...

and i love how you take things so offensively

:sheesh:

go celebrate your so-called "life" as you said that you have
 
"Virtue / Moir serve notice at worlds......"

See that? That's the topic. Try to stick to that in this thread please when you make your always valuable and undeniably positive inputs.

Thanks a million.
 
To BigJohn:
I don't think anyone on this thread is not informed about the topic. Some people are simply not sharing your opinion, and since this is a discussion forum,everyone may state his opinion,whether he agrees with you or not. Try to accept that different people have different views on the same topic. And try to be polite. Please.
 
To BigJohn:
I don't think anyone on this thread is not informed about the topic. Some people are simply not sharing your opinion, and since this is a discussion forum,everyone may state his opinion,whether he agrees with you or not. Try to accept that different people have different views on the same topic. And try to be polite. Please.

Hi there.

I just do not really see how statements like these:

"bigjohn, i love how you highlight your opinion while putting other's down...
oh...and my bad i guess my wording was not good enough for you ...
and i love how you take things so offensively...
go celebrate your so-called "life" as you said that you have "

That is what I meant by trying to stick to the topic. I't not about "Virtue / Moir serve notice at worlds......" at all as far as I am concerned. Pretty much derogatory comments about me. Would you not agree?
 
Whether they'll be the next T&D, we'll see. Although I think they WILL be perfectly fine just being THEMSELVES and not be compared to T&D.
However, I think you just sound AS laughable as BigJohn in your post by stating V&M will NEVER achieve this and that when they are actually only in their SECOND year in seniors and are only 18 and 20, respectively.

My english may be worse than I thought.
Did I say, whatsoever that they'll never achieve anything ?
I just said (I hope it came that way) that is was WAY to early to state anything like that. And that making a comparison to skaters who are legend for anyone a bit interrested in ice dance was just laughable and over the top.
 
Hi there.

I just do not really see how statements like these:

"bigjohn, i love how you highlight your opinion while putting other's down...
oh...and my bad i guess my wording was not good enough for you ...
and i love how you take things so offensively...
go celebrate your so-called "life" as you said that you have "

That is what I meant by trying to stick to the topic. I't not about "Virtue / Moir serve notice at worlds......" at all as far as I am concerned. Pretty much derogatory comments about me. Would you not agree?

Yeah, well, these comments were an answer to your's because one can easily get the impression that you don't respect what 1795 said and I can unerstand that 1795 feels a bit offensed about your tone. That's what I wanted to say.
 
Yeah, well, these comments were an answer to your's because one can easily get the impression that you don't respect what 1795 said and I can unerstand that 1795 feels a bit offensed about your tone. That's what I wanted to say.

So if I understand what you said properly, it is kind of OK to go for personnal attacks if one feels offended by somebody's tone.

I would prefere if we discussed about the topic rather than we discussed about the discussion.

Is that too much to ask?
 
So if I understand what you said properly, it is kind of OK to go for personnal attacks if one feels offended by somebody's tone.

I would prefere if we discussed about the topic rather than we discussed about the discussion.

Is that too much to ask?

No, it's not okay to go for personal attacks but I wouldn't consider it as a personal attack. Strangely, your tone has changed now that I mentioned it. That's all I'm asking for!
So now back to the topic!
 
Oh, guys, i think you will stop this - i understand, that all of you want to have last word - but maybe enough? :rofl:
 
Fact is in the world of off the ice dance there are some people who love Ballet and others who find it rather boring. Some who like Hip-Hop and others who hate it. Some who love modren and others who do not even consider it dance! In Ice Dance you have all these styles coming together at one time and that's why you have some who hate some teams and love others - but that doesn't make either style bad or good and the judges look at how well the dance is skated for whatever style it is.
 
I am so glad that some people are qustioning V/M. I have been watching them since they were juniors and never really gotten them. And yes, I have seen them in person. Great skating ability but quite boring in my opinion too. I thought that I was the only one who felt this way! I want excitement in Ice Dance! Personally, I like F/S this year much more! Now they made a huge improvement!:rock: And as for the original topic, Canadian ice skating articles are never the most objective.
 
I am so glad that some people are qustioning V/M. I have been watching them since they were juniors and never really gotten them. And yes, I have seen them in person. Great skating ability but quite boring in my opinion too. I thought that I was the only one who felt this way! I want excitement in Ice Dance! Personally, I like F/S this year much more! Now they made a huge improvement!:rock: And as for the original topic, Canadian ice skating articles are never the most objective.

I generally like Virtue/Moir, but I have to say as a young team, they pale in comparison to the talent of Silverstein and Pekarek. Those two were truly amazing, and I was so devasated when they broke up.....I think Virtue/Moir are good too, but they sure are being benefited by the new system. Without that in store, they would not have had the meteoric rise that they've been having. I believe Silverstein/Pekarek placed like 15th at their first worlds outing, despite that they were truly, truly outsanding.
 
At the moment I consider Tessa and Scott the best team. And I'm happy I've seen them skating live this last Worlds. I'm sure they'll continue to progress in the seasons to come, and that makes it even more exciting for me.

(an OT: My second favorite team is K/N now. I didn't really care, but they won me over in just 3 days).
 
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