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I've only seen Mao's LP via YouTube, and I must say her program seemed a little flat this time around. It was basically just jump, jump, jump...no real choreography there at all. I wasn't so sure about the program at TEB, but now I'm inclined to think the music doesn't do anything for her. To me, nothing in her performance bore any relation to the music whatsoever. Perhaps she's focusing too much on the jumps - that would explain why she looked winded at the end...her spins were so slow.

Still, kudos to her for being technically adventuresome...but where was the lutz?.

Although we perhaps may be referring to different things by "choreography", I myself feel that this is one of the most transition- and choreo-filled programs in the field. Many ppl have actually been worried about the program being too complicated because of the heavy volume of choreography and transitional footsteps. I love many of her transitional moves, such as the long spread eagles before the second 3A, choreos and steps going into the three jump combo, the salcow right after spirals, complicated steps going into 3T, and 2A right after 3T connected by a few steps. She has very few crossovers throughout the program. She only has some going into her most difficult jumps, the two 3As and 3F-3R (she missed 3R here though). I would not think that this program has nothing but jumps; it is actually quite contrary. TAT seems to have made it a lot more difficult than needed.

Regarding the connection to the music, perhaps we again may be talking about different ways of connecting to the music. To me, this is such a musical performance. I am amazed by the ways she keeps up to the difficult beats of the waltz and highlights the melody by her footworks. In particular, her straightline step sequence is very musical that accentuates every note of the music. This performance does not present as much "story" or drama as Yukari's, Ashley's, Akiko's, or Mirai's may do because the music is basically the same from the beginning to the end. Rather, this performance is like a ballroom dance (performed by a single though) in which I enjoy the superb musicality.
 
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I just love your commentary, Bennett. :biggrin: Thanks.

I'm not an expert on transitions, so I don't know if Mao does a lot of those. I don't mean to imply she just strokes around and does nothing but jumps. I guess when I mentioned choreography, I'm referring more to upper body movement? To me, most of Mao's movements, or lack thereof, didn't seem characteristic of the music at all. Just a lot of elements strung together. Her SP is different from the LP in this respect. The FS footwork sequence, to be honest, looked like the norm from most skaters: frantic and deliberately complicated.

I don't know, I seem to recall I rather liked Mao's LP at TEB. Maybe it's the crappy video quality on YouTube that is preventing me from picking up on any nuances in the program.
 
Wow, Mao is back! :clap: I'm so happy for her! What a performance! The choreography is still bland, but there're many nice transitions and it's such a difficult program. Way to go Mao!

Akiko really impressed me, Yukari is such a fighter! Japanese ladies are fantastic! Lady's event is the absolute highlight of this NHK trophy. :love:
 
As everyone's murdered in LP with edge calls and under-rotation calls,
(for some reason, I guess everyone decided to jump on a wrong edge after SP)
the questionable edge call on Flip has to be fixed somehow.
(just my opinion, but everyone with 3-turn entrance to flip got an edge call today?)
As far as the camera angle (this may be due to camera angle, again), I thought Mao also should have gotten at least !, but people I thought had inside edges somehow got e's.
Does anyone know if the judges changed the definition of "FLIP" to "LIP?"
 
I can already see the fans at either camp calling the other foul if one gets an edge call or underrotation and the other doesn't. Apples and oranges yet they have to be given scores. I enjoy them both.

ITA. A gorgeous Apple and a gorgeous orange. I feel happy that I am not a judge and I can enjoy both.:clap:

Rather, this performance is like a ballroom dance (performed by a single though) in which I enjoy the superb musicality.

ITA. Sure this choreography connects more to a particular snap shot of emotion at a ballroom than to the drama as a whole, and as such Mao showed sheer musicality, hitting notes, phrases, and intonations, particularly in her exquisite step sequence toward the end of the program. Non-stop movement builds up emotional intensity. I love it.
 
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Non-stop movement builds up emotional intensity. I love it.

Wow, a great way to put it. I agree. The repetitive phrases and moves build up such intensity. The step sequence makes the climax. Although this may not be a typical single's program, it is a great dance program.
 
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ITA. Sure this choreography connects more to a particular snap shot of emotion at a ballroom than to the drama as a whole, and as such Mao showed sheer musicality, hitting notes, phrases, and intonations, particularly in her exquisite step sequence toward the end of the program. Non-stop movement builds up emotional intensity. I love it.

ITA. It's waltz, not Romeo & Juliet. Looking at the protocols, Mao did (considering downgrades):
3A
2A+2T
3F+2Lo+2Lo
3S
3T
3F
2A

Got levels 3 and 4s for everything else and gets 64.25 TES. No 3-3, no maxed-out combo jump passes, I think if she just went straight for 2A+2T instead of getting the 3A downgraded, her TES would have even been at least a point higher. But that's just not Asada. And considering that she did the lower value jumps like 3S and 3T and left out her lovely 3R...okay, my head kind of aches from the choices she has.

I have some sneaky feeling that Asada's team is already planning for Vancouver and trying out as many permutations as possible to find one that suits her best when 2010 comes.

3S and 3T, long time coming. What could a jump layout for her possibly look like if you try to squeeze all the triples she can do?
3A
3F-3T
3R-2R-2R
3S
3F-3R (or a second 3F-3T?)
3Lz
2A (I totally forgot you can only repeat 2 types of triples =p)

Looks insane.
 
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I'm more concerned with SUZUKI's performance than anyone else. Considering this is her first GP, she did really good job:clap: I think she would score better if no mistake of her SP. What a pity that she has only one chance to perform in GP series.

Really sorry for WAGNER, I thought she might have a chance to appear in GPF after watching her SP:cry:
 
wow! amazing Mao strikes again. I can't believe that she did not hit 200 with that program, but she must be so happy. This is so strange that she did a whole freeskate without a 3 lutz and still won. Only Mao could replace a 3 lutz with a 3 axel.
I am glad she proved all those haters that she can do a salchow..... beautifully.:clap::clap::bow::bow:


Sad that Miriai's struggles continue. Our all-star cast of ladies isn't looking so all-star anymore.
 
And more of Yu-Na being dragged into this thread when she's totally unrelated to this event and Mao...can't the Yu-Na bunnies put a sock in it for once? Makes me think they secretly believe Mao is the superior skater, or they are threatened by her - if they're convinced Yu-Na is better, they wouldn't feel the need to tear Mao down so much. And it is tearing down, no matter how pathetically they try to disguise it.
Oh yeah, I hate when Yu-Na's fans come up with conspiracy theories like this:
Looks like they did their best to prevent Asada to surpass Kim's score on paper. I had a feeling this is not NHK but SBS Trophy in reality. Anyway she will make every effort to avoid nitpickings in Seoul. I can't wait for the showdown. Landing a clean 3S is another accomplishment.
:unsure:

I thought it was one Mao fan who dragged yu na into discusion by saying judges tried best to prevent mao from breaking yu na's season best score. If I am wrong, let me know.
It was pretty dumb stuff but it was just single Mao fan anyway, so I don't understand why you are trying to fan the flame when there wasn't much fire to begin with.

Also if it is mainly complaint about judges' decision, I won't call it "tear down". If that's the case, nobody gets as much "tear down" as Kostner and I think most posters made it clear they have nothing aginst Kostner even they hardly agree to her score.
:clap: Thank you for setting the record straight calmly and not trying to instigate any false allegations.

:agree: I am a fan of both YuNa and Mao too.
:rock: Same here! There must be a name for fans like us because we do exist! We appreciate both of these talented ladies and can enjoy both of their skating without tearing down the other.
 
I'm more concerned with SUZUKI's performance than anyone else. Considering this is her first GP, she did really good job:clap: I think she would score better if no mistake of her SP. What a pity that she has only one chance to perform in GP series.

Having just watched Suzuki's LP, I second this. It was so refreshing to see her skate, she has an exciting fiery style to the music. Just wow.
 
This was actually a thrilling competition. Probably my number one or two event for the ladies. Yukari and Akiko were neck and neck and it was pretty nerve-wracking watching the 2 ladies after them perform because I wanted Yukari in the finals. And then the grand finish with Mao and her 3A's was :love: !

I like Laura, popped jumps and all, and I think Ashley is probably our (the U.S.) second best chance right now, but I’m not going to lie… I was relieved to see them falter so Yukari could make the final.

I think I felt my heart break into tiny pieces with every passing second of Mirai's LP. :cry: I feel the less I say, the faster my heart can mend. Oh Mirai! OTL
 
I've just seen Suzuki and Nakano's LPs on YouTube.

Suzuki: Literally the first time I've ever seen her. At first, I thought she was that Japanese skater who medalled alongside Mirai and Rachael at some junior event. Then I realized Suzuki looks too old to be that girl :laugh: - quite a surprise to see a competitor born in 1985. She looks to be solid with nice jumps; her jumps remind me a lot of Mirai's in that they're both very straight and upright upon entry and throughout. The 2A-3T looked clean to my untrained eyes. I'd probably have enjoyed the program more if not for the music - I can't stand "Dark Eyes" when played sharply and with strings. I didn't like it when Nastia Liukin used a similar version, either. Sasha's version was at least more traditional and had sass.

Nakano: As ever, I'm not crazy about the leg wrap, but there's no denying she's a consistent competitor. There's a steadiness and confidence to her skating. Her "Giselle" actually has some choreography, most of it enjoyable, and in direct contrast to Mao's LP. If she can get the 3A consistent, I see her as a serious medal threat to both Yu-Na and Mao should they slip up.

If you had asked me right now who are the most serious contenders for the 2010 Olympic podium in the ladies' event, I would have presented a list of this season's GPF qualifiers, completely unchanged.
 
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Well, too bad for Ashley, but I kind of saw it coming. The result is not surprising at all. At least she didn't implode.

As for Nagasu, I think she just had a bad comp. Happens to everyone. She held her own at SA. I'm not too concerned. But it is going to be tough to defend that National title.

Overall impressions this season: YAAAAAAWWWWWNNNN

This is one I won't even bother to watch. I find myself watching less and less actual skating as the season goes on, strangely. (or not so strangely??)
 
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I have to agree that Asada's presentation was uninspiring. She didn't have the flow and the speed that I usually associate with her. The skating didn't look effortless. I don't like the music and her costume. I prefer Kim's presentation this year.


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I have some sneaky feeling that Asada's team is already planning for Vancouver and trying out as many permutations as possible to find one that suits her best when 2010 comes.

3S and 3T, long time coming. What could a jump layout for her possibly look like if you try to squeeze all the triples she can do?
Well, Asada had a lot of positives at TEB which some overlooked. She still had her athleticism as demonstrated by her 3A and she had her good presentation. On top of that, her lutz pre-rotation was lessed and she got credit for a 3S and solo 3T. Today Asada built on that. It's got to be worrisome to the Asada haters that she completed her 3As again, got 3Lz with no edge call, and got positive GoE on her 3S and 3T. Her 1st 3A wasn't her best IMO and was overscored. Her 2nd 3A wasn't as good as her 1st, but I thought that it had plenty of clearance to avoid the downgrade, so IMO it was heavily underscored. Odd that she totally left out the 3R in combination with the 3F. And she is still having problems getting level 4 on her spirals.


3A
3F-3T
3R-2R-2R
3S
3F-3R (or a second 3F-3T?)
3Lz
2A (I totally forgot you can only repeat 2 types of triples =p)

Looks insane.
Better to get in the habit of associating the toe loop with the axel and the loop with the flip. With her momentum, I can easily imagine her going for:

3A
3F-3R
2A
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3A-2T
3A
3F-3R-2R
2A-3T
3Lz
3F or 3R
3S
 
Overall impressions this season: YAAAAAAWWWWWNNNN
Really?? I don't know how anyone can yawn at two 3A attempts in one program, with at least one of them being successful.

It looks like these fans were truly excited and impressed
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/059UaWCeQCdyQ/610x.jpg

Maybe if the top international skaters were from the U.S....

Ladies medals
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/02ddejNf4udcW/610x.jpg
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06LG7SJgc62Qi/610x.jpg
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09bqeZ45Yy87o/610x.jpg

Awww
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/089q89FcaLf31/610x.jpg

For more photos from the competition: http://www.daylife.com/search?q=nhk+trophy

BTW, I hate the photos with distorted faces from the skaters. I feel the photographers should have better discretion when printing those unflattering pictures.
 
Well, I thought the competition here was great. Lots to cheer for - Akiko's comeback, Yukari's good skate, Lepistö finally landing her triple lutz, and of course Mao's amazing skate. I really enjoyed it.

Just because the US ladies aren't doing well doesn't mean the competition is bad.
 

Thanks for the pics. One thing strikes me: Asada is really going for that typical FS glam look. She looks very different here than I'm used to seeing from her. And she looks very happy, good for her. :agree:
 
Although we perhaps may be referring to different things by "choreography", I myself feel that this is one of the most transition- and choreo-filled programs in the field. Many ppl have actually been worried about the program being too complicated because of the heavy volume of choreography and transitional footsteps. I love many of her transitional moves, such as the long spread eagles before the second 3A, choreos and steps going into the three jump combo, the salcow right after spirals, complicated steps going into 3T, and 2A right after 3T connected by a few steps. She has very few crossovers throughout the program. She only has some going into her most difficult jumps, the two 3As and 3F-3R (she missed 3R here though). I would not think that this program has nothing but jumps; it is actually quite contrary. TAT seems to have made it a lot more difficult than needed.

Regarding the connection to the music, perhaps we again may be talking about different ways of connecting to the music. To me, this is such a musical performance. I am amazed by the ways she keeps up to the difficult beats of the waltz and highlights the melody by her footworks. In particular, her straightline step sequence is very musical that accentuates every note of the music. This performance does not present as much "story" or drama as Yukari's, Ashley's, Akiko's, or Mirai's may do because the music is basically the same from the beginning to the end. Rather, this performance is like a ballroom dance (performed by a single though) in which I enjoy the superb musicality.
:clap: I'd give that post a "personal best," except that you already have so many good ones! :yes:

Another thing about choreography is that, to me, the jumps were incorporated into the program quite seamlessly. Instead of saying, here is the choreography, now here are the jumps, I thought the program had a nice structural integrity.

For my taste, I still found the music too relentless in its drive. I don't know about Mao, but I was exhausted by the end of the performance (no wonder I fell down going into my closing pose! :laugh: )

shallwedancu said:
Great human interest shot of proud teacher and happy star!
 
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If Mao hadn't been called for under rotation, how many points would her 3A-2T combination have been worth?
 
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