Ladies LP

[kyla2]

More Thoughts...

Dipyramdole, I didn't say Yu Na was like Michelle, but that she was a worthy successor. However, now that you bring it up, she is like Kwan in many respects the way she incorporates choreography and movement into her program. Yu Na will go down as one of the greats.Yu Na was in her own league this competition.

Mao needs a good lutz, triple axel and a clean program to compete with her. She is also a brilliant skater and quite capable of beating Yu Na. She skated a good LP and I was proud of her. She tried to fight back with another triple axel and that was a worthy effort on her part. She didn't just give up.

Joannie didn't have a great LP skate but a good one, enough to hold second. She always has consistency problems with her LP. However, I love her skating. Her presentation and style is unique and a welcome addition. You know you are watching a grown up. She has improved tremendously and that deserves alot of respect. She is also toned to the max.

Miki was a delight. I love her toughness and fight. I am so glad she got third. She deserved it. Love her jumps. She does nothing badly.

Carolina Kostner, did the expected. She has speed and not much else in my opinion. I consider her a refigerator break. She doesn't improve and her presentation is a snore.

Rachael was great. What a fantastic placement for her first World's. She will be a force to be reckoned with next year. She has such a cute personality. Her face just lights up when she smiles.

Alissa, a gorgeous skater who will always have problems with her jumps. But I will take her over others any day of the week because of the beauty of her skating.

It was fantastic seeing Michelle. She looks like a million dollars. I would love to see her skating again but I think seeing her at the Olympics is unrealistic. However, if it should happen, no one will be happier than me.

 

[amateur]

I remember when she doubled the loop think "oh, no, not going to medal." When the last lutz wasn't clean, and she has been doing to perfectly all season I was positive she would end up in 4th. She thought so and threw in that extra salchow at the very end, after her usual 2 axel/ 2 axel. I guess that is what did if for her. I do have to say that her use of the music was excellent, comprable to yu-na and the nice touches she puts in...the split jumps, the use of arms....I don't have a beef with her being on the podium, just surprised. I would have had mao in 2nd, joannie in 3rd.

Thanks for your answer. I'm wondering about the general crowd response to Joannie, if you have anything to say about that; on the broadcast it sounded quite subdued. I didn't hear much reaction to some of the choreographic highlights in the 2nd half which appeard well skated and have gotten good reactions all season long (though she did get to skate in Canada quite a few times this season, And then Korea for the GPF was the next best thing...),
Miki Ando, on the contrary, the audience seemed to warm up to as she went along, ultimately givng her the Standing O for being clean and dynamic, I guess.

 

[R.D.]

I think this is the 5th year in a row where the reigning world champ didn't make the podium:

2005 - Shizuka placed 9th
2006 - Irina wasn't there
2007 - Kimmie placed 4th
2008 - Miki withdrew
2009 - Mao placed 4th

Holy crap. You can thank the Cop for that one!

 

[Mathman]

If Yu-na Kim were a man...

Men get an extra 25% bonus multiplier (compared to ladies) on their PCSs. If Kim had skated in the men's eent, elevating her PCSs by 25% to be consistent with men's scoring, she would have scored 236.44.

Darn, she just missed the podium in fourth place.

But wait -- the men get 8 jumping passes instead of 7. So it all comes down to what Kim does with her eighth jumping pass. If she does a simple 2A, this brings her up to 236.94 and she gets the bronze, ahead of Joubert.

If she could manage another triple flip instead of the 2A, now she has 237.94. She gets silver ahead of Chan.

Can she get gold? She would need something like an extra 3Lz+3T to bring her up to 242.94 and beat Lysacek. This is probably a little bit unrealistic, so Kim probably has to settle for silver or bronze.

Oh well, there is always next year!

 

[krenseby]

I think this is the 5th year in a row where the reigning world champ didn't make the podium:

2005 - Shizuka placed 9th
2006 - Irina wasn't there
2007 - Kimmie placed 4th
2008 - Miki withdrew
2009 - Mao placed 4th

There's a very strong possibiity that this trend will continue at next year's Worlds. If Kim Yu-Na wins the Olympics, she will likely not show up for the post-Olympic Worlds.

 

[krenseby]

Men get an extra 25% bonus multiplier (compared to ladies) on their PCSs. If Kim had skated in the men's eent, elevating her PCSs by 25% to be consistent with men's scoring, she would have scored 236.44.

Darn, she just missed the podium in fourth place.

But wait -- the men get 8 jumping passes instead of 7. So it all comes down to what Kim does with her eighth jumping pass. If she does a simple 2A, this brings her up to 236.94 and she gets the bronze, ahead of Joubert.

If she could manage another triple flip instead of the 2A, now she has 237.94. She gets silver ahead of Chan.

Can she get gold? She would need something like an extra 3Lz+3T to bring her up to 242.94 and beat Lysacek. This is probably a little bit unrealistic, so Kim probably has to settle for silver or bronze.

Oh well, there is always next year!

Mathman, do you think Patrick is the kind of a boy that would be ashamed of being beaten by a girl?

Brian Joubert probably wouldn't handle it well, as for Patrick, not sure.

 

[flying camel]

What a great night of skating. I am so sad its all over. I want some more.

Kim: She was good and confident. But she needs to work on all her in betweens. But if you keep getting those hight marks, the judges are saying your're doing everything right. The spirals and Layback spin all need work. All in all I think she skated the best, but it wasn't as good as it could be. But she is defintely the want to beat for the Olympic Gold.

Joannie: It wasn't her best skate, but their were no big glowing errors. She was good. I think all who come to Vancouver better bring their A game because the Canadians are very knowledgeable when it comes to skating. If Joannie skates well and the others faulter and are placed above her. Everyone better leave the building, that's all I can say. But I was so happy for Joannie. Her choreography was fantastic. This is the first program of her's that I enjoyed. Joannie has truly perserved. This is her seventh Worlds. It doesn't happen over night for some. Some people take a long road to the podium. ( Alissa)

Mao: It wasn't a bad performance. But there was basically no choreography from her or Miki. They just do a bunch of crossovers into the jumps. Poor Miki looked like she had a hump in her back while doing those crossovers.

Flatt: She has improved a 100% since I saw her earlier this year at Skate America. It was a very good decision to change her LP back to last year. I do feel somebody from her team is reading this board. She made a lot of changes that we were suggesting. She was so beautiful to watch. I have a feeling this is just the beginning for her.

Alissa: She did over come some of her demons to skate a good LP. The missing of the 13 is very disappointing, but oh well. It will be very difficult for her to make the team next year. I don't think she will be able to skate into the top 2 with so many errors. Everyone will be chasing her and fighing for those 2 spots. I think the fight is there she just needs to bring it.

 

[rchen3]

I know Carolina isn't going to win and she probably had that mindset but don't threw away your competition. What for? At least put some effort.

If that's her mindset, she should be ashamed of herself. Did Candice Didier have a hope to win a medal? NO. yet after a painful fall, she went back on ice and skated her heart out. why? because she wanted to show the audience the rest of her program! To have a altitude of that of Knoster to literally take a walk on ice as the 2nd last skater on the show is a insult to the audience who have paid to come to see the performance. Each skater is obligated to give their best even if they will get no medal. This is called 'sportsmanship'. If that's what Kostner did, she has no sportsmanship, and deserves no respect as a person.

 

[Hikaru]

Men get an extra 25% bonus multiplier (compared to ladies) on their PCSs. If Kim had skated in the men's eent, elevating her PCSs by 25% to be consistent with men's scoring, she would have scored 236.44.

Darn, she just missed the podium in fourth place.

But wait -- the men get 8 jumping passes instead of 7. So it all comes down to what Kim does with her eighth jumping pass. If she does a simple 2A, this brings her up to 236.94 and she gets the bronze, ahead of Joubert.

If she could manage another triple flip instead of the 2A, now she has 237.94. She gets silver ahead of Chan.

Can she get gold? She would need something like an extra 3Lz+3T to bring her up to 242.94 and beat Lysacek. This is probably a little bit unrealistic, so Kim probably has to settle for silver or bronze.

Oh well, there is always next year!

I loved those scenarios, very well MM!

 

[amateur]

Mathman, do you think Patrick is the kind of a boy that would be ashamed of being beaten by a girl?

Brian Joubert probably wouldn't handle it well, as for Patrick, not sure.

:chorus:

I don't think Patrick would be really really indignant over such a thing, to the extent of Joubert ("But she can't do a quad!"), but it would bug him and stoke his fire a bit more, I bet. And he'd probably say so to the media, with a bit of a chuckle!

I would rather like to see Joubert vs. Ando, with quads from both ;-)

 

[Tinymavy15]

Thanks for your answer. I'm wondering about the general crowd response to Joannie, if you have anything to say about that; on the broadcast it sounded quite subdued. I didn't hear much reaction to some of the choreographic highlights in the 2nd half which appeard well skated and have gotten good reactions all season long (though she did get to skate in Canada quite a few times this season, And then Korea for the GPF was the next best thing...),
Miki Ando, on the contrary, the audience seemed to warm up to as she went along, ultimately givng her the Standing O for being clean and dynamic, I guess.

I did feel like the audience was not 100% behind her. I think they were all waiting for yu-na. Whenever the latter made an apperance...even waiting to get on the ice for warm up the crowd could not be calmed down. I might as well have been in Korea!
Joannie got a big hand when she was introduced, and after her first lutz, but other than that , I agree that that most people seemed to lose interest somewhat.

on another note, mao got a big hand for the triple axel, but also the audience did not seem to love her.

 

[fumie_fumie]

Thanks for your answer. I'm wondering about the general crowd response to Joannie, if you have anything to say about that; on the broadcast it sounded quite subdued. I didn't hear much reaction to some of the choreographic highlights in the 2nd half which appeard well skated and have gotten good reactions all season long (though she did get to skate in Canada quite a few times this season, And then Korea for the GPF was the next best thing...),
Miki Ando, on the contrary, the audience seemed to warm up to as she went along, ultimately givng her the Standing O for being clean and dynamic, I guess.

I think Jo has a way of going about her business quietly in her LP, squeezing out as many points as possible, while doing it. And the audience may or may not notice all the subtleties she presented. Jo I think is somewhat an introverted skater.

On the contrary, Miki's music is suitable for bravado skates, which she was able to pull off last night. With Miki's music, it is a lot easier to draw the audience in to a program. On superficial level, Miki is gorgeous, and people can be more receptive to her skates.

I did feel like the audience was not 100% behind her. I think they were all waiting for yu-na. Whenever the latter made an apperance...even waiting to get on the ice for warm up the crowd could not be calmed down. I might as well have been in Korea!

yes. I do remember a korea poster saying on Yu-na Kim forum that Jo's program is boring. I think they prefer entertaining programs with big jumps more.

 

[R.D.]

If that's her mindset, she should be ashamed of herself. Did Candice Didier have a hope to win a medal? NO. yet after a painful fall, she went back on ice and skated her heart out. why? because she wanted to show the audience the rest of her program! To have a altitude of that of Knoster to literally take a walk on ice as the 2nd last skater on the show is a insult to the audience who have paid to come to see the performance. Each skater is obligated to give their best even if they will get no medal. This is called 'sportsmanship'. If that's what Kostner did, she has no sportsmanship, and deserves no respect as a person.

Well, this is a competition, which would go on regardless of whether there was an audience or not. If it was a show, then ITA with you. But I have the mindset that the competitors don't particularly owe the audience anything- they're there to compete, and win or place top 10 or whatever their personal goal might be.

It's not even like a basketball or baseball game where I'd feel the home team should at least give their best effort to beat the visiting team. In skating it's different- maybe Team USA should give their best showing or something, but other than that...

 

[amateur]

I did feel like the audience was not 100% behind her. I think they were all waiting for yu-na. Whenever the latter made an apperance...even waiting to get on the ice for warm up the crowd could not be calmed down. I might as well have been in Korea!
Joannie got a big hand when she was introduced, and after her first lutz, but other than that , I agree that that most people seemed to lose interest somewhat.

on another note, mao got a big hand for the triple axel, but also the audience did not seem to love her.

So why do you think they did manage to warm up to Ando more? Just a matter of explosive, flowing jumps, and a clean skate? Was Joannie's musicality just lost on people, or did Ando do something better to grab their interest? Or were they just letting some energy out because Yu-Na was next?

ETA: thanks for your opinion, fumie_fumie (by the way, I would like to have seen Fumie higher in the standings! she skated quite well!)

 

[katymay]

Rachel was fine. Unfortunately, it was Czisny who sank the ship from the get-go

I'm not sure it matters. Does the US really have three women who would contend for a medal next year? Rachel Flatt, and perhaps Mirai will, I hope, be top ten. Zhang does really nice contortion moves, and Cohen-same thing-but flutzing and tiny UR jumps are getting slammed by the judges. Another trend is to reward speed-Caroline is slow.
I think Rachel did as well as any US skater could have done, this year OR next year.

 

[Eurofan]

rchen3's comment on Kostner seems unnecessarily harsh. I think that Kostner would benefit from a coaching change. As would Dytrt, Verner, and Kovalevsky. They all train with Huth and they all have jump/confidence issues. That can't be a coincidence, IMO.

 

[herios]

I actually thought Kimmie would be a gold contender for many years to come in 2006. Also miss Sasha Cohen.

You can watch her on SOI

 

[figuristka]

I did feel like the audience was not 100% behind her. I think they were all waiting for yu-na. Whenever the latter made an apperance...even waiting to get on the ice for warm up the crowd could not be calmed down. I might as well have been in Korea!
Joannie got a big hand when she was introduced, and after her first lutz, but other than that , I agree that that most people seemed to lose interest somewhat.

on another note, mao got a big hand for the triple axel, but also the audience did not seem to love her.

It was suppost to be like that in 4cc, and would be at Olympics. Iam sure Yu Na will have the most support from the audience even when its not in korea, though with Joannie getting a silver at 4cc and now at Worlds having slightly less obvious support didnt seem to hurt her. Hopefully this does not affect Mao but the crowd seemed very appreciative when she did a 3 axel.

 

[wonderlen3000]

Way to go Miki. I think Rochett SP score almost 68 without a 3+3 was little bit over score thou. Her 3Lz+2T was just off with bad air position even thou she landed cleanly. I will have give her 65-66 for her SP.

Miki was on fire. Even thou Yuna win, her LP was just fire craker. She was pulling Carolina speed and landing those jumps. Rochett was almost clean, aside from the 2Lo and small step out, but it lacks her ususal speed and she was little bit tentative.

Mao. I'm shock that she will be off the podium. Hope she had a better program for next year. Maybe she should go back to her old coach.

Carolina. I'm speech less. This is her worst FS yet. Interesting about what PJ said, the first two jumps is really important for her and if she bomb those two jumps, well you can kindda tell the program is going down hill.

 

[flying camel]

Well Carolina skated in the most difficult position of the night. It's unfortunate that she collasped. But she will handle that position better next year if she has to skate after Yu - Na.