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Congrats to everyone! :yahoo:

I think the placements of the top 3 will help all of them in their own little ways. Big confidence booster for Nathan and puts him in as a contender for worlds. Yuzu can take his second and use it to motivate him for worlds even more, it also helps take pressure off him a little. Shoma showed he can and beautifully land a 4Lo and make him hungry as well to do well at worlds with his new weapon.
 
This just mean Yuzuru has not peaked yet. Yuzuru would be going to the Worlds as the underdog for the Gold. Less pressure for him. Hopefully he can produce a Sei-Mei-level H&G before the season ends.

So another 4 weeks for the final competition of this season.

One Silver medal doesn't make him the Underdog. He is still very much the Favourite. He made an uncharacteristical mistake in the Short. That's why he lost, and he's lost before with too many mistakes. He is not unbeatable, we know that. Only if he's clean.
 
Congratulations to all the medalists!! The event was soo exciting!!

I'm so proud of Yuzuru!! He is such a fighter (as always) and full of ability, I don't even know how many times he amazed me :bow: Silver medal again at 4CC but this competition must mean a lot to him considering the next season. I just hope he won't overtrain before the Worlds ;)
 
I hope they are not hyping Nathan like crazy after this.

Haven't you noticed these commercials yet? Of course their hyping him. He's going to be the face of the US Olympic promotions. That started the moment he landed that 4S in nationals.
 
Well Boyang this year has something called choreography and in-betweens which where clearly lost on Nathan. Enlightened me on where that 10+ difference in their component scores came from because there isn't much in the way of a program other than a few handraising.

Boyang Jin is a cart-before-the-horse type of skater. Fans can keep trying to compare Jin to Nathan, but there is no comparison. As Jin showed in this competition, he struggles to land all of his jumps cleanly and he's clueless in regard to knowing how to actually skate to the music. Talk about someone moving around the ice mainly focused on the jumps, that's Boyang. Yes, Chinese fed has paid for helpers to work with Jin on improving his presentation skills, which turns out to be more mugging than anything else. I think that Jin is a charming fellow with charisma and good rotating abilities, but he's not close to being a great skater with superb skating skills and capacity for artistic growth.

What is being asked of skaters today is tremendously difficult: cramming humongous tech into 5-minute programs along with skating beautifully to the music, and exhibiting wonderful blade skills. Patrick is the only skater with unmatched blade skills. Boyang can continue to work on his skating and presentation, because he needs to, but he still gets loads of points just on reputation of jumping ability whether or not he lands his jumps cleanly, whether or not he's trying to improve artistically. The sport is clearly out of whack on a number of levels, but the message is rather clear about the quads. That's what the sport wants, and they don't care so much if you are an exquisite all-around skater like Jason Brown who actually deserves even higher PCS for the quality of his skating (regardless of what haters think).

If skaters have the quad rep, judges will recognize them more and their PCS will rise. There's no question that Nathan already has a fine level of artistic ability, which comes across even more in his exhibitions. If you can't see the difference between Nathan's better feel for the music and his greater movement quality and command over the ice (than Jin can ever hope to have), then you can't see it and nothing I say will allow you to see it.

IMO, Jin and a lot of skaters need to go back to the basics and learn figures like Patrick Chan was raised on. Even Nathan could benefit from learning figures. But please stop with trying to categorize Nathan with Boyang Jin. Nathan has already surpassed Boyang in jumping ability and quad repertoire. And Nathan even as a junior skater was already way ahead of Boyang in terms of efficient jump technique, skating skills, musicality and graceful expressiveness.
 
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I'm pretty sure he was going for the 2S-1lo-4S, but probably didn't have enough speed and so gave up. Shoulda have done the 3S instead but I think he wanted the 4S and didn't think alternatively.

I think in the K&C he was telling Brian that he was gonna add more after the 4S but felt tired(?)
 
Well I was bored and I'm sure there's like at least one other person in here that would care...

Steps + spins
Jason 23.17 (9.4/13.77)
Yuzuru 22.06 (9.2/12.86)
Shoma 21.99 (9.0/12.99 highest STSQ: 5.9)
Patrick 21.51 (9.5/12.01)
Nathan 21.18 (8.9/12.28)
Grant 19.59 (8.0/11.59)
Misha 18.11 (8.0/10.11)
Han 18.01 (7.2/10.81)
Boyang 17.05 (6.53/10.52)
Nam 16.93 (6.4/10.53)

Also, I have to correct from earlier, actually Patrick had the highest step sequence totals and Shoma had the highest Stsq4. Jason has the highest spins, but that doesn't probably surprise anyone.

I'll do a jump break down later....speaking of which...where is Geek on Ice...I miss her!
 
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look... i am sympathetic... i know yuzu came through a lot... but so did Nathan... hip surgery is huge...
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these guys skate through pain, all of them, for the same reason... let's celebrate all of them and not make a shopping list of who has been going through what... they are all bruised and they all need our love...

And in which way please was I trying to make a shopping list of who had the worst injuries or something? Did I relate that to any other competitor? :confused:
I brought it up because people mentioned the 4S and that maybe he should be doing the 4T instead. It's something I'm reading very often, and it's an understandable argument as itself - except for, as I said, the injury thing. I didn't write any of that to get anybodys sympathy, to apply for brownie points or whatever. I know that every skater goes through a lot, and I admire them all for pulling through the way they do. But I don't see how that's related to what I wrote.

(If what bugs you is that I tried to make clear how serious the injury is - yeah, I do that, because I have heard several people treating these injuries like they were just excuses. With Yuzu, and with others, and I hate it being done with any skater.)
 
Well I was bored and I'm sure there's like at least one other person in here that would care...

Steps + spins
Jason 23.17 (9.4/13.77)
Yuzuru 22.06 (9.2/12.86)
Shoma 21.99 (9.0/12.99)
Patrick 21.51 (9.5/12.01)
Nathan 21.18 (8.9/12.28)
Grant 19.59 (8.0/11.59)
Misha 18.11 (8.0/10.11)
Han 18.01 (7.2/10.81)
Boyang 17.05 (6.53/10.52)
Nam 16.93 (6.4/10.53)

Also, I have to correct from earlier, actually Patrick had the highest step sequence totals and Shoma had the highest Stsq4. Jason has the highest spins, but that doesn't probably surprise anyone.

I'll do a jump break down later....speaking of which...where is Geek on Ice...I miss her!
In mourning for Mura's absence from Team Japan. :( --I thought Keiji was getting the hang of his nerves but he popped so many jumps this time. It's sad.
 
They totally are. Nathan fans seem to be seeing things no one else sees. According to them all the judges are wrong and biased and being robbed in PCS scores while Patrick and now Yuzu are just being inflated because...reasons.

:scratch2::palmf:

I don't think Nathan is Baryshnikov, John Curry, or Robin Cousins, but do I think the fix was in that Yuzuru was robbed? No. He and Patrick rightfully have a cushion because of they have fewer weaknesses. However, they open the door when they make mistakes. Nathan being second in the free but winning overall is completely defensible. We all know that judging is a mess but the overall result seems right.
 
Haven't you noticed these commercials yet? Of course their hyping him. He's going to be the face of the US Olympic promotions. That started the moment he landed that 4S in nationals.

I knew they were hyping him. I wasn't sure if the hype will go out of control after this.
 
Haven't you noticed these commercials yet? Of course their hyping him. He's going to be the face of the US Olympic promotions. That started the moment he landed that 4S in nationals.

They needed a new face since Gracie bombed an entire season. Nathan gave them what they wanted.
 
Well I was bored and I'm sure there's like at least one other person in here that would care...

Steps + spins
Jason 23.17 (9.4/13.77)
Yuzuru 22.06 (9.2/12.86)
Shoma 21.99 (9.0/12.99 highest STSQ: 5.9)
Patrick 21.51 (9.5/12.01)
Nathan 21.18 (8.9/12.28)
Grant 19.59 (8.0/11.59)
Misha 18.11 (8.0/10.11)
Han 18.01 (7.2/10.81)
Boyang 17.05 (6.53/10.52)
Nam 16.93 (6.4/10.53)

Also, I have to correct from earlier, actually Patrick had the highest step sequence totals and Shoma had the highest Stsq4. Jason has the highest spins, but that doesn't probably surprise anyone.

I'll do a jump break down later....speaking of which...where is Geek on Ice...I miss her!

Wasn't she a big Mura fan? I must admit I really missed Mura here when I saw Keiji skate. Too bad the team is decided already.

Nathan vs. Boyang is still the topic because it's a similar thing. They both arrive on the senior scene with an arsenal of quads. Why is Boyang far behind now? Because he is not american and the Chinese fed doesn't know how to support their single skaters. Look at Zijun. Of course, Nathan is better than Jin in some areas, but nationality plays a part.
 
Jason has the highest spins, but that doesn't probably surprise anyone.

I would have been surprised if they judges hadn't given him the highest spins. However, since that didn't happen, at least this is right in the skating world, even if we can't agree on anything else. :biggrin:

At least, I think most people should agree.......:confused2:
 
Boyang Jin is a cart-before-the-horse type of skater. Fans can keep trying to compare Jin to Nathan, but there is no comparison. As Jin showed in this competition, he struggles to land all of his jumps cleanly and he's clueless in regard to knowing how to actually skate to the music. Talk about someone moving around the ice mainly focused on the jumps, that's Boyang. Yes, Chinese fed has paid for helpers to work with Jin on improving his presentation skills, which turns out to be more mugging than anything else. I think that Jin is a charming fellow with charisma and good rotating abilities, but he's not close to being a great skater with superb skating skills and capacity for artistic growth.

What is being asked of skaters today is tremendously difficult: cramming humongous tech into 5-minute programs along with skating beautifully to the music, and exhibiting wonderful blade skills. Patrick is the only skater with unmatched blade skills. Boyang can continue to work on his skating and presentation, because he needs to, but he still gets loads of points just on reputation of jumping ability whether or not he lands his jumps cleanly, whether or not he's trying to improve artistically. The sport is clearly out of whack on a number of levels, but the message is rather clear about the quads. That's what the sport wants, and they don't care so much if you are an exquisite all-around skater like Jason Brown who actually deserves even higher PCS for the quality of his skating (regardless of what haters think).

If skaters have the quad rep, judges will recognize them more and their PCS will rise. There's no question that Nathan already has a fine level of artistic ability, which comes across even more in his exhibitions. If you can't see the difference between Nathan's better feel for the music and his greater movement quality and command over the ice (than Jin can ever hope to have), then you can't see it and nothing I say will allow you to see it.

IMO, Jin and a lot of skaters need to go back to the basics and learn figures like Patrick Chan was raised on. Even Nathan could benefit from learning figures. But please stop with trying to categorize Nathan with Boyang Jin. Nathan has already surpassed Boyang in jumping ability and quad repertoire. And Nathan even as a junior skater was already way ahead of Boyang in terms of efficient jump technique, skating skills, musicality and graceful expressiveness.

I think the difference is apparent just from watching them skating from one side of the rink to the other. Boyang is very charming but he has bad posture and if he's not doing something like snapping his fingers his hands are a mess. If you want the judges to release those higher scores you need more polish or something to compensate for it.
 
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I do think Nathans FS is more complete/packaged better than Boyang's and his interpretation is better, but Boyang has improved a lot from last year :)
I really hope he can get his jumps together to contend for the podium at worlds

Also, Chen is simply a better skater with a much stronger carriage and holds the tension in his body throughout with no break of the lines, much greater ease and fluidity of movement, as well as fluidity and solidity in the edging. Yes, the FS is pretty empty until the step sequence, but his fundamentals are just much stronger than Jin's, and it counts for something.
 
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All you Yuzu fans, such NATHAN HAAATERSSS!!! :rolleye:

Y'all would criticize Nathan even if he was clean. :rolleye:

Now we know Nathan has arrived. Haters gonna hate. This is going to turn into epic bias comments like past posts of Yuna vs Mao lol Next season's technical is going to be insane.
 
They totally are. Nathan fans seem to be seeing things no one else sees. According to them all the judges are wrong and biased and being robbed in PCS scores while Patrick and now Yuzu are just being inflated because...reasons.

You are inventing things about Nathan's fans and what they are thinking. Please don't do that. It makes you sound very bitter, but worse, it's spreading false stuff about other human beings.

And I didn't notice many Nathan Chen fans questioning the judging in this competition.
 
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