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... Not taking anything away from Nathan, but that seems all his fans can concentrate on, is how many quads he landed. That's not saying much about his skating if that's all you can think of...

Then you haven't read any of my posts about Nathan. He is giving the sport what it's asking for the men to do re quads, and then some. He's got great technique learned from his coach, Rafael. Plus, he's a fierce competitor who can rise to the occasion. And Nathan has wonderful musicality, along with ballet training in his background. He has wonderful presence on the ice, and he has some good aesthetic qualities, which are on greater display in his exhibitions. The amazing thing is that Nathan has all of this at the age of 17, so he is as or even more precocious as Hanyu and Patrick were when they first came onto the senior scene.

The best thing of all is Nathan's cool, calm, collected personality. He puts on no airs and he makes no grandiose claims, he just gets down to business on the ice.

The funny thing is that it's all the pissed-off fans of other skaters who don't like seeing things change at the top who are the real ones unable to come up with anything significant to complain about. All you're doing is whining about stuff you used to love and/or make excuses for when your faves were always winning.
 
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He is 17. He and his coaches have a game plan that involves concentrating on the jumps first. They have only just started this year to concentrate on the performance aspects that aren't strictly "elements." To say that "he has nothing to fall back on if his jumps are not with him on any particular day" is just about as big a case of sour grapes as I've ever seen on here.

Go back and look at his programs last year. Then go back and rewatch his programs at this 4CC event. The progress he has made in terms of performance is amazing. He doesn't strike me as a natural performer like a Plushenko or Hamilton. I would bet there isn't a hammy bone in his body. It is something that he is going to have to develop and -- whatdayaknow!--he is developing it.
Thank God he's not. You can be an artistic skater without being hammy. I just want more programs like his SP and his Exh, and we are all good.
 
Yep XD he did the 3A because he felt a little tight and tired :drama::palmf::laugh2:

Well, he does them for warm-up, so... :biggrin:

Honestly, as long as Yuzu keeps his glorious 3As, I'm good. He can fall on underrotated single Salchows (tano'ed single slachow, hah!) for all I care, as long as he gives me these gorgeous 3As. Priorities :love::laugh:
 
I hope for him that it will work, but look at (sorry to bring him up again) Boyang. If he starts to get better programs, more artistic stuff, the jumps probably won't come as easy anymore.

He has better basic skating skills than Boyang. And certainly more grace. I can't see Boyang pulling off a classical program but I can see Chen eventually pulling off a lighthearted SP/LP.
 
Thank God he's not. You can be an artistic skater without being hammy. I just want more programs like his SP and his Exh, and we are all good.

I'm not a fan of the deli ham & cheese type performers myself. I think the best thing they've done is bring Zoueva into the mix. And at this point. She will keep him out of the deli!
 
Might have been mentioned but is Chen's lutz combo the highest ever scored for an element? It certainly seems like the first time an element has cleared 20 points unless he himself has done that before in an ISU competition.

Also I'm in total agreement with the love for Uno's quad loop. That was absolute perfection especially the running edge on the exit.
 

Why the face palm? Sorry I don't know every in and out of his layout choices. In the FS, he landed four quads - two being successful 4T. And then he was 1 for 3 on 4S (and it wasn't his best 4S effort at that). He's also popped that jump throughout the season. So I don't get why suggesting he should opt for a 4T is such a grievous statement to make. :unsure:
 
Might have been mentioned but is Chen's lutz combo the highest ever scored for an element? It certainly seems like the first time an element has cleared 20 points unless he himself has done that before in an ISU competition.

Also I'm in total agreement with the love for Uno's quad loop. That was absolute perfection especially the running edge on the exit.

and what about Patrick's 4t-3t... he got 17.17 for it... what is the highest score for that element?
 
He is 17. He and his coaches have a game plan that involves concentrating on the jumps first. They have only just started this year to concentrate on the performance aspects that aren't strictly "elements." To say that "he has nothing to fall back on if his jumps are not with him on any particular day" is just about as big a case of sour grapes as I've ever seen on here.

Go back and look at his programs last year. Then go back and rewatch his programs at this 4CC event. The progress he has made in terms of performance is amazing. He doesn't strike me as a natural performer like a Plushenko or Hamilton. I would bet there isn't a hammy bone in his body. It is something that he is going to have to develop and -- whatdayaknow!--he is developing it.

It's a smart game plan. And it is working. Like gangbusters.

Why does every time someone criticize about Nathan it must just mean we're sour that he won. I'm totally okay with him winning this competition. He skated cleanish 2 programs. He deserved it. I don't particularly enjoy watching his skating. If you don't enjoy someone's skating, you tend not to be a fan and turn off the tv when someone's you don't particularly care for is on. I WANT him to develop as a complete skater. I have never seen him before this season so I can't speak for his performance last year, but if I don't care for his skating skill this season, I won't go out of my way to find an inferior program.
 
^^ Well, obviously you refuse to accept the fact that Nathan's programs are not inferior. You can even look at his entertaining Michael Jackson sp from his final season competing in juniors and see that Nathan has always possessed good performance abilities. He has been a phenom since the ages of 10 and 11, winning a number of U.S. novice and junior titles before breaking out onto the international junior and senior scenes. Along the way, Nathan has battled a number of injury setbacks that have only added to his strength of character and his determination to win.

Why won't they when they finally have a genuine Worlds and Olympic gold contender since Kwan? At least Nathan is hype worthy and may be the reviver of figure skating in the US.

Uh, there have been a number of worthy medal contenders and winners from the U.S. in all disciplines except for pairs both pre and post Michelle Kwan. U.S. ladies have gone through a Worlds and Olympics medal drought since 2006, but they have still contended on the international stage before and since Michelle Kwan. U.S. ice dancers have been very dominant for quite awhile, and we've had a number of talented winners and contenders in the men's division who have impacted the sport, even despite not being as competitive in the arena of quads in recent years. But that's not to say that U.S. men haven't trained and competed quads well before Nathan came along. U.S. men helped to pioneer quads from the 1980s onward.

A U.S. man, Brandon Mroz, was the first skater to land a quad lutz in a sanctioned ISU competition. Timothy Goebel was the first skater to land 3 quads in a free program. Evan Lysacek landed a quad/triple combo in 2007 at U.S. Nationals to win his first national championship. Evan did not need a quad to win 2010 Olympics because the sport was not ahead of the curve regarding the quad. Of course after 2010, the sport began to over-react in regard to quad development. Johnny Weir landed quads in practice but did not try them in competition pre 2010. To his credit, Johnny impacted the sport with his amazing elegance, technical purity, and his perfect erect posture in landing effortless looking jumps. Johnny's triple axel was a beauty to behold. Jeremy Abbott is a wonderful artist and dancer on the ice who inspired many of his peers. Of course there are many, many other great U.S. skaters, including Matthew Savoie, Adam Rippon, Jason Brown, Todd Eldredge, Rudy Galindo, Paul Wylie, Scott Hamilton, Brian Boitano, Charlie Tickner, Jon Misha Petkevich, Dick Button, et al.

Obviously, Nathan Chen is just one in a long line of groundbreaking American skaters. Nathan may or may not revive interest in figure skating in the U.S. That remains to be seen.
 
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I don't have a problem with the placement. But seriously, Shoma fell twice, he had so little transitions, yet the judges gave him 91 for PCS. How is that fair?
 
Why the face palm? Sorry I don't know every in and out of his layout choices. In the FS, he landed four quads - two being successful 4T. And then he was 1 for 3 on 4S (and it wasn't his best 4S effort at that). He's also popped that jump throughout the season. So I don't get why suggesting he should opt for a 4T is such a grievous statement to make. :unsure:

Because I just explained in this thread he does that because of the potential of having his Lisfranc fracture flaring up again (which was caused be hiy 4T).
 
Because I just explained in this thread he does that because of the potential of having his Lisfranc fracture flaring up again (which was caused be hiy 4T).

yeah but the thread is over 100 pages my dear.. you can't expect that everyone is reading the entire thing...
 
I don't have a problem with the placement. But seriously, Shoma fell twice, he had so little transitions, yet the judges gave him 91 for PCS. How is that fair?

He got minus 2 for the falls. It is fair, because he is just that good.
 
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