2017 Worlds Short Dance

[Mirunna]

The problem with dance in general is it's a lot harder to understand technically than the other disciplines, and even the most devoted and educated fan isn't always going to be able to make sense of what happened without extreme slow motion replays- and even with the extreme slow motion replays you really need to know a lot about the specific rules, about key points, about edges, and be able to see these clearly which also isn't always the easiest with the angles available to us.

People saying P/C didn't make mistakes are very wrong- they did, and a few of them, they just weren't visible to the naked eye in real time. To the naked eye only the twizzle error was visible. They also made errors on the Partial Steps and the No Touch steps, and that's why they got level 3 on those. To even their coaches, in real time, those errors probably weren't obvious because it really is quite simply just one of the two of them not having the correct edge at the correct second or even milisecond when they are supposed to be holding that edge. That's it, level down. Quite obviously this doesn't make sense to the casual viewer, and like I said it's usually not even going to be obvious to the very experienced viewer who's gone to great lengths to educate themselves in real time.

Plain and simple, most of the difference in scores among the top teams today is plainly accounted for by looking at who actually hit their levels and therefore made the fewest mistakes. One can squabble over the PCS if one is inclined to do so, but many of the people who seem to be complaining seem to be complaining just generally or even about the TES because of what they saw in real time. What you see in real time is a much smaller part of the picture in ice dance than in the other disciplines.

I fully agree with the above with the exception of the fact that V/M also had a small mistake on the twizzle that was not reflected in GOE/level. They even got the same GOE to the Shibs' twizzles. The lack of consistency is what is bothersome, especially since in this case V/M would have broken the WR even with less general GOE on this element.
And I don't play favoritism - Savchenko/Massot (who are one of my favorite pairs) received positive GOE's for clearly two footed landing in the SP. I can imagine that as a skater, this must be very frustrating.

 

[beki]

The whole season I thought H/D and C/B's music cuts were jarring, but in person I didn't feel that way at all.

 

[NoNameFace]

glad about W/P 6th place.

they had a tough season and they performed really well today. finger crossed for them and G/P amazing tango.

yes, two other Canadian teams delivering were a highlight for the SD for me as I love Piper/Paul's both programs to death. I'd say that they were both underscored, especially in PCS PE/IN and CH, but I applaud for the effort and keeping their cool, especially Kaitlyn and Andrew so troubled with tech issues.

and as I know You're a commited fan of Gabriella and Guillaume - I understand a power of personal sentiment and sadness when it is not on par with actual result. The only thing what comes to my mind is to cherish all the good we saw from them today, because they did put up a fight and as always produced quality performance. This program could not be everyone's cup of tea, but the most important thing is that it suits them very much, their impressionist-like, artistic style. I have no doubt they'll put their best tomorrow to wow everyone, but mostly to be better for themselves. At the end of the day, it is a competition and there are humans competing, totally allowed to put a foot wrong. For me, the most important thing is to witness Gabriella/Guillaume in action after that rocky past season.

 

[Skater Boy]

I should say I am not suggesting any conspiracy lol. I am just saying that in general the Americans have lucked out it would appear. I mean they are very strong in dance, ladies and men but when they could have been marked down or placed lower they seem to have gotten lucky. Easily for example all three dance teams could have been left in 7th, 8th and 9th instead they got probably the best we would expect 3, 4 and 5. Chen could have received much lower pcs. Karen Chen could have been called for UR or marked lower on pcs. But at the same time I guess it shows the judges are independent because they moved the third American as the highest scoring. I think C and B might be looking good as their fs beat the shibsibs at nats. Nice battle there regardless. They are an amazing powerhouse. Imagine if the first two teams came down with the flu - it could be an American sweep. Wasn't it in the 90s when Yamaguchi, Harding and Kerrigan graced the podium But down to reality. American power in dance Go everyone - skate well.

 

[beki]

Stepanova/Bukin in person I would put behind B/S. Before I thought the opposite. C/B are my least favorite American team, but they skate faster than everyone else.

 

[nolangoh]

So its gonna be a civil war between the Americans for the Bronze, exciting~

 

[medvedevasocks]

there are 3 of them

romain will take care P/C
patrice H/D
and Marie-France will take care of V/M

i am pretty sure of that

Yeah those seems to be the designated #1 coaches of each team respectively.

 

[beki]

Crowd loved Piper and Paul. Me too. If only they'd been in the next group.

 

[medvedevasocks]

Crazy dance event where technical ability/levels made the diff.

V/M were electrifying and that performance and lead should hopefully silence those who say they're past their prime or we're bound to lose.

Not sure who you have been talking to but I havent heard a single person predict anything but a certain V&M win at worlds. In fact their inevitable winning was almost as boring a conclusion to some as Medvedeva's impending ladies win has become.

 

[SnowWhite]

Marie-France teams all in top 3. Kind of crazy. Then again I guess Marina did that too sometimes.

I missed the entire competition and just got on now but these standings are wild! Madi and Zach have the lowest PCS of the top 8 and are still in 3rd. (I like their hated SD, lol).

Looking forward to the protocol. Everyone must've missed levels sans V/M and H/D?

Marina had it end up that way in 2011, with D/W, V/M and the Shibs on the podium at Worlds.

loooooooooooool
Good thing I stopped caring about the results for ID
save myself a lot of nerves

HD in 3rd is

It's the TES though, not PCS. They had the lowest PCS in the top 8, but the best levels behind V/M, so it makes sense.

And her other two teams in the event (FB/S and S/D, maybe I'm missing someone else?) both got PBs too.

They had seven teams in the event actually. Five qualified for the FD. The second french team Lauriault and Le Gac and the british team Fear and Gibson (they are coached only by Romain and someone else, so not one of MF's teams, but from the same training centre) missed the FD, though F/G did get a new PB. And except for P/C, the teams that qualified all got PBs. And of course, V/M broke their SD record again.

 

[Barb]

Someone know why Shibs protocol says Deduction : Violation of choreography restrictions: (1 of 10)

 

[kresslia]

This Prince SD has to be an all-timer for me (not that I've been watching as long as some of you, I'm only 22).

They're on a completely different level from anyone else, and that's not even to insult the rest of the field. They are just one in a million, born to skate.

 

[SnowWhite]

Well, quite a SD! Virtue and Moir blew it away as many (not me) predicted. Basically a three way tie for second with the Shibs and WeaPo bringing up the rear. IceNetwork pooped out so I didn't see the performances but the Shibs must have had some level issues. I'm still sticking with my predictions of V/M, P/C and Shibs. Obviously Shibs will have to have a tremendous skate and others not so great. For those who saw it, were Tessa and Scott so completely dominant? Is this a judges love-fest or is their superiority that evident?

I know I'm a little biased, but to me they were that dominant. They are so much crisper and sharper and faster than any other team, even on the feed. Their PCs were just a tiny bit ahead of P/C, the difference was really technical, which made sense to me. No one can touch their step sequences and blues pattern.

Marie-France has her hands all over Scott and meanwhile Andrew is sitting between Morozov and Katelyn. I make no comment but after that gif of her practically crawling into his lap to get away...

Marie-France is very touchy, not that anyone seems to mind. She has a habit of petting Guillaume in the KnC. I have seen him described as her prize pony (not in a suggestion of her prefering them obviously).

Well, that's not what I thought would happen.

V/M... no surprises. I LOVE that OD. It's like a complicated show program. Nice changes since 4CC.

After that, I'm not too sure what went on. All I know is P/C shouldn't be THAT close to H/D. I'm not a fan of either SD (much prefer P/C's FD) but the whole mixtape of old school hip hop music is jarring to say the least. Just when they'd get to the good parts of any song, it would change and I'd lose my groove. So I can't justify their PCS being as high as it was.

The FD will be hella interesting.

Their PCs were the lowest of the top 8 teams. I don't really like the program, but that seems pretty fair. It was all about TES for them.

 

[tulosai]

Someone know why Shibs protocol says Deduction : Violation of choreography restrictions: (1 of 10)

It just means one of the judges pushed the button indicating they saw a violation. May have been a mistake by that judge or may have been for any random reason at all. It doesn't matter unless at least 5 judges press the button.

 

[Alchamei]

Someone know why Shibs protocol says Deduction : Violation of choreography restrictions: (1 of 10)

I guess one of the judges found Shibs SD breaking the rules (possibly the rhythm) and pressed the button, but was the only one so deduction was not applied.

That's just my thinking, I agree, it's weird.

 

[NoNameFace]

Not sure who you have been talking to but I havent heard a single person predict anything but a certain V&M win at worlds. In fact their inevitable winning was almost as boring a conclusion to some as Medvedeva's impending ladies win has become.

I think that for a lot of people - myself included - the level of confidence and prowess in execution Tessa/Scott are presenting after 2 years of break is ind-blowing. Whereas I a surprised in a positive way, some people are upset and make them look smaller than they now appear. Looking at this very season, some would say that they are bound to win Worlds, but just before season's start they were said to bound for Olympic bronze at their best. Looking at Tessa/Scott's sizeable lead AND taking into consideration how they performed, they really pushing for that title, but nothing is set in stone in advance until last score will appear and next season could have entire different dynamic, Tessa/Scott sure know that firsthand.

And myself, I would not calling Tessa/Scott win as a 'boring' one - this is a word totally opposite to the style they're doing it. And they should never get punished for other teams' sake just because they are too perfect to handle for some.

 

[Giselle]

Marina had it end up that way in 2011, with D/W, V/M and the Shibs on the podium at Worlds.

Igor was part of their coaching team at that point too

 

[Sackie]

Not surprised H/D were put in 3rd - it was too close between S/S and W/P for them to fit in there so the judges had to bump them up to 3rd. At 4CC they were beat by W/P in the Free Dance - so now they have a big enough lead that even if W/P beat them again they again will not be able to overtake them.

 

[beki]

I'm looking forward to seeing V/M grouped with the others. The time gap made it harder to compare them with P/C. I wouldn't automatically put the French behind them. They both skate fluently in close hold. Tessa for me does have the most it factor of any one skater in the discipline.

 

[semosk8tfan]

The whole season I thought H/D and C/B's music cuts were jarring, but in person I didn't feel that way at all.

I had the same reaction at US Nationals. Especially for H/D, they turned me into believers of that SD.