2018 Olympic Figure Skating Short Dance

[reneerose]

Except the rules do warrant a deduction.

This is from 2016 rules (if anyone can find a more up-to-date link, please feel free to correct me), found on this ISU.org page.

Rule 50
Clothing
1. At ISU Championships, the Olympic Winter Games and International Competitions, the clothing of the Competitors must be modest, dignified and appropriate for athletic competition – not garish or theatrical in design. Clothing may, however, reflect the character of the music chosen. The clothing must not give the effect of excessive nudity inappropriate for the discipline.

Now, I am very liberal in my views & honestly don't care if nipples are shown on tv. But I do question if the nip slip warranted a deduction by this ISU rule. If it's against their rules, it deserves the deduction, same as if you had a piece of your costume fall onto the ice.

Because it wasn't intentional, probably they didn't deduct it as being against the rules? I don't recall what they did with Yura Min from the South Korean ice dance team, who had a similar problem in the Team Event? But on the other hand, the costumes should be secure designed to stay on through all movements. I would think they would have had numerous costume run throughs to avoid this very thing? I just don't get why the other teams under the top 3 had "violation of choreography" and something to do with "violation of costume and props"?

Edited to add: I just looked it up. Yura Min did not get a deduction, so they were consistent with Gabby's situation.

 

[Blades of Passion]

Short Dance is usually not that interesting and this competition was just another example. Very rarely do the step sequences, particularly the compulsory pattern, allow for the most creative or musical or fulfilling movement. The rules on step sequences for all disciplines need to be changed for next season and I'm sorry, but the compulsory patterns for Dance need to go. Asking everyone to do the same thing is just boring, you should be able to judge the technique well enough without requiring everyone to put one exact pattern into a dance.

There still has yet to be a SD that tops Virtue/Moir's from the 2013-2014 season in my opinion, and there are barely any SD's since the format was created (8 seasons now!) that I would call truly great.

 

[WeakAnkles]

All I wanted and cared about in these Olympics were two things: clean performances and fair judging. Obviously I had too much expectations. :sarcasm:

Welcome to the Wacky Weirdo World of Ice Dance "Judging."

 

[tzazu]

Her nipple was out for almost half of the program. Including in the slow-mo close-up shot at the very end of the replay.

I watched the video twice and didn't see it, when I watch the videos later I don't watch the slow-mo...:hopelessness:...I'll watch it again now...

 

[Fruitpie]

Huh? It’s pretty much obvious that P&C have much stronger glide and edge control than C&B. The latter have strong PE skills but SS is an obvious weakness especially where Madison is concerned.

Yes, definitely. PC are stronger than CB in SS. That's what I was talking about.

 

[reneerose]

I watched the video twice and didn't see it, when I watch the videos later I don't watch the slow-mo...:hopelessness:...I'll watch it again now...

I read the CBC Twitter and they said they were going to remove the offending footage, i.e. slow-mos from their replays. They stated they had no tape delay and couldn't prevent the footage from being broadcast initially.

 

[WeakAnkles]

I read the CBC Twitter and they said they were going to remove the offending footage, i.e. slow-mos from their replays. They stated they had no tape delay and couldn't prevent the footage from being broadcast initially.

Maybe next year P/C will skate to a Justin Timberlake/Janet Jackson medley.

 

[bobbob]

You call that "EXCESSIVE NUDITY"? Give me a break... if that's excessive nudity, then what isn't? I honestly barely noticed it, though I could see the performance was a little tentative. I do think P/C were a little overscored in terms of the twizzles though (probably lose a level), their lift was wobbly, and overall PCS could be around 0.5 points lower. Should have been around 80 overall. Free skate will be interesting now.

 

[sowcow]

Except the rules do warrant a deduction.

This is from 2016 rules (if anyone can find a more up-to-date link, please feel free to correct me), found on this ISU.org page.

Rule 50
Clothing
1. At ISU Championships, the Olympic Winter Games and International Competitions, the clothing of the Competitors must be modest, dignified and appropriate for athletic competition – not garish or theatrical in design. Clothing may, however, reflect the character of the music chosen. The clothing must not give the effect of excessive nudity inappropriate for the discipline.

Now, I am very liberal in my views & honestly don't care if nipples are shown on tv. But I do question if the nip slip warranted a deduction by this ISU rule. If it's against their rules, it deserves the deduction, same as if you had a piece of your costume fall onto the ice.

The "modest, dignified and appropriate" rule was originally implemented by the ISU in 1989; and many costume scandals have since played-out at various Championship events! In particular, check out the 'costume scandal' video clip from the 1989 European Figure Skating Championships:

• 1989 European Figure Skating Championships Costume Skandals! (if link does not work, try: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8ECupWBess)
  • A majority of the judges did not deduct points for skaters breaking the ISU's recently implemented "modest, dignified and appropriate" costume rule; specifically for:
    
    • Maya Usova & Alexander Zhulin
      
    • Surya Bonaly
      
    • Alexander Fadeev
      
  • [I always loved Vanessa Riley! And, she was absolutely correct here - at least in the case of Alexander Fadeev!]

 

[twirlingblades]

Because it wasn't intentional, probably they didn't deduct it as being against the rules? I don't recall what they did with Yura Min from the South Korean ice dance team, who had a similar problem in the Team Event? But on the other hand, the costumes should be secure designed to stay on through all movements. I would think they would have had numerous costume run throughs to avoid this very thing? I just don't get why the other teams under the top 3 had "violation of choreography" and something to do with "violation of costume and props"?

Edited to add: I just looked it up. Yura Min did not get a deduction, so they were consistent with Gabby's situation.

I thought they showed someone sewing the top halter part of the dress before gabby skated (literally sewing her into the dress). It looked like the stitches popped.

Dress malfunctions are unfortunate, but they happen and it’s not always anyone’s fault.

 

[lavender]

Yeah I don't get that comment about P/C skills being the same as Shibs who I love also for different reasons of course. I guess some people to want P/C to get dinged more from the distraction/twizzles.

 

[anonymoose_au]

They're only just showing Gabby and Guilluame's dance on Channel 7 here (waaay after it happened), I didn't see any exposure though? Although I think maybe riiight at the end as they took their bows maybe there's been blurring for the later broadcast here, in which case what a relief!

Poor Gabby though! What a terrible thing to happen I think it's appropriate they didn't get a costume deduction, nothing fell on the ice. I'm a bit worried that social media might have a field day over the incident and not show Gabby any respect. Hope I'm wrong though!

Unrelated, but the Shibs skate looks even better on rewatch and think they might have got a bit lowballed there.

 

[Silvia451]

After rewatching: very nice performance by Anna and Luca

 

[sowcow]

I thought they showed someone sewing the top halter part of the dress before gabby skated (literally sewing her into the dress). It looked like the stitches popped.

Dress malfunctions are unfortunate, but they happen [ I agree] and it’s not always anyone’s fault [ I disagree] .

[Copied (although slightly modified) from the thread: "Papadakis and Cizeron: "It was difficult"]
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Indeed, malfunctions do happen - and often!! And therefore the 'Team Coordinator(s)' for the skating federations (at international competitions); and/or the training center (for regional & national competitions) and/or the skaters themselves for every competition should ALWAYS be prepared!!


When I was competing, one of the team coordinators/coaches always had a small kit/bag at the ready that contained...

• shoe polish (black & white) for last minute boot touch-ups;
• extra skate-laces (black & white) for Tonya Harding episodes;
• a screwdriver and extra screws for repairing stripped blade-screws (fasteners);
• bobby-pins and elastic bands for 'hair-malfunctions'; and finally
• crazy glue, two-sided tape, safety pins and a needle/thread for costume-malfunctions.

We used to have all these emergency supplies ready-for-use at Sectional, Divisional and National competitions. So, I can not believe the same would not be available for GrandPrix and Championship events, and especially the Olympics!

I'd be surprised (and mad) if SkateCanada didn't have one of their accredited Team Coordinators ('Team Mothers') backstage in possession of an "emergency bag" at all times. If they don't, then I suggest Michael Slipchuck buy himself a big fanny pack and stock up on supplies immediately!

Similarly, as it relates to P/C ... maybe Diedier should spend less time and money politicking, and more of both on shopping for supplies!?!

 

[AliAle]

Poor Gabby though! What a terrible thing to happen I think it's appropriate they didn't get a costume deduction, nothing fell on the ice. I'm a bit worried that social media might have a field day over the incident and not show Gabby any respect. Hope I'm wrong though!

With the level of bitterness on these boards over them scoring (gasp!) second best (by too small of a margin), it wouldn't surprise me at all! I wasn't here for the D/W vs. V/M wars, but if it was similar to this, it's a wonder there are any people left here for the sport.

Similarly, as it relates to P/C ... maybe Diedier should spend less time and money politicking, and more of both on shopping for supplies!?!

And similarly, maybe just do some fact checking before blaming the Federation for any costume malfunction. Gabby had her dressed adjusted before coming on the ice, it just didn't hold properly.

 

[anonymoose_au]

The "modest, dignified and appropriate" rule was originally implemented by the ISU in 1989; and many costume scandals have since played-out at various Championship events! In particular, check out the 'costume scandal' video clip from the 1989 European Figure Skating Championships:

• 1989 European Figure Skating Championships Costume Skandals! (if link does not work, try: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8ECupWBess)
  • A majority of the judges did not deduct points for skaters breaking the ISU's recently implemented "modest, dignified and appropriate" costume rule; specifically for:
    
    • Maya Usova & Alexander Zhulin
      
    • Surya Bonaly
      
    • Alexander Fadeev
      
  • [I always loved Vanessa Riley! And, she was absolutely correct here - at least in the case of Alexander Fadeev!]

LOL that video was hilarious! Although I didn't see anything all that offensive in Katerina Witt's outfit that started it all...Surya's leggings were fine - added some flair to the event! Alexander Fadeev...yikes! Although you did forget about it once he started skating so I'm not sure about the deduction there. Trust the British to follow the rules to their letter.

(Funny story if you watch Chris and Simon commentating on Alexander's FP they seem more distracted by his gloves then anything else! )

 

[anonymoose_au]

With the level of bitterness on these boards over them scoring (gasp!) second best (by too small of a margin), it wouldn't surprise me at all! I wasn't here for the D/W vs. V/M wars, but if it was similar to this, it's a wonder there are any people left here for the sport.

Well, I haven't seen anything too awful here, I was thinking more in terms of Twitter being full of unfortunately taken screen shots, but I don't wanna go looking.

And similarly, maybe just do some fact checking before blaming the Federation for any costume malfunction. Gabby had her dressed adjusted before coming on the ice, it just didn't hold properly.

It's a bit of a worry that the costume needed to be adjusted so late in the game though! I didn't notice but apparently it was a new dress...perhaps they got some faulty fabric - the previous one didn't seem to be in danger of falling off.

 

[Ares]

W/P have one of if not my favourite sentimental SDs and even I thought they were a bit tight and sloppy in places. I just don't think Morozov was fully invested in this team. His work with them has been uneven at best. OTOH, I really thought C/L just skated out of their skins tonight. Bobrova's lack of style, and poor posture just bit her in the but tonight. Just goes to show Zhulin is good but he can't work miracles. In a perfect world though B/S should be at least closer to W/P.

Yup, Anna & Luca were the biggest surprise for me last night (here early morning). Crisp, uptempo-pacing, difficult steps & interpretation everything was there - stepped up few notches above from earlier this season. To be fair I was mentally getting ready for them to take themselves out of any contention for bronze medal already after SD, due to ''average skate'' expected and their most recent trajectory but it was not the case. I am thrilled & happy just about the opportunity in itself. I like when someone is playing a spoiler almost no matter who it is also.

Other takeaways:


I'd have Shibutanis above Hubbell / Donahue ... for me they were noticeably better than asynchronic, and less sparkling H/B and P/C should have lower score overall ... higher PCS than V/M?!. TES also little bit questionable. I know that the difference bwteen S/S and H/B is minimal but I can't help but think whether it would be the other way around if not for H/B current National champions status. But they are great too nonetheless so good for them that they have a successful season after horror in Helsinki.

Weaver / Poje were absolutely delightful as I love their connection, dancing & choreography, their music is also excellent so in these aspects combined together they were my favourite alongside V/M but I can see where their slightly lower placement comes from. I was like ... phew whe Andrew completed his twizzles and later on they gave me few stressful moments too.

 

[TerpsichoreFS]

Something must be wrong with me. Even with the distraction and the readjustments because of the nip slip I loved P/C's short. There were giving it like nobody in the beginning. Lovely colour on her. Great choreography. I hope they pull all the stops in the FD.

Congrats to Tessa and Scott!

Honestly I'm pulling for the shibs in third because of all the hate they get online. Swedish tv is going to have scandalized by their FD.

Edit: I want everyone to know that the transition my tv chose in and out of commercials is Mao Asada on her Rachmaninoff dress landing a jump.

 

[Fool]

(My?) Eurosport player doesn't have the SD on demand!!!!!! WHAT IS THISSSS. So I haven't seen anything and I'm so confused at these comments, wardrobe problems?? H/D in third? (But good for them!) I'm not here for these kinds of "scandals" where a woman's body gets scrutinized, sensored and maybe even penalized. Poor Gabby