Yes, you are right.
In this case, coach of the pair Kateryna Dzitsiuk and Ivan Pavlov needed accreditation in Tallinn, but federation decided not to give it. And this was a starting point of conflict.
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Yes, you are right.
In this case, coach of the pair Kateryna Dzitsiuk and Ivan Pavlov needed accreditation in Tallinn, but federation decided not to give it. And this was a starting point of conflict.
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Brandon is continuing; Haven is unsure
https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2020/03/25/haven-denney-brandon-frazier-split/
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Aware, but thanks.
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Thank you
for the additional information that Brandon is continuing and Haven is unsure -- which had not yet been reported in this thread.
Frazier New Partner?
okay, so this begs the question. Is Alexa Knerim his new partner. It makes sense.
I thought they had a good chance of getting to the Olympics
Still, best of luck to them!
This is a kind of sum-up of Kateryna Dzitsiuk and Ivan Pavlov's ban (based on the material from two articles)
Shocking news from the Ukrainian Federation of Figure Skating: a sports pair, current national champions, have been expelled from the federation.
Two days after the Junior World Championship ended, a decree on the expelling of the sports pair Katerina Dzitsyuk / Ivan Pavlov from the national team was signed. Katerina and Ivan started a new pair this season and have already become champions of Ukraine, twice took 7th place in Junior Grand Prix competitions and became twelfth in the Junior World Championship in Tallinn, Estonia - the highest place of all the representatives of the Ukrainian team in the championship.
Ivan Pavlov ( https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?56453&p=2156503#post2156503 ), who is a two-time Ukrainian champion in singles, in the previous years participated in World and European championships. Katerina is fifteen, and for her Junior World Championship was the first major competition. So, why was such a promising couple unexpectedly expelled from the national team?
An unpleasant incident concerning the couple occurred during the Junior World Cup, when the Ukrainian Federation refused to declare the actual coach of the couple. According to the ISU profile, the athletes have one official coach - Arina Kuznetsova. However, in fact the skaters’ coach is Ivan's mother - Alla Pavlova. She has been training Ivan for quite a long time and recently graduated from the National University of Ukraine on Physical Education and Sport, receiving a diploma of a figure skating coach. The two coaches agreed to work together for the benefit of the pair.
Prior to the Junior World Cup, Alla Pavlova was given the coach’s accreditation when the pair took part in the Grand Prix competitions last autumn. However, when the athletes needed her help at the Junior World Championship and requested that she should be given accreditation and opportunity to attend the training, the Ukrainian Federation refused to do so. To avoid further conflicts like this, the pair was going to state Alla Pavlova as their only coach on their return to Ukraine, but before they had a chance to do it, the couple was officially expelled from the team, the Federation indicating the reason as “the violation of discipline at the Junior World Championship by the pair’s parents”.
As a result, having expelled Katerina Dzitsyuk and Ivan Pavlov from the Ukrainian Federation, Ukraine is left with no representatives in this kind who are of age to compete in seniors in the next season.
Shocking news from the Ukrainian Federation of Figure Skating: a sports pair, current national champions, have been expelled from the federation.
Two days after the Junior World Championship ended, a decree on the expelling of the sports pair Katerina Dzitsyuk / Ivan Pavlov from the national team was signed. Katerina and Ivan started a new pair this season and have already become champions of Ukraine, twice took 7th place in Junior Grand Prix competitions and became twelfth in the Junior World Championship in Tallinn, Estonia - the highest place of all the representatives of the Ukrainian team in the championship.
Ivan Pavlov ( https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?56453&p=2156503#post2156503 ), who is a two-time Ukrainian champion in singles, in the previous years participated in World and European championships. Katerina is fifteen, and for her Junior World Championship was the first major competition. So, why was such a promising couple unexpectedly expelled from the national team?
An unpleasant incident concerning the couple occurred during the Junior World Cup, when the Ukrainian Federation refused to declare the actual coach of the couple. According to the ISU profile, the athletes have one official coach - Arina Kuznetsova. However, in fact the skaters’ coach is Ivan's mother - Alla Pavlova. She has been training Ivan for quite a long time and recently graduated from the National University of Ukraine on Physical Education and Sport, receiving a diploma of a figure skating coach. The two coaches agreed to work together for the benefit of the pair.
Prior to the Junior World Cup, Alla Pavlova was given the coach’s accreditation when the pair took part in the Grand Prix competitions last autumn. However, when the athletes needed her help at the Junior World Championship and requested that she should be given accreditation and opportunity to attend the training, the Ukrainian Federation refused to do so. To avoid further conflicts like this, the pair was going to state Alla Pavlova as their only coach on their return to Ukraine, but before they had a chance to do it, the couple was officially expelled from the team, the Federation indicating the reason as “the violation of discipline at the Junior World Championship by the pair’s parents”.
As a result, having expelled Katerina Dzitsyuk and Ivan Pavlov from the Ukrainian Federation, Ukraine is left with no representatives in this kind who are of age to compete in seniors in the next season.
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Puzzling.
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How long is the ban for
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This seems so odd. Did the Ukraine FS FEd not like the skater's parent coaching? Was there something politically or morally or socially wrong with the coach?
The document doesn't imply it's temporary so it must be forever.
The federation objected to Ivan’s mother being an official coach because, as they said, she had never taken part in competitions as a skater and she’s a parent. In their opinion, a parent can’t be a coach. That’s what Ukrainian team leader said in an interview. The thing is Ivan’s mother mostly coached the girl, as Ivan is strong and experienced enough. She was the only one who had been working with the pair off ice, and the others could see it. No one minded until the pair requested the accreditation for Ivan’s mother at the Juniors World Cup, and it was only because Katerina had problems doing some elements and needed coach’s help, which the official coach was unable to give. There had been coaches in Ivan’s life, and his mother hadn’t insisted on being given accreditation during the competitions because they could handle the situation. Looks like this time the Ukrainian Federation saw some danger in someone getting into their small circle and being able to see what they had been doing for years.
That’s what Alexei Bychenko said 2 years ago, and I think it explains a lot (I used Google Translate with some editing):
“Our sport has its own policy,” says Alex in an interview with 24.tv. - The country sells a vote for a place. After the collapse of the USSR, Ukrainian figure skating was on the leading roles in the world. But every year it was getting worse and worse. This is because people used individual athletes, let's call them pawns, for their own purpose, and pushed them.
With Tanya Volosozhar, who became the champion in Sochi, what did they do? She would have finished if she hadn’t moved to Russia, paired with Maxim Trankov. If Tanya had stayed in Ukraine, she would have simply disappeared. No one would let her out (on the ice) .
Or take Alena Savchenko, who skated in my group. She moved to Germany not because she wanted to earn money but because she was told that she was a hopeless girl and there was nothing to do with her. So what? Alena won five world championships, four European championships, three Olympic medals, including Pyeongchang gold. Who is right?
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that there exists a group of people, let's call it a company, on which everything depends in Ukrainian figure skating. When you try to complain and get justice from some, you will not be able to get around these either. There is covering up for each other.
https://www.ua-football.com/sport/other/1520457497-byvshiy-ukrainskiy-figurist-nazval-familii-lyudey-kotorye-desyatiletiyami-unichtozhayut-ukrainskoe-figurnoe-katanie.html?fbclid=iwar1tkcptifdll8auwjh8anstkbhdwinbmgany6b3n_a-cyjtxmmtx_kukjo
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Hopefully they skate for Belarus if they are off the nat. team they will be ready for OLYMPICS if they could get citizenship
If they have competed for Ukraine, Ukraine would have to release them to be able to compete for any other country. Having citizenship of Belarus is not enough; if they are not released, they can’t compete. There is nothing that can make Ukraine release them, if Ukraine decides to be difficult and make their life hard. Iliuschetchkina waited to be released from Russia for four years. Zahorsky waited to be released from France for 3-4 years. They may be forced to wait for many years, and there is no guarantee that they will eventually be released.
If they get citizenship of Belarus it will be more than enough to compete at the ISU events, but they will need a special realese from the Ukranian OC to get to the Olympics.
Ekaterina Kurakova in her interview told that first Russia refused to release her, then she went to Poland and lived there and got the citizenship. And being a Polish citizen she didn' t need the release from FFKR anymore.
Ilishechkina and Zahorski badly needed to be released because it took time for both of them to become citizens. And being released by the fed will make it easier to get released by the National Olympics Comittee.
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