EXACTLY.(Adding on, not to you) I think it's important to recognize that just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's wrong or bad. I don't like red lipstick; that doesn't mean that wearing red lipstick is wrong.
EXACTLY.(Adding on, not to you) I think it's important to recognize that just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's wrong or bad. I don't like red lipstick; that doesn't mean that wearing red lipstick is wrong.
I am sorry, I misspoke. I meant to say he used to value his skating over his health (like at COC 2014). Sorry for the misunderstandingI’m confused. For his sake, I would be more thankful if he puts his health before his skating.
I’m not sure if this is about me (and others) criticizing Nathan’s SS and PCS (eh probably is lol). But I’m 18 and have been skating since I was 6, so I do know that you need to have some type of edge quality to complete moves in skating (however I have seen some skaters manage to do elements and such without much edge quality). My main problem is him outscoring Jason, Shoma, Keegan, and Mikhail in PCS, or rather just those four being underscored (I would’ve been mad about their scores whether Nathan was here or not). I’m just comparing because Nathan is the one at this competition with the highest PCS, and by a significant amount at that. I appreciate his technical strength but I just can’t see him as far ahead of the field in PCS as he was yesterday, or whatever day it wasThe way people seem to think that you can do all the fancy tricks that Nathan does (not even including the jumps) without good edge quality just proves that some people here have never stepped on the ice.
This.I’m not sure if this is about me (and others) criticizing Nathan’s SS and PCS (eh probably is lol). But I’m 18 and have been skating since I was 6, so I do know that you need to have some type of edge quality to complete moves in skating (however I have seen some skaters manage to do elements and such without much edge quality). My main problem is him outscoring Jason, Shoma, Keegan, and Mikhail in PCS, or rather just those four being underscored (I would’ve been mad about their scores whether Nathan was here or not). I’m just comparing because Nathan is the one at this competition with the highest PCS, and by a significant amount at that. I appreciate his technical strength but I just can’t see him as far ahead of the field in PCS as he was yesterday, or whatever day it was![]()
Ohhhh tell me who ?? Lmao! I want to know if I have picked up on it too.
He's the one that apparently knew he was injured and showed up to Worlds anyway, despite knowing that his result could have bearing on the Olympic spots. Not even sorry, he deserves some criticism for this one. It might be forgiveable in a non-Olympic year, but his result had an impact on more than just himself.Sigh... It's Vincent Zhou isn't it?
The guy utterly humiliated himself in front of the world, could his haters at least give him break? Goddamn.
I miss his smile. Pity he's forgotten how to.Rewatching now. WTF is up with Kolyada's top?
Literally painful to look at.
He is such a handsome guy. Pretty even. I miss his early career costumes.
I agree with that first sentence, mistakes in a program should influence the PCS. In the short program though... Nathan (with a fall) got several 9.75 and 9.50 (the cap score for a skate with a major error) and got higher PCS than Jason (and basically everyone else except Yuzu...). So, if he was clean was he about to get 5 or more 10s for the short program?! Also, I know his PCS in the short weren’t ahead of Jason by much, but this is skating where every point can count (of course Nathan would’ve still won the whole event though and as he should). But Jason was clean (ish I mean the quad was under but stillI am sorry but i do not believe that mistakes in a program shouldn't influence the PCS... botched jumps, wrong edges etc can lower skating skills and transitions... interpretation, composition and performance also will be affected with any kind of mistake. As a matter of fact, there is a mandatory cap on PCS for major mistakes already. I would think that less obvious mistakes, though they may not automatically prescribe a pcs drop would still influence judges scores.
I just wanted to comment on that last sentence. The previous ones, some i agree with, some i am not so sure.. but hey.. that's all good..So many scores might never make sense to me.![]()
Yeah, it’s kind of hard for me to let go of grudges (just in normal life lol). I’ve been watching skating with my mom since I was little and I’m still young now (18) but it’s just frustrating to see some of these scores. I know I have no control over it... it just makes me realize that if I’m this frustrated, I can’t even imagine how a lot of these elite athletes feel. Many work so hard just for the judges to be so harsh (Rika and Kaori come to mind). I hope that at some point figure skating can become at least a semi fair sport... but that could just be in my dreamsI just wanted to comment on that last sentence. The previous ones, some i agree with, some i am not so sure.. but hey.. that's all good..
The last sentence : yup... This, i have felt so many times... until I decided it was time to let the judges do their jobs... and for me to mostly accept that I have no control over that. What is the point getting upset? I am not the kind of guy who will write letters to the ISU to complain. So, a couple years ago, I have decided to let it go. Trust me, I enjoy it so much more than before since I have let go of grudges I had with the judging since 1988 ....
You have to hate the game, not the player (Nathan). PCS has to be decoupled from TES if you want skater A w/ lower tech to have higher PCS. The judges nail them together because the same judge grades both. PCS is dragged upward by super TES under IJS.I’m not sure if this is about me (and others) criticizing Nathan’s SS and PCS (eh probably is lol). But I’m 18 and have been skating since I was 6, so I do know that you need to have some type of edge quality to complete moves in skating (however I have seen some skaters manage to do elements and such without much edge quality). My main problem is him outscoring Jason, Shoma, Keegan, and Mikhail in PCS, or rather just those four being underscored (I would’ve been mad about their scores whether Nathan was here or not). I’m just comparing because Nathan is the one at this competition with the highest PCS, and by a significant amount at that. I appreciate his technical strength but I just can’t see him as far ahead of the field in PCS as he was yesterday, or whatever day it was![]()
I agree! I really think PCS and TES should be judged by two different panels to be as fair as possible. And I definitely don’t hate Nathan, just when he’s the only one being really overscored for men (in PCS that is) it becomes very frustrating as a fan. I hate the game, just that game doesn’t really benefit many people in this current state of skating. I know that by Nathan having a clean skate it definitely upped his PCS, but I feel like that shouldn’t be the case... for any skater. Also, about Keegan’s SS, they are just spectacular in person. His knee bend is amazing and he zooms across the ice (he’s sooo speedy haha—sometimes too much). And although his free skate is a different style compared to his competitors, I think he sells it pretty well.You have to hate the game, not the player (Nathan). PCS has to be decoupled from TES if you want skater A w/ lower tech to have higher PCS. The judges nail them together because the same judge grades both. PCS is dragged upward by super TES under IJS.
There are also different components obviously. I agree that Jason, Shoma, and Mikhail have an edge on Nathan in SS. I am not 100% sold on Keegan. But, Nathan being the only one skating clean would probably get a bump in certain components where others made mistakes
Nope. It's about the people who act like Nathan has bad edge quality.I’m not sure if this is about me (and others) criticizing Nathan’s SS and PCS (eh probably is lol). But I’m 18 and have been skating since I was 6, so I do know that you need to have some type of edge quality to complete moves in skating (however I have seen some skaters manage to do elements and such without much edge quality). My main problem is him outscoring Jason, Shoma, Keegan, and Mikhail in PCS, or rather just those four being underscored (I would’ve been mad about their scores whether Nathan was here or not). I’m just comparing because Nathan is the one at this competition with the highest PCS, and by a significant amount at that. I appreciate his technical strength but I just can’t see him as far ahead of the field in PCS as he was yesterday, or whatever day it was![]()
Yeah I don’t think he has bad edge quality at all! I’m just not sure it’s deserving of over an 8.50. But it’s not bad by any means.Nope. It's about the people who act like Nathan has bad edge quality.
No.I keep on thinking if only Plushenko competed in Sochi in Men's singles, he would have won....
Yeah! That’s why I’m kind of frustrated with his score. They could’ve given him like 88-89 in PCS and he still would’ve won. Changing his PCS wouldn’t change the overall result (and it shouldn’t) but it would be more realistic which could honestly help him improve. If he gets multiple 10s in all components, what’s the point in trying to improve if you know the judges will reach you on the other end? Same goes for other skaters for edge calls (not Nathan he doesn’t have any wrong edges). I also wish that PCS scoring wouldn’t be in blocks like it is now... like if someone’s SS are meh but their performance is great, then show it! Then they’ll be driven to improve their weaker areas.^ Keep in mind. You can drop Nathan's PCS 20 points and he still would've won comfortably
As you get older, you'll realize that holding a grudge damages you more than the person you're holding the grudge against. It's unwise to get overly worked up over something as trivial as a figure skating competition.Yeah, it’s kind of hard for me to let go of grudges (just in normal life lol). I’ve been watching skating with my mom since I was little and I’m still young now (18) but it’s just frustrating to see some of these scores. I know I have no control over it... it just makes me realize that if I’m this frustrated, I can’t even imagine how a lot of these elite athletes feel. Many work so hard just for the judges to be so harsh (Rika and Kaori come to mind). I hope that at some point figure skating can become at least a semi fair sport... but that could just be in my dreams
I love skating and I love watching skating and at this point it might just be better for me to not look at the scores at all because I just have to realize that they really just don’t make sense to me at the moment. I hope down the line they have two separate judging panels or AI judging...