Artistic Gymnastics (MAG/WAG) Live Chat

[reneerose]

I'm wondering if FIG will take a closer look at the judges for this WAG Olympic event to make sure they scored accurately and they won't make such mistakes in the future. Like get it right the first time as much as possible! On a sad minor note, I accidentally deleted my Paris Primetime folder on my DVR so I lost a bunch of the competitions...at least I still have the folder of stuff DVRd from USA channel. Ah well, I probably can rewatch some of the stuff on YT. It all fades into history eventually anyway.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

... I can't believe what just happened

 

[Ichatdelune]

I just read the latest news and Christ eating his pogo stick seriously FIG??? You're going to screw over not one but two gymnasts???? I am all for giving deserving athletes their medals but *taking away a medal after giving it to them* is NOT OKAY. And to do it TWICE is doubly not okay. God.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

I just read the latest news and Christ eating his pogo stick seriously FIG??? You're going to screw over not one but two gymnasts???? I am all for giving deserving athletes their medals but *taking away a medal after giving it to them* is NOT OKAY. And to do it TWICE is doubly not okay. God.

The "taking away a medal" is not the FIG's doing, that's what the CAS is recommending as the course of action.
That it even had to come so far is an entirely different story - Jordan's inquiry was accepted after the one-minute window and her score was raised by 0.1 by the superior jury, literally the FIG's Women’s Technical Committee. How any of them got those positions is a wonder to me after this situation.

Either way, Sabrina's mother will be extremely unhappy - I don't think she cares about Romanian success but only her own (and her daughter's by proxy).

 

[4everchan]

what's going on ??????????

 

[Ichatdelune]

The "taking away a medal" is not the FIG's doing, that's what the CAS is recommending as the course of action.
That it even had to come so far is an entirely different story.

Either way, Sabrina's mother will be extremely unhappy - I don't think she cares about Romanian success but only her own (and her daughter's by proxy).

I realized that CAS and not FIG was the decision maker here after more careful reading and was about to edit but thank you nonetheless. As for Sabrina M-V... The footage does suggest that she was robbed of her medal and I wouldn't have minded if she was to be given the bronze but I guess that would've opened a whole new can of worms Her mother is one of many figures in Romanian WAG that are, well, not deemed highly by yours truly and I'll just say that I want Romanian gymnasts to be happy and then as successful as they can be.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

what's going on ??????????

CAS has ruled that Jordan's inquiry came 4 seconds too late (there's a one-minute window for inquiries) and shouldn't have been granted, so her score should be dropped back down to 13.666, putting her in 5th and Ana Barbosu in third.

Sabrina Voinea didn't inquire about the neutral deduction, just the D score, so her CAS appeal has been rejected. (CAS doesn't make judgments about field-of-play decisions)

If FIG & IOC follow this ruling, Ana gets the bronze, Sabrina 4th and Jordan 5th.

 

[Ichatdelune]

I am still recovering from RG and I don't think I have the brainpower to not say something wrong and/or stupid but... So many points of contention here, the timeframe of the inquiry, whether or not the element in question (Gogean is strongly assumed) was performed well enough to be valid, and the OOB or lack thereof in question among so so so many line judging issues... I have a headache

 

[Ichatdelune]

Sabrina Voinea didn't inquire about the neutral deduction, just the D score, so her CAS appeal has been rejected. (CAS doesn't make judgments about field-of-play decisions)

Am I reading the CAS statement wrong because I only see statements saying Sabrina M-V and Romanian Gymnastics Federation inquired about the OOB

 

[Jumping_Bean]

Am I reading the CAS statement wrong because I only see statements saying Sabrina M-V and Romanian Gymnastics Federation inquired about the OOB

It was reported by Romanian media before the CAS decision that mother Voinea apparently only filed an inquiry for Sabrina's difficulty score because they didn't notice the neutral deduction until later.
I'll try and look for the article.

 

[4everchan]

and this is why, ladies and gentlemen, that score inquiries shouldn't be made at some point, judges need to be trusted... even if they are sometimes not deserving of that trust. The gymnast received her medal already. She shouldn't have to give it back. This sucks.

 

[Ichatdelune]

It was reported by Romanian media before the CAS decision that mother Voinea apparently only field an inquiry for Sabrina's difficulty score because they didn't notice the neutral deduction until later.
I'll try and look for the article.

Forgive me for my non-functioning brain but then this??

The Applicants also sought a conclusion that the penalty of 0.1
for execution imposed on Ms Sabrina Maneca-Voinea was given without basis, thereby increasing her
score to 13.800, and that the final ranking be adjusted accordingly.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

Forgive me for my non-functioning brain but then this??

I think I get where the confusion is coming from - Sabrina appealed to CAS about her neutral deduction, but they didn't file an appeal about the neutral deduction with the superior jury during the floor final, only one about her difficulty.

Essentially, she didn't use her right to inquire and now has to live with the consequences of not noticing the error earlier.
Either way, even if she had inquired and her inquiry had been rejected (wrongly, in her eyes), the CAS appeal would have yielded the same results, as CAS doesn't make field-of-play decisions, only decisions on procedural issues (like someone else's inquiry coming too late or the judges not being qualified for the job).

 

[Jumping_Bean]

To make matters worse, the one-minute time limit for verbal inquiries exists only for the last gymnast of a rotation - For all other gymnasts, it is until the score for the following gymnast has been shown, which often takes 3 minutes or more.

All gymnasts have 4 minutes after the verbal inquiry to submit the written inquiry (which Jordan did in time, her verbal inquiry was just 4 seconds too late).

 

[DemTuppesSeine]

I can't believe they didn't notice on the day of the actual competition that the US inquiry was too late?!

 

[DemTuppesSeine]

And if the judges made a mistake, they shouldn't punish the athlete.

 

[skatesofgold]

To make matters worse, the one-minute time limit for verbal inquiries exists only for the last gymnast of a rotation - For all other gymnasts, it is until the score for the following gymnast has been shown, which often takes 3 minutes or more.

All gymnasts have 4 minutes after the verbal inquiry to submit the written inquiry (which Jordan did in time, her verbal inquiry was just 4 seconds too late).

Actually, all the gymnasts have only two minutes, except the last one who only has one minute, which is ridiculously unfair.

 

[skatesofgold]

I can't believe they didn't notice on the day of the actual competition that the US inquiry was too late?!

I get the feeling this happens a lot, but it's the only time it's been challenged.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

Actually, all the gymnasts have only two minutes, except the last one who only has one minute, which is ridiculously unfair.

I'm honestly not sure where these two minutes are coming from, I've seen them floating around on Twitter too. What I said is exactly how it is written in the (2023) Technical Regulations as part of the General Regulations (p. 46)

"Inquiries for the Difficulty score* are allowed, provided that they are made verbally immediately after the publication of the score or at the very latest before the score of the following gymnast/athlete or group is shown.
(...)
For the last gymnast or group of a rotation, this limit is one (1) minute after the score is shown on the scoreboard. The person designated to receive the verbal inquiry has to note the time of receiving it and this starts the procedure.
(...)
The inquiry must be confirmed as soon as possible in writing, but within four (4) minutes at the latest after the verbal inquiry"

Yeah, halving the time to submit an inquiry would be unfair enough, I agree, but clearly the situation is even more unfair. Apparently, the average time between gymnasts' scores in the Floor final was 4 minutes and 37 seconds - So all gymnasts had over 4.5 times as long to submit an inquiry than Jordan.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

And can I just add, I'm honestly sort of happy that for once it is not the proverbial "problem child" of the FIG, rhythmic gymnastics, causing the big controversies but another gymnastics discipline