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2024 CS Nebelhorn Trophy Women's FS

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22Elyce LIN-GRACEY
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171.16
Excellent!
New star born!

213.33 first.
 

4everchan

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I totally agree with Elyce's victory - she was by far the cleanest woman across the two programs, but I don't know if I would have had her winning PCS over Isabeau Levito and Mone Chiba, especially with that program. In the short, maybe, as she was really performing then and she does have great skating skills, but imo both Isabeau and Mone had stronger programs and performance in the free.
it's nothing new unfortunately... PCS means nothing anymore... we saw it last week with the men...
 

Ichatdelune

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Well the judges loved that, Cleopatra hands or no Cleopatra hands. I will get some pavé chocolate (which will make me feel more things than so many of the women's frees I saw today) and some Tylenol to get ready for ID
 

Ichatdelune

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Not even Amber???
Yes, she is of quality but I've never clicked with her. She leaves a somewhat better impression with her SPs but her FSs... I'll be off to hitch a spaceship bound for home
 

figureskatingandrainbows

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it's nothing new unfortunately... PCS means nothing anymore... we saw it last week with the men...
it's the pre-Olympic season craziness, this happened last quad too. The past two seasons, the judging had been quite fair imo but I think everyone had too much fun in Paris and is now chucking out 9s for the winner while unfairly dinging the pre-flood skaters. Anyways, I don't enjoy ranting on about PCS scores and whatnot, but I do wish the ISU would split the panels into TES and PCS and encourage judges to differentiate between the PCS marks. Fairly reward the skaters for having great skating skills but dull programs, or great performance but maybe weaker composition. But alas, that idea never seems to come to fruition and we get stuck in the same cycle of crazy scores during the pre-Olympic and Olympic quad.
 

readernick

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I totally agree with Elyce's victory - she was by far the cleanest woman across the two programs, but I don't know if I would have had her winning PCS over Isabeau Levito and Mone Chiba, especially with that free program. In the short, maybe, as she was really performing then and she does have great skating skills, but imo both Isabeau and Mone had stronger programs and performance in the free. But judges gonna judge, hopefully they can settle down a bit by the time the GP comes around and reward the skaters for the programs and specific PCS marks that they excel in.
Yes, I agree with this. Elyce is a nice skater but it was just lovely and boring. Honestly, forgettable (not her but the program) I didn't agree with the TES in the SP, but in the FS she deserved the TES lead. However, I would definitely rank Isabeau, Mone, and Hana far ahead in PCS.
 

readernick

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it's the pre-Olympic season craziness, this happened last quad too. The past two seasons, the judging had been quite fair imo but I think everyone had too much fun in Paris and is now chucking out 9s for the winner while unfairly dinging the pre-flood skaters. Anyways, I don't enjoy ranting on about PCS scores and whatnot, but I do wish the ISU would split the panels into TES and PCS and encourage judges to split PCS marks. Fairly reward the skaters for having great skating skills but dull programs, or great performance but maybe weaker composition. But alas, that idea never seems to come to fruition and we get stuck in the same cycle of crazy scores during the pre-Olympic and Olympic quad.
This is absolutely the best solution. I just don't understand why it hasn't happened. (honestly, it is likely just due to cost) But, from a fairness viewpoint it would be so much better.
 

Bluediamonds09

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I missed the competition, but what happened to Seoyeong Wi? Wasn't she a rising star in South Korea in her junior days? How did she place so low? I'm just reeeally nervous about the state of the South Korean women skaters right now, especially because baby Minsol is nowhere to be found.
 
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The judging in this event was particular odd, it seems though the caller was a little less stricter in the FS, did they change the technical caller after the SP?

Also judge 3 was a tough one, pushing a lot of -1 to -3 on step sequences and choreo sequences on a bunch of skaters in the first groups, both in both the SP and FS. I mean I doubt that all those steps and choreo sequences were so horrible but apparently he just already had formed an opinion that no element would be good enough no matter what. Hardly do they deserve so much negative GOE unless there is some obvious stumbles, which I do not think it´s the case
 

Magill

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This is absolutely the best solution. I just don't understand why it hasn't happened. (honestly, it is likely just due to cost) But, from a fairness viewpoint it would be so much better.
What costs? They are volunteers....
Honestly, either you are able to secure sufficient funding for the sport to have fair and decent judging, or you just do not run for managerial positions in it as you're just not fit for the job. Honestly, it is just one way or another.
 
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Ichatdelune

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the best version is made in Quebec ;)

I liked Dimash though... but probably because he's cute ;) he tried hard for the French.

This version is probably the best

or if you prefer cathedral dude
Listening to these on my spaceship (apt), Norman Groulx is indeed the best version but I still don't love the song. Bruno Pelletier's voice is of course golden but I don't think his timbre is right for the song, so desolee but no I'm not changing my musical opinion
 

figureskatingandrainbows

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Before anyone loses their minds:

Yes, Mone had an inordinate number of TES calls (6 qs!), which is extremely harsh but she does UR, especially in the start of the season. I fully expect her to fix those issues by the GP once she gets that mid-season extra pop off her jumps.

Elyce is a notorious UR skater, but her jumps in the free today looked very clean. I don't really have a problem with her TES score.

The judges were pretty harsh overall - Elyse, Isabeau, and Hana all got edge warnings on multiple jumps, so at least it was more consistent than the short.
What costs? They are volunteers....
The ISU has to pay to house and feed the judges during competitions so it's "too expensive" and also they said that the judges would be "too bored" without clicking a button every 5 seconds :rolleye:
 

TontoK

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Yes, I agree with this. Elyce is a nice skater but it was just lovely and boring. Honestly, forgettable (not her but the program) I didn't agree with the TES in the SP, but in the FS she deserved the TES lead. However, I would definitely rank Isabeau, Mone, and Hana far ahead in PCS.

My impression was the same as the SP. Very pretty, very forgettable. She deserved to win, so good for her, but one viewing is enough.

As for who deserved what ranking in PCS: Does it matter? These programs are virtually indistinguishable. The event just finished, and I can't even remember who skated to what.

So far this season, the only women's programs I've enjoyed even a little are Sarah Everhardt's, and she skated to Riverdance and Firebird for goodness sake. Her programs at least have some fire to them, and those two warhorses stand out in the ocean of generically lovely or club skank.
 
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4everchan

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The ISU has to pay to house and feed the judges during competitions so it's "too expensive" and also they said that the judges would be "too bored" without clicking a button every 5 seconds :rolleye:
they don't need to get more judges though.
they could simply take 3 judges doing GOE and Skating Skills
3 judges doing GOE and Composition
and 3 judges doing GOE and Performance.

So that way, we woudn't have judges giving the same mark for each component... A great skater with bad choreo may be earning their score in Skating skills and losing some in choreo...

There is always a solution
 

Magill

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The ISU has to pay to house and feed the judges during competitions so it's "too expensive" and also they said that the judges would be "too bored" without clicking a button every 5 seconds :rolleye:
I know. I was just being sarcastic.
Still, I repeat:
Honestly, either you are able to secure sufficient funding for the sport to have fair and decent judging, or you just do not run for managerial positions in it as you're just not fit for the job. Honestly, it is just one way or another.
 

lariko

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Honestly, I would just do TES plus Skating Skill bonus, and add an Artistic Medal in each competition for the composition/performance in addition to 3 winners in athletics. This will remove the need to over-reward artistic skaters for bleak tech in GoE the way they do now.

Oh, and allow for different paradigms in Skating Skill so there is no unfair advantage for born-with soft knees.
 
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