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2024 CS Nebelhorn Trophy Women's FS

Ichatdelune

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I missed the competition, but what happened to Seoyeong Wi? Wasn't she a rising star in South Korea in her junior days? How did she place so low? I'm just reeeally nervous about the state of the South Korean women skaters right now, especially because baby Minsol is nowhere to be found.
She bombed her SP, skated early for her FS which was much better but imperfect, got harsh PCS and a lot of rotation calls. Don't fret, my beloved tends to peak later in the season and while all is not a bed of roses our girls are not going to plummet down just because of a few early season bad competitions. And Minsol... she's not going to represent Korea anymore, it's a painful subject so if you want more info talk to the Canadian skating fans
 
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Isk

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can you tell me where the César Franck comes into? I know his music.. played his most important works... but couldn't hear any Franck in there :) just elevator music ;)
Romantic. About 10 years younger that Chopin, Liszt & Schumann, about 10 years older than Brahms.
 

4everchan

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Romantic. About 10 years younger that Chopin, Liszt & Schumann, about 10 years older than Brahms.
that wasn't my question. I know who Franck is... I played his works. I couldn't hear any of his music in Mone's program... yet his name is listed there... that's what I was wondering "where" is Franck in this program
 
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Magill

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Honestly, I would just do TES plus Skating Skill bonus, and add an Artistic Medal in each competition for the composition/performance in addition to 3 winners in athletics. This will remove the need to over-reward artistic skaters for bleak tech in GoE the way they do now.
Then they do not need any program, nor any music. What for?
They can just perform the tricks one by one, in parallel lanes, a few skaters at a time, saving time as well as costs.. :biggrin:
Still, until they change the rules, with the rules they have in place now, it s the ISU's obligation to secure fair and professional judging and not moan about not having enough money. It is their job to find sufficient funding for this.
 

readernick

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My impression was the same as the SP. Very pretty, very forgettable. She deserved to win, so good for her, but one viewing is enough.

As for who deserved what ranking in PCS: Does it matter? These programs are virtually indistinguishable. The event just finished, and I can't even remember who skated to what.

So far this season, the only women's programs I've enjoyed even a little are Sarah Everhardt's, and she skated to Riverdance and Firebird for goodness sake. Her programs at least have some fire to them, and those two warhorses stand out in the ocean of generically lovely or club skank.
While I agree that one viewing is enough for Lin-Gracey, I don't agree that all the other skaters are the same.

Hana's programs are always very unique and out of the box. This FS is no exception. I can't see how anyone can watch it and think it's " the same" as others. Her choreography never plays to the feminine skater stereotype.

Isabeau interprets her music much much better and has much more complex choreo and better attention to detail.

Finally, while I find her FS generically pretty, Mone Chiba has absolutely incredible SS and extension.

All these skaters deserve higher PCS than Lin-Gracey.

I do agree that Sarah has a very well choreographed short program. That music works well with her power. Her lack of good SS is a limiting factor and she's not a exactly a natural performer but you can't fault her choreography for those things. Definitely one of the best programs of the year.
 

lariko

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Then they do not need any program, nor any music. What for?
They can just perform the tricks one by one, in parallel lanes, a few skaters at a time, saving time as well as costs.. :biggrin:
Still, until they change the rules, with the rules they have in place now, it s the ISU's obligation to secure fair and professional judging and not moan about not having enough money. It is their job to find sufficient funding for this.
I am just happy when the PCS marks don't reflect extreme bias and politics.
 

Isk

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that wasn't my question. I know who Franck is... I played his works. I couldn't hear any of his music in Mone's program... yet his name is listed there... that's what I was wondering "where" is Franck in this program
That I am not sure either. Maybe she used a bar or two of something, she didn't list the composition 🤷‍♀️:shrug:
 

CaroLiza_fan

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What is going on with the Overall Results page?

It is over an hour since the FS finished. The results of the FS are up on the FS Results page. Yet the page for the Overall Results has not been updated - it is still just displaying the standings after the SP.

The reason I am asking is that I have just updated the OP in Liza Gervits' Fan Fest, and it looks weird having everything filled in except the final position she finished in!

I suppose I could construct the results table myself, but it is a lot of work to go through for something that will eventually appear.

There seems to be a lot of things going wrong at the Nebelhorn this year. They never had problems like this before.

CaroLiza_fan
 

TontoK

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While I agree that one viewing is enough for Lin-Gracey, I don't agree that all the other skaters are the same.

Hana's programs are always very unique and out of the box. This FS is no exception. I can't see how anyone can watch it and think it's " the same" as others. Her choreography never plays to the feminine skater stereotype.

Isabeau interprets her music much much better and has much more complex choreo and better attention to detail.

Finally, while I find her FS generically pretty, Mone Chiba has absolutely incredible SS and extension.

All these skaters deserve higher PCS than Lin-Gracey.

I do agree that Sarah has a very well choreographed short program. That music works well with her power. Her lack of good SS is a limiting factor and she's not a exactly a natural performer but you can't fault her choreography for those things. Definitely one of the best programs of the year.

I'd refute what you're saying, but I've already forgotten what I saw and I'm not rewatching any of that.

But, I'm glad you enjoyed the competition. I never give up hope, so maybe something will intrigue me next time that I've missed so far.
 

Jammers

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US Ladies are killing it this early in the season and we still haven't seen Alysa, Lindsay and Bradie yet. Imagine if Ava was also healthy and competing Nationals is going to be brutal choosing 3 ladies for the Worlds team thank goodness the US got the 3rd spot back this year. And i think with this win that should put the talk of how Sarah should have gotten Skate America over Elyce to rest.
 
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US Ladies are killing it this early in the season and we still haven't seen Alysa, Lindsay and Bradie yet. Imagine if Ava was also healthy and competing Nationals is going to be brutal choosing 3 ladies for the Worlds team thank goodness the US got the 3rd spot back this year. And i think with this win that should put the talk of how Sarah should have gotten Skate America over Elyce to rest.
Indeed. Also with this new huge score Elyce should currently be nr. 1 on the replacement list before Sarah, so now Elyce will get the 2. spot before Sarah
 

Skating91

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Before anyone loses their minds:

Yes, Mone had an inordinate number of TES calls (6 qs!), which is extremely harsh but she does UR, especially in the start of the season. I fully expect her to fix those issues by the GP once she gets that mid-season extra pop off her jumps.

Elyce is a notorious UR skater, but her jumps in the free today looked very clean. I don't really have a problem with her TES score.

The judges were pretty harsh overall - Elyse, Isabeau, and Hana all got edge warnings on multiple jumps, so at least it was more consistent than the short.

The ISU has to pay to house and feed the judges during competitions so it's "too expensive" and also they said that the judges would be "too bored" without clicking a button every 5 seconds :rolleye:
Isabeau opening combo the first jump should have been a q, then the second jump is a definite underrotation. Massive pre-rotation too. Then on the attempted 3F-1Eu-3S her Euler almost looks like a step out, then the 3S is a definite underrotation. Then gets an edge call on the 3Lz, but lot of skaters would have been dinged a q there as well.

I don't understand this favouritism. She's a lovely skater who tries her best, but they are all trying their best.
 

RatedPG

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US Ladies are killing it this early in the season and we still haven't seen Alysa, Lindsay and Bradie yet. Imagine if Ava was also healthy and competing Nationals is going to be brutal choosing 3 ladies for the Worlds team thank goodness the US got the 3rd spot back this year. And i think with this win that should put the talk of how Sarah should have gotten Skate America over Elyce to rest.
Another 1-2 by American Ladies in this challenger circuit 😮 👏
(They are killing it this season)

Maddie …. Better skate here for her. I don’t worry about her because she has five events (3 more to go) to improve her SB.

I’m sad for Sara-Maude 😭
The other Canadian ladies don’t get too many chances. I was hoping she would skate her free skate, as well as she skated at her last domestic event. Still, 166.31 is just above the Canadian benchmark of 166. So, this will be a plus. I think her 9th place finish means she won’t get any points though. She needed top 8. I wanted her to beat Maddie here
 

Jammers

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Another 1-2 by American Ladies in this challenger circuit 😮 👏
(They are killing it this season)

Maddie …. Better skate here for her. I don’t worry about her because she has five events (3 more to go) to improve her SB.

I’m sad for Sara-Maude 😭
The other Canadian ladies don’t get too many chances. I was hoping she would skate her free skate, as well as she skated at her last domestic event. Still, 166.31 is just above the Canadian benchmark of 166. So, this will be a plus. I think her 9th place finish means she won’t get any points though. She needed top 8. I wanted her to beat Maddie here
I think Maddie needs to be beaten by another Canadian lady internationally to maybe wake her up and realize what's she's doing isn't going to cut it anymore.
 

Kris135

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I think Maddie needs to be beaten by another Canadian lady internationally to maybe wake her up and realize what's she's doing isn't going to cut it anymore.
I think Kayla could do it..She is the reigning Canadian champion so she has beaten her. I do not believe the Kayla has had an international assignment so far this season. It is almost like the national federation does not want a real show down between the two of them. Maddie has not done that much and I think Kayla might be able to do better and let's face it Canada needs to look at other skaters if they want more than one the spot to go to Olympics in 2026.
 

saine

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I’m sad for Sara-Maude 😭
The other Canadian ladies don’t get too many chances. I was hoping she would skate her free skate, as well as she skated at her last domestic event. Still, 166.31 is just above the Canadian benchmark of 166. So, this will be a plus. I think her 9th place finish means she won’t get any points though. She needed top 8. I wanted her to beat Maddie here
166 is the domestic benchmark, 155 is the international one. So she's well above it here. Hopefully Skate Canada recognizes that other skaters need experience too and give more Challenger assignments.

It's a shame about the 9th place finish. She finished 9th at Nebelhorn last year with a score 20 points lower than here, which shows how strong the field here was this year. Livia Kaiser placed 4th last year with a score of 169.47, and 5th this year with 191.24. So getting them out to different fields would help too.

I think Maddie needs to be beaten by another Canadian lady internationally to maybe wake her up and realize what's she's doing isn't going to cut it anymore.
She placed below Sara-Maude at 4CC 2023, so it has happened before.
I think Kayla could do it..She is the reigning Canadian champion so she has beaten her. I do not believe the Kayla has had an international assignment so far this season. It is almost like the national federation does not want a real show down between the two of them.
Kaiya is assigned to Denis Ten Memorial, so it's not a matter of not wanting a real show down. My opinion is that it's due to her coach having other students competing at a domestic competition next week, including the likely Junior Women champion for this season.
 
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