Jenny quitting?
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Um, show me where? In that case, I'll go ahead and take a couple
Anyway, in other cases, I hardly think that Cohen (I know you're referring to her) does the site to make money for herself. At least (I think) that's not the primary reason. I think the real problem here is her site is too COMMERCIAL and not PERSONAL. I can see why you think this way about her site compared to Hughes and Kirk. The way other skaters' websites are designed makes them feel more "personal", and more "in touch" with the fans. Cohen's site is more like a marketing vehicle for her, her goods, etc. I never liked that. The only thing that would make it seem like any kind of "personal" thing is her journal, and even then I get the impression that someone "fixes it up" to be posted. Kwan doesn't have a website at all but she doesn't really need one. (I think she's the kind to keep a low profile. I'm not surprised.)
Hughes doesn't have an official site, although she has a hand in contributing to her "official unofficial" web site run by Diane.
There. Tangents. That kills it right there
You know, if we HAD to stay on topic in this thread, I guarantee it wouldn't be any longer than 3 pages.
Kirk said she would retire, so I expect her to, and not make a comeback (unless she wants to do show skating). Unless she's Michael Jordan or something (which clearly she is not
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Red Dog said:Um, show me where? In that case, I'll go ahead and take a couple
On her 15th birthday, I sent her a card c/o usfsa, without asking for a picture, she sent one to me, very sweet of her. Same with Jenny, on her 18th birthday, I sent her a card, and she sent me an autograph picture.
About personal vs commercial website, I don't have a preference one way or anther. There is nothing wrong witn athletes selling trinkets on their official websites. Athletes are free to do so, and their fans are more than willing to buy the trinkets. That indicates the athletes are being business savvy, I don't see that as giving back to their fans. It is a business and $$ is involved, not giving back. The athletes can peddle anything they want on their sites including making excuses of their poor placement in competitions, but I don't think their fans can claim that is just something written for them and no others business, if these athletes drag in other athletes in making their excuses. For example if athlete A places poorly in a competition and post on his / her official website, that athlete B who beat him / her was just lucky.
I enjoy visiting Tiger Woods official site from time to time, he sells stuff on his site, and he post journal entry from time to time, he never makes excuses or belittle his competitors achievement.
Back to Jenny, I will miss her a lot, I hope she keeps updating her site, I enjoy reading her journal since she was 14.
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gezando said:
If it's true, good for you. Now send me a copy
You say athletes who make "excuses of their poor placement in competitions". That's a rather general, scathing statement to make. Can you back up your point by giving me an example of such behavior? Also provide me with examples illustrating your other points (athletes making excuses, in it for the $, etc.), because I'm having a hard time buying it for some reason.
Again, please provide me an example of someone who does.
I don't know if I will miss her or not but I was shocked and somewhat sad to see her go. Especially since she was so enthusiastic about next season. :disapp:
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Red Dog said:If it's true, good for you. Now send me a copy
Interesting choice of word "if it is true"
When I sent Sarah the Birthday card I did not expect her to send me a picture. If you want one, you have to get your own, I only have one copy.Not at all a general scathing statement, I am not saying all athletes do that.
http://apse.dallasnews.com/contest/2002/writing/100-250/100-250.gamer.second.html
No problem Divac's excuse that Horry's shot was just a lucky bounce / shot, I like Divac, but IMO that is making excuse plain and simple, and in the process of making lame excuse, dissing a competitor's accomplishment.
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Sacramento's Vlade Divac slapped at it, sending the ball straight to a wide-open Horry. Given that Horry won Game 3 at Portland in the first round, clinched Game 5 against San Antonio in the semifinals and won Game 3 at Philadelphia in last year's Finals, all in similar 3-point fashion, it was arguably the wrong place to slap a ball.
"A miraculous finish," coach Phil Jackson said.
A lucky bounce, Divac said.
"He shouldn't have tipped it out there," Horry said, smiling. "It wasn't a luck shot"
IMO that is making excuse, I don't care if you think that is making general scathing statement.
If you want some more example of interesting sportsmanship check out Warren Sapp's official site, he has a victim's list, posting pictures of QBs that he will sack in this coming season. But that is trash talk. If he can indeed make good on his prediction, more power to him, if not, expect the fans ofl the QBs victim list to make some noise.
Same goes with e.g. if a skater said at the beginnig of the season that her programs are so superior than the others skaters too choreographed and too chiseled programs , and if a skater made such a statement, then that too would be trash talking.There is nothing for you to buy, it is not for sale. BTW, I said when athletes sell trinkets on their official websites, when money is involved it is a business. I did not say "in it for the money" I already gave the example of Tiger's website selling golf shirts etc. But if you find Tiger's official website a bit boring, Anna Kournikova's maybe more interesting to you, she has tons of stuff to sell there. It is business IMO when money is involved, and they have to pay tax on the profit.
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I'd say Divac's comment was made out of frustration. (Was this interview done immediately after the game?) I don't think he meant to belittle Horry's accomplishment, but I agree with you here. It DID come across that way IMO.
About the signature, I was kidding when I said I wanted a copy, but hey, who here wouldn't want Sarah's autograph? (Rhetorical question here).
Still, I'm going to press you some more. If I read your words correctly, you said athletes who make excuses of their POOR PLACEMENT IN COMPETITIONS. In a basketball game you either win or lose. There is no "poor placement" to speak of here. (Same with tennis). So although technically your example works in one sense, it still doesn't justify the comment you made above.
Football players, fans and commentators trash talk all the time. There's nothing new here. It's become part of the game. And although IMO it's not fair to compare ice skating to football (total opposites!) show me a skater who thinks his/her programs are superior. A skater will almost never say such comment (in public), because she will get chewed up if heard.
BTW- "not buying it" is an expression for "I don't believe you." I didn't believe or agree with the points you were making, and wanted you to explain them further.
About the signature, I was kidding when I said I wanted a copy, but hey, who here wouldn't want Sarah's autograph? (Rhetorical question here).
Still, I'm going to press you some more. If I read your words correctly, you said athletes who make excuses of their POOR PLACEMENT IN COMPETITIONS. In a basketball game you either win or lose. There is no "poor placement" to speak of here. (Same with tennis). So although technically your example works in one sense, it still doesn't justify the comment you made above.
Football players, fans and commentators trash talk all the time. There's nothing new here. It's become part of the game. And although IMO it's not fair to compare ice skating to football (total opposites!) show me a skater who thinks his/her programs are superior. A skater will almost never say such comment (in public), because she will get chewed up if heard.
BTW- "not buying it" is an expression for "I don't believe you." I didn't believe or agree with the points you were making, and wanted you to explain them further.
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And I disagree, whether that is made out of frustration or not, that is making excuse JMO. Whether he meant to or not, he was belittling Horry's accomplishment
you asked for an example, I gave you an example, I have a feeling, even if I quote you 100 examples you will continue to view things your way, and I am not here to change your mind. IMO placement is appropriate to describe basketball games, I try not to use the word loser, therefore I said poor placement. In NBA, it is not just win or lose, there is placement involved. The total number of games won or lost led to a team's placement in the conference. A player's stat on block shots etc qualifies him or her for the placement of the number one defensive player etc That will be your interpretation, to me Divac's example perfectly justify what I said .
IIRC a skater did make that comment a couple of seasons ago, I do not remember who though. I don't think fans will chew up the skater for trash talk, I think that skater's fan will defend him or her, and attack anyone who dare to bring that up. Why are you so surprise that ice skaters trash talk?? Are you putting
your favorite skater on a a pedestal?? Do you think your favorite skater can do no wrong??Have you heard of Harding??
BTW, I know what "not buying it" means, when I said it is not for sale I mean I really don't care whether your believe, or not, agree or disagree.
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gezando said:
Well, that's your opinion. I said I agree with you on YOUR point. MY point though is that although his comment seemed to belittle Horry's shot, I don't think he said that comment with the intention of dissing Horry; maybe he said it just out of frustration for losing a game that his team nearly won. I don't know, maybe you or I would make such comments after losing a close game? Sometimes emotions get in the way of rational thought. Ever think of that...?
Maybe he did mean ill, only he knows. I'm only stating my impression from reading the article.
Whatever, I don't agree with you but we can leave it at that. Yes there is placement involved (as in standings) BUT the game in question was in the middle of a hotly contested Lakers/Kings playoff series. In this case winning the game comes first.
Did I say I was surprised? Why are you putting words in my mouth? I said a skater normally wouldn't make such comment IN PUBLIC. Sure, I bet she would think so to herself and maybe to the rink mates, but seriously, there is an "ice princess" mentality in skating. She would get chewed up by the fans and the press.
There is no skater I need to put "on a pedestal", so why are you even bringing this up? I never mentioned the name of a specific skater; I'm talking generalities here.
Well, take it or leave it. No one is telling you to agree with anyone. The best we can do is state and/or argue our points. I don't think either of us will change each other's mind. But debating is fun, is it not? Otherwise why are we even here?
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