Lysacek Does it Again

[La Rhumba]

Of course not. Ideally, you want a very balanced skater. I very much prefer Brian, Lambiel etc. They really combine athletism and artistry well.

hmmmm? Brian is tres cute, but an artistic skater on a par with Stephane he certainly aint, and his programmes are duller than dull.

I guess you fall into the Elvis Stojko camp whereas I still swoon for the likes of John Curry, and don't care how many Quads Plushy landed in Torino, his performance will never compare with Curry's in 76.

 

[Germanice]

Who did they think should have won (bronze)?

They saw Weir in 3rd and Li in 4th position.

Anke

 

[Germanice]

Good question.

Maybe they thought Lindemann was overlooked? I don't think so.

Joe

Ha-ha, good one!

All in all Lysacek may have his jumps right now, but artistically/presentationwise he's still no way better or worse than Lindemann ever was. :yes:

Anke

 

[Jaana]

Cannot agree more, Kittycat! :agree: Lysacek seems to be judges daaahhling since 2005 at least, when he "won" Worlds Bronze, and nobody (in Europe) really got why. I still remember how German Eurosport commentators were totally shocked/disgusted about the result.

Anke

Wrong, Anke! In my opinion Lysacek has deserved every medal he has won, But you see, I became a big fan as he still was a junior skater, and have followed his career with great interest. He is a very strong freeskate skater and an excellent competitor, and I really like that. But of course I would prefer him to succeed in short programme as well.

I also see Lysacek as an artistic skater, many skaters have their own type of artistry. He has lots of passion and power, his person looks good on the ice.

On the other hand, I like Weir´s skating as much as that of Lysacek. Skaters do not need to be from just one mold, so to speak, LOL, for me to become a fan.

 

[slutskayafan21]

Ha-ha, good one!

All in all Lysacek may have his jumps right now, but artistically/presentationwise he's still no way better or worse than Lindemann ever was. :yes:

Anke

Although I am no Lysacek fan I am not sure I agree with you on his artistry/presentation being neither no worse or no better then Lindemann. I would say he is more advanced then Lindemann in showmanship, performance level, and basic skating.

I do agree he is a highly inflated skater by the judges, who did not deserve his world bronze in 2005, which is what started his being the anointed one by the judging community ever since. I just laugh off his scores now, I used to get annoyed by them, but I view them as a source of comedy more then anything, especialy with no superstar in the mens field-Plushenko or Lambiel, to spark my interest that much in the discipline this year.

 

[enlight78]

Wrong, Anke! In my opinion Lysacek has deserved every medal he has won, But you see, I became a big fan as he still was a junior skater, and have followed his career with great interest. He is a very strong freeskate skater and an excellent competitor, and I really like that. But of course I would prefer him to succeed in short programme as well.

I also see Lysacek as an artistic skater, many skaters have their own type of artistry. He has lots of passion and power, his person looks good on the ice.

On the other hand, I like Weir´s skating as much as that of Lysacek. Skaters do not need to be from just one mold, so to speak, LOL, for me to become a fan.

I agree. I think people are basing everything on his weak choereography. If you pay attention to his subtle movements it easy to see th passion and fire in his skate. He got great speed and confidence in his skate. He deserve his PCs. Does he deserve the GOE's on his spins? That is another question.

 

[julietvalcouer]

First: kittycat, keep up with the whole "REAL fans" vs. "idiots" attitude, and I'm going to keep reporting you for flaming. That's a nasty attitude.

Second: Personally, I want to see jumps in the men's, and I want to see attitude and the ability to really grab the crowd. Not necessarily pretty skating--even male ballet dances tend to lean to power and flexibility rather than grace, and frankly where I'm sitting that's as it should be. (And if I were a judge, I'd take points off for every tortured-artist see-me-suffer facial expression just because it's annoying, but that's just me.) Heck, I enjoyed Ryan Bradley's nationals skate far more than Weir's because he fought for everything and truly skated like he had nothing to lose, while Weir looked defeated before he started to skate. (And no, that's not Evan's fault. It's no one but Johnny's. You can go into a competition knowing you're going to lose and still give it your all.) It's why I begged and pleaded with the TV screen all the way through Scott's LP and why he ended up stuck in fifth again--he skates all right, but the jumps aren't there and he never fights for it. In men's, I want power, fight, command of the audience, salesmanship, not necessarily grace and pretty pointed toes.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

I'd take points off for every tortured-artist see-me-suffer facial expression just because it's annoying, but that's just me.)

Good points. Not easy to sit through 2 hours of Dance with those tortured faces.

Joe

 

[Germanice]

Wrong, Anke! In my opinion Lysacek has deserved every medal he has won, But you see, I became a big fan as he still was a junior skater, and have followed his career with great interest. He is a very strong freeskate skater and an excellent competitor, and I really like that. But of course I would prefer him to succeed in short programme as well.

I also see Lysacek as an artistic skater, many skaters have their own type of artistry. He has lots of passion and power, his person looks good on the ice.

On the other hand, I like Weir´s skating as much as that of Lysacek. Skaters do not need to be from just one mold, so to speak, LOL, for me to become a fan.

Sorry, Jaana! Cannot agree with you (again)! To me Lysacek does almost nothing beetween his jumps but running around. He's lacking movements, expression and charisma. If he doesn't change dramatically, the guy goes pretty "straight" in Elvis Stojko's direction. But what can I say? Different strokes for different people.

How's Ilia doin', btw.? You know, he's the one we'll never ever disagree over.

Anke

 

[attyfan]

I understand the "debate" why Lysacek is the USFA's pet, but why should the rest of the judges agree?

As far as the 2005 Worlds -- how did Weir and Li do in the QR and SP? I thought that Lysacek beat Weir, not because of his FS, but because of his other two skates.

 

[slutskayafan21]

I understand the "debate" why Lysacek is the USFA's pet, but why should the rest of the judges agree?

As far as the 2005 Worlds -- how did Weir and Li do in the QR and SP? I thought that Lysacek beat Weir, not because of his FS, but because of his other two skates.

Lysacek beat Weir in the free skate as well IIRC. Weir only did 7 jumping passes which lost him points. I thought Li was underscored at the 2005 Worlds in both the short and free skate but I would have to examine the protocals again to where he lost ground.

 

[chuckm]

At 2005 Worlds (both Weir's and Lysacek's first), Li was 3rd and Weir was 4th in the same QR. Weir was suffering from a very sore foot, and had taken a pain injection in his foot which hurt in that he fell in the SP and was 9th (Li was 6th). So when it came time for the FS, Li was in 6th place overall and Johnny in 7th, so that Li was in the final group to skate, but Johnny was in the next-to-last group. Li's FS was terribly front-loaded: he landed 4T and 4S right off at the start of the program, but only one combo (3A3T) and he singled the axel and got -GOE on jumps at the end of the program, because as usual he slowed up and tailed off badly; his PCS scores also showed the wooden character of his presentation. I do not believe he was underscored at all. Weir landed only one combo, but he did land all the triple jumps with no falls and fought through the pain in his foot (he had opted not to have the pain injection for his FS).

Johnny finished 6th in the FS and Li, 7th.

The final standings:
Lambiel
Buttle
Lysacek
Weir
Li
Joubert

 

[evenstar]

Li had the most dull men's freeskate I saw that night. Johnny was O.K, but his ankle injury was obviously still hurting him. His circular footwork had a near fall in it. Evan was also O.K. Nothing special. His PCS were lower than Johnny's and about the same as Joubert's.

 

[julietvalcouer]

Good points. Not easy to sit through 2 hours of Dance with those tortured faces.

Joe

Lol! My ballroom instructor on the tango: "Tango is passion. If they look constipated, they're doing it wrong." (Imagine that said in a Hungarian accent for added humor.)

But some of the singles folks are just as bad, especially in men, although they also get the "Look at me! I'm SERIOUS!" furrowed brows (I noticed that a lot at Euros.)

 

[antmanb]

But some of the singles folks are just as bad, especially in men, although they also get the "Look at me! I'm SERIOUS!" furrowed brows (I noticed that a lot at Euros.)

Maybe they were just all constipated?!

Ant

 

[FantAsia]

As far as the 2005 Worlds -- how did Weir and Li do in the QR and SP? I thought that Lysacek beat Weir, not because of his FS, but because of his other two skates.

http://www.isufs.org/results/wc2005/CAT001RS.HTM

 

[Jaana]

How's Ilia doin', btw.? You know, he's the one we'll never ever disagree over.

Anke

Ilia will be skating in a Moscow show this evening (Tarasova Jubilee show). He has appeared in some SOI 2007 shows as a guest star and will continue in the last six shows.

 

[jennylovskt]

I would not take the scores seriously from now on. To me, Evan's LP was choreographed poorly. What was he doing with his both arms swinging around at the same time in the same direction? One or two this kind of movement would be the most I could tolerate in a program. Yes, I agree that he skated with power. That was it, and that was all. As somebody mentioned, his skating was sloppy, the spins traveled, the jumps cheated here or there. With all these, he could still get such high marks? Maybe the judges who marked these competitions were not the judges from last a few years? Maybe to have these judges mark Plushenko, he would get the marks close to 200?

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Yes, I agree that he skated with power. That was it, and that was all. As somebody mentioned, his skating was sloppy, the spins traveled, the jumps cheated here or there. With all these, he could still get such high marks? Maybe the judges who marked these competitions were not the judges from last a few years? Maybe to have these judges mark Plushenko, he would get the marks close to 200?

Plushenko didn't skate at this venue. You offer a big complement to Lyacek in comparing him to Plushenko.

We'll see how sloppy he is on Sunday, and see if all the other skaters in that competition have perfect programs.

Joe

 

[jennylovskt]

Plushenko didn't skate at this venue. You offer a big complement to Lyacek in comparing him to Plushenko.

We'll see how sloppy he is on Sunday, and see if all the other skaters in that competition have perfect programs.

I meant to say that Plushenko would be marked close to 200. Maybe my writing gave the wrong impression. English is not my native language. I am learning. I might make many mistakes and I wouldn't even know.

It seems that I have already known a lot about 4CC before I watch it. I know Evan was the best one in men's at this competition. But the marks somehow seemed outrageous.