Medvedeva leaving Eteri

[m3lita]

Lol w all this haters replying on Evgenia. I usually don't write just lurk around, but if someone deserves to have the benefit of the doubt on improving TES is Evgenia. This is the same girl everyone predicted at 14 she wouldn't make it far. This is the same girl no one believed would make it to Olys bc of her injury. And this is the same girl who despite Alina having better TES than her managed to beat her at FS without being fully recovered from her injury. Evgenia might not be the best technical skater, but I believe in her more than in many skaters bc the girl wants it & bc she works hard for it. People talk about her as if she didn't improve season after season, yes she has a flutz but it's a flat edge when she doesn't get a call & as far as I know even Yuna had a flat edge on her flip bc you can count w one hand all the skaters that have all the jumps perfect. I doubted her too, I doubted she would have the balls to leave Eteri, and that she would stay relevant until Beijing, I don't know if she would do it, but I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt & if you're a FS fan & not just a hater in disguise you should too.

 

[Osmond4gold]

Perhaps working with Jeff Buttle and those beautiful performances in Japan, just seemed so natural. If it ever happened, we Canadians would welcome her as if she was home I guarantee you! Not that we could ever replace home, but we would be honoured to have her for even a few months a year, as we have with Yuna, Hanyu, Javier, L'il Bet , Ryom/Kim, Papadakis/Cizeron, Hubbell/Donahue, Ashley and others.

 

[Danny T]

Her 4S potential is also questionable to me. But her edge jumps are her strength. So if she manages to fix her axel, if a 4S is being discussed, I don't see why 3A isn't. Orser saw something there. I won't lie and say I know what, though.

Judging by her current jumping all kinds of quads and 3A are questionable, I would say. But her 3S is much better than her 2A, so if I have to put money somewhere it's the 4S. Plus, the axel is a weird jump, even some edge jumpers are not the most comfortable with it.

But if Mr. Orser can pull out that miracle, I wouldn't complain

 

[MaiKatze]

I totally get what you mean by even if she improves with Orser it can't really be shown in her scores, since she has nearly maxed out in the current system with her layout. Perhaps rule changes could help her, but if females hypothetically did have quads it probably wouldn't matter, because as you said the point difference is too great. I think the question is though: Are senior female ladies capable of doing rotated quads at least semi-consistently in competition? I'm not so sure if the answer is yes. Triple axels look to be on the rise, but even still we have seen that jump fail Mirai, Mao, Rika, etc. over and over again. We really have yet to see a senior woman who can jump triple axels and quads consistently in competition. Trusova can do it now, but can she do it if she's 17? Personally I think Evgenia is banking on the answer being no. Even among the men we see it causes so much inconsistency and injury, will something like that hold up under pressure when you are at nationals in an Olympic year? How long can a female remain uninjured practicing quads?

That's the big question, isn't it? I personally don't believe each and every of these girls will make it. But one or two sure will. Once a barrier is crossed there is no going back. If the age restriction is not coming, there will be a skater jumping quads in seniors in the coming years. The triple axel will become more important, and even more skaters will train it. I'm crying because I won't see my favourite russian skaters at the top level ever again. If they only were german, they could have a long career with ups and downs.....:sad46:

 

[chopinskate]

Judging by her current jumping all kinds of quads and 3A are questionable, I would say. But her 3S is much better than her 2A, so if I have to put money somewhere it's the 4S. Plus, the axel is a weird jump, even some edge jumpers are not the most comfortable with it.

But if Mr. Orser can pull out that miracle, I wouldn't complain

IF the 2A is fixed, undoubtedly Orser will give her the motivation and all the technique she needs for mastering the 3A.

 

[Yatagarasu]

19 pages in 4 hours. :yes:

Nobody does drama like the Russians. Nobody

 

[demarinis5]

19 pages in 4 hours. :yes:

I know. This is Big Off Season News for us skating fans!

 

[edge of transition]

Lol w all this haters replying on Evgenia. I usually don't write just lurk around, but if someone deserves to have the benefit of the doubt on improving TES is Evgenia. This is the same girl everyone predicted at 14 she wouldn't make it far. This is the same girl no one believed would make it to Olys bc of her injury. And this is the same girl who despite Alina having better TES than her managed to beat her at FS without being fully recovered from her injury. Evgenia might not be the best technical skater, but I believe in her more than in many skaters bc the girl wants it & bc she works hard for it. People talk about her as if she didn't improve season after season, yes she has a flutz but it's a flat edge when she doesn't get a call & as far as I know even Yuna had a flat edge on her flip bc you can count w one hand all the skaters that have all the jumps perfect. I doubted her too, I doubted she would have the balls to leave Eteri, and that she would stay relevant until Beijing, I don't know if she would do it, but I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt & if you're a FS fan & not just a hater in disguise you should too.

Excellent post. Well said

 

[Danny T]

yes she has a flutz but it's a flat edge when she doesn't get a call & as far as I know even Yuna had a flat edge on her flip bc you can count w one hand all the skaters that have all the jumps perfect.

I'm not bashing on Evgenia, but actually the depth of the edge required on lutz and flip jumps are different. A true flip can be jumped with only a slight inside edge, which Yuna did, but a true lutz must have a clear and deep outside edge. Nobody jumps flip with as deep an inside edge as their lutz. It's just in ISU definition.

 

[OS]

Oh, yes, Yuzu and Zhenya training together.

Ok I am begging for a sequel just for fan service.

The thought Wakaba and Evegenia will be Yuna daughters makes me giggly. Will they get Wilson programs too? Anything would be an improvement from Averbukh.

 

[yume]

Do you often see Orser let his pupils attempt hard jumps or upgrade drastically their content? For Orser it's quality over difficulty. Yuzu had to fight hard to have 2 quads in SP and 3 in FS, and add the 4lo in his programs. The biggest risk that Yuna ever take was her 3lz-3T (it was not even so a risk). He put down Lil bet tech contents though the girl fully rotate a 4S in practice since 2 years.

 

[Elucidus]

I wouldn't hope even in wildest dreams that joint gala performance with Yuzu can become so much closer to reality :shocked::hap93:

 

[m3lita]

I'm not bashin on Evgenia, but actually the depth required on lutz and flip jumps are different. A true flip can be jumped with only a slight inside edge, which Yuna did, but a true lutz must have a clear and deeper outside edge compared to the flip. Nobody jumps flip with as deep an inside edge as their lutz. It's just in ISU definition

Well that's why Yuna got calls on her flip & stopped using it at some competitions, bc ISU definitions are the ones that matter not what Yuna's fans call a flip

 

[Ice Dance]

19 pages in 4 hours. :yes:

And Eteri hasn't even had her say yet.

 

[kwanatic]

Will they get Wilson programs too? Anything would be an improvement from Averbuk.

Honestly if she does in fact go to Orser, this is what I'm most excited about. I have wanted to see Evgenia with a different choreographer for a while...now it might actually happen. I find her infinitely more enjoyable when she's not doing the same thing she's been doing since juniors. I'd love to see Evgenia try different kinds of music and styles. I think she'd pull them all off very well.

Can't wait to see how all of this unfolds. One thing is for sure, this is definitely the story of the summer so far!

 

[Elucidus]

Now we can expect next season Medvedeva to be invited to.. Skate America and Skate Canada GP events :roll9:

 

[begin]

Well that's why Yuna got calls on her flip & stopped using it at some competitions, bc ISU definitions are the ones that matter not what Yuna's fans call a flip

She literally never skated a program without a flip...

 

[Yatagarasu]

Do you often see Orser let his pupils attempt hard jumps or upgrade drastically their content. For Orser it's quality over difficulty. Yuzu had to fight hard to have 2 quads in SP and 3 in FS, and add the 4lo in his programs. The biggest risk that Yuna ever take was her 3lz-3T (it was not even so a risk). He put down Lil bet tech contents though the girl fully rotate a 4S in practice since 2 years.

Little Bet was injured.

Anyway, Orser certainly won't rush to upgrade her tech. This is not Orser's style. He builds from the ground up. Zhenya on the other hand needs a tech upgrade. She's also still banned from jumping, and coming off this injury.

So this season, 18/19 I doubt very much we'll see anything new, except hopefully slow, overall, betterment (and good lord, proper programs, thank you skating gods). There is only Alina too from Russia so as long as she keeps competitive as this season, it's fine. But the season after that, we have three little monsters coming in (and I'm using the affectionate monster here, as in Japan, especially as I adore Kostornaya) and Orser knows this. So he has an entire season to build her back up and see how the new rules are being implemented. Then the following off season, they can decide if and what needs to be upgraded.

He may be cautious but he has also learned from Yuzuru that you can't always be too cautious. If he thinks she can, he'll work on it with her to up the tech. If not, he'll work to polish what she has to the utmost level. Both of those are good, especially as while they're doing that, she won't be exposed to the same pace as a 13yo that her body just cannot take any longer. Fewer injuries, longer stable training periods, better quality sessions. She chose well, the best really that she could have.

 

[SXTN]

Do you often see Orser let his pupils attempt hard jumps or upgrade drastically their content. For Orser it's quality over difficulty. Yuzu had to fight hard to have 2 quads in SP and 3 in FS, and add the 4lo in his programs. The biggest risk that Yuna ever take was her 3lz-3T (it was not even so a risk). He put down Lil bet tech contents though the girl fully rotate a 4S in practice since 2 years.

I think Zhenya knows that next season could be her last one on the big stage with the quadzillas coming up. So it's more a make a change now or never thing and not about learning 3A and quads under Orser. Her other option is to stay with Eteri and watch all girls do quads, 3A's and backloaded -3Lo combos all day long. This would be almost masochism

 

[Ice Dance]

Now we can expect next season Medvedeva to be invited to.. Skate America and Skate Canada GF events :roll9:

Don't bet on it. Papadakis & Cizeron have never skated at either.