Men's LP

[Spun Silver]

Way to go, Patrick! The maturity and elegance of his skating skills won this for him, IMO. So it's Chan, Kozuka, Preaubert?

I feel bad for Brian. What a painful defeat for him at home.

Thanks for the pbp, Fumie Fumie!

 

[liketotally]

I really don't get what the judges see in Patrick Chan - he's not doing the hardest technical stuff, he often makes mistakes, and yet his tech scores are very high. How on earth did a guy with no quad, no 3A in combo and two mistakes on the jump landings get the kind of score he did? I can understand how PCS scores might be weird but tech should be fairly straightforward.

I definitely agree with this... just where did all the points come from?

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Interesting comp except for the Americans and Bradley falling back into the other group, ugh. Peter Liebers is a skater to watch in the future. Lots of potential.

This is not typically Joubert. He'll get back his elite status, and talking about elite status, we have to now include Kozuka and Chan. They belong in the most talked about circles of figure skating.

Most interesting for me was Peaubert who got rid of his giddy style, and that Russian number he did was amazing. Unfortunately, I don't think he will make the Finals, and Joubert is now questionable. JMO.

 

[ceg15]

Yeahhh patrick channnn!!

 

[museksk8r]

Poor Taka, attempting a failed quad cost him this championship.

 

[turtle]

I really don't get what the judges see in Patrick Chan - he's not doing the hardest technical stuff, he often makes mistakes, and yet his tech scores are very high. How on earth did a guy with no quad, no 3A in combo and two mistakes on the jump landings get the kind of score he did? I can understand how PCS scores might be weird but tech should be fairly straightforward.

If Kozuka hadn't had a fall on quad, he would have won this. Also, I won't be surprised if Kozuka got UR for his quad attempt. Remember the penalty for a failed quad is greater this season. Chan landed one clean 3A, and looked he had fully rotated his second 3A (just step out).

 

[Buttercup]

I definitely agree with this... just where did all the points come from?

If Kozuka hadn't had a fall on quad, he would have won this. Also, I won't be surprised if Kozuka got UR for his quad attempt. Remember the penalty for a failed quad is greater this season. Chan landed one clean 3A, and looked he had fully rotated his second 3A (just step out).

Just to add to this: Buttle was pristine-clean at worlds, did a 3A in combination, was level 3/level 4 on everything and got positive GOEs across the board. And his tech score was only 4 and a half points higher than Chan today. Chan's score of 79.80 is higher than what Joubert and KvdP got for tech at Worlds, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's in the ballpark of what Joubert got for the 3-quad program at 2006 CoR. Patrick Chan might have beautiful edges and he could be the nicest guy on earth - I have no idea about either - but I'm sorry, that's not the changing of the guard; that's Plushenko-like inflated scoring, and it's ridiculous.

 

[liketotally]

Protocols are out at the ISU site.

Kozuka's 4T was UR.

Interesting - in the SP, Chan's 3F in his 3F-3T combo was given !.

 

[enlight78]

This is Joubert's first time off the podium since 2006 Olympics, and I'm very concerned about the effect it might have on his confidence for the rest of the season and (even worse) for the Olympic season next year. He's now in his 8th year as a senior and I'd love to see him leave figure skating on a high note, not after another Torino-like disaster. Good for Alban for skating well, though.

I really don't get what the judges see in Patrick Chan - he's not doing the hardest technical stuff, he often makes mistakes, and yet his tech scores are very high. How on earth did a guy with no quad, no 3A in combo and two mistakes on the jump landings get the kind of score he did? I can understand how PCS scores might be weird but tech should be fairly straightforward.

Actually

his scores are not high. A maxed out two 3A program can score about 85 pts in the tes if skreaky clean. Chan only got 79. Buttle scored 163 + (before 3A and quad point increase)with a clean one.
A clean 2 quad program maxed can score 175+ if clean.
175-156(chan's score) is almost 20pts. The quad programs just haven't been clean enough to earn their full potential. It is just that the difference between clean and sloppy can add up to be between 10 to 20 points. Thanks to GOE's.

 

[Buttercup]

Now I see what happened: those are the most inflated GOEs since 2008 4CC, and while everyone seems to have gotten them, Chan was by far the main beneficiary.

Why would Brian not do a flip? Even with the wrong-edge call, he's throwing away points. And he got dinged with a UR, I don't remember ever seeing that for him.

 

[Love_Skate]

Patrick really reminds me of Jeff in his skating style. Jeff must be proud of him. Even they are similar to win a competition without a quad. Joubert may have something to say about it this time again.
I really liked Kozuka's skating, too. He is no longer someone who came out of nowhere.
Congratulations to the medalists, and hope Joubert comes back at the other competition and makes the GPF.

 

[Buttercup]

Actually

his scores are not high. A maxed out two 3A program can score about 85 pts in the tes if skreaky clean. Chan only got 79. Buttle scored 163 + (before 3A and quad point increase)with a clean one.
A clean 2 quad program maxed can score 175+ if clean.
175-156(chan's score) is almost 20pts. The quad programs just haven't been clean enough to earn their full potential. It is just that the difference between clean and sloppy can add up to be between 10 to 20 points. Thanks to GOE's.

But Patrick wasn't clean, and I doubt he was as brilliant on the elements as his GOEs indicate.

I don't expect to ever understand how PCS are determined. But a program with no 3A combo, with mistakes and with no quad, in combination or otherwise, should not get nearly 80 on TES. The TEB judging panel seems to have gone wacky with the GOEs.

 

[enlight78]

Now I see what happened: those are the most inflated GOEs since 2008 4CC, and while everyone seems to have gotten them, Chan was by far the main beneficiary.

Why would Brian not do a flip? Even with the wrong-edge call, he's throwing away points. And he got dinged with a UR, I don't remember ever seeing that for him.

I feel like the GOE's are finyally use correctly. They were to stingy before.

 

[cloudkicker09]

WOW Brian did not even make the podium, he has a lot of work to do until Euros

 

[bekalc]

Kozuka should have at least won the free skate. Chan should not be getting almost five points over Kozuka on PCS. Chan's better, but not that much better. And Kozuka's transition scores are high way robbery.

I don't know if he would have won this if he had done a clean double axel, and that's what makes this wrong.

 

[turtle]

I'm looking at protocols. As I had expected, Kozuka got UR for his quad, which net him only 1 point (after the deduction of 1 for the fall, actually it net him zero). As several people have already pointed out, his quad is killing his score.

I personally think that Chan's score at this competition is reasonable. His PCS score is not as high as at SC. I would definitely give him higher scores on transition, choreography and interpretation than any other skaters (except for Joubert, his interpretation and the choreography were beautiful.. I would put Chan and Joubert at the same level).

Chan may not have quads but he excels in many other aspects. But more than anything, he reminds me of Lambiel, who, despite his problems with some high-score jumps, was a brilliant performer, who could move the audience (I guess this could be subjective). I think Chan has the potential to grow as a brilliant performer like Lambiel.

 

[enlight78]

But Patrick wasn't clean, and I doubt he was as brilliant on the elements as his GOEs indicate.

I don't expect to ever understand how PCS are determined. But a program with no 3A combo, with mistakes and with no quad, in combination or otherwise, should not get nearly 80 on TES. The TEB judging panel seems to have gone wacky with the GOEs.

why not if some did the same program with a quad they would have higher PCS
and about 90 in the TES

 

[bekalc]

Kozuka's skating skills are amazing though as well that's why people are complaining. As for the quad killing Kozuka's score. I think it depends. IF Kozuka is landing clean quads consistently in practice, than Kozuka should go for the quad in competition. Eventually he'll get it, and the quad WOULD put him over Chan.

 

[ChiquitaBanana]

Goe

PAtrick Chan's jumps entry all alone deserve at leas a +1 if landed, +2 if the jump is as smooth as he does usually...

Stroke stroke stroke - jump is way easier than what Chan does.

 

[enlight78]

Kozuka should have at least won the free skate. Chan should not be getting almost five points over Kozuka on PCS. Chan's better, but not that much better. And Kozuka's transition scores are high way robbery.

I agree.