Nordic skating (FIN, SWE, NOR, DEN, ISL)

[norwegianfairytale]

After good FS at qualification - as I have written before, nationals and qualification competitions are taken into account in the scoring - Janna is now leading the list for the spot for Euros. It is a pity to have only one spot at home competition in women after having so many years two and once even three. Makar S. had tried 3A but had fallen. I did not watch men FS but read about it. I suppose skaters who have already confirmed the spot for nationals (I think I wrote it before but write it again that last years medalist got it automatically) often like to take part in also in qualifications, because they can test themselves in these games.

Jenni and Emmi did not compete yet? I did see Jenni post some skating clips on Instagram, so at least she is training.

 

[TT_Fin]

Jenni and Emmi did not compete yet? I did see Jenni post some skating clips on Instagram, so at least she is training.

Not yet. They have the spots for nationals automatically as last year medalists. Emmi does not often take part in qualifications. There will another qualifying comp. later but I don't remember when. There are still other skaters who have not competed twice.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Short clips from Maria&James competition where they got the bronze. I hope they will get international competition soon, I´m really looking forward to see their programs!

 

[norwegianfairytale]

The other day I suddenly discovered that Babeth Hansson Østergaard participated in local competitions in Sweden. She placed 3rd in Junior, and at Rink Result she was suddenly listed with the Swedish flag. But she participated for Denmark at JGP, and her ISU profile still says Denmark. I did also notice about her previous competitions that she had some competitions in Sweden before that. But I thought she perhaps had represented Sweden before and switched to Denmark Her surname sounds both Danish and Swedish so I guess she might be both.

However, searching a bit further it seems she is represented in the Swedish club Karlskrona, and she was picked to represent the club in local competitions dated this fall. This was published before she competed for Denmark in JGP. I didn´t think it was possible to represent clubs in two different countries.

https://www.karlskronaask.se/nyheter/?ID=367025&NID=939077

So I wonder if anyone know anything about this and why she competes in Sweden and for a Swedish club? Could it because there isn´t much competition in Denmark so she wants to compete in Sweden instead? This is very confusing. She seems to have a sister, Wendell Hansson Østergaard, she represents Sweden also, but she also competed in Danish Championship on Novice level in 2021 So she also seems to be switching between Denmark and Sweden, but mostly skates for Sweden.

 

[Tingeling]

The other day I suddenly discovered that Babeth Hansson Østergaard participated in local competitions in Sweden. She placed 3rd in Junior, and at Rink Result she was suddenly listed with the Swedish flag. But she participated for Denmark at JGP, and her ISU profile still says Denmark. I did also notice about her previous competitions that she had some competitions in Sweden before that. But I thought she perhaps had represented Sweden before and switched to Denmark Her surname sounds both Danish and Swedish so I guess she might be both.

However, searching a bit further it seems she is represented in the Swedish club Karlskrona, and she was picked to represent the club in local competitions dated this fall. This was published before she competed for Denmark in JGP. I didn´t think it was possible to represent clubs in two different countries.

https://www.karlskronaask.se/nyheter/?ID=367025&NID=939077

So I wonder if anyone know anything about this and why she competes in Sweden and for a Swedish club? Could it because there isn´t much competition in Denmark so she wants to compete in Sweden instead? This is very confusing. She seems to have a sister, Wendell Hansson Østergaard, she represents Sweden also, but she also competed in Danish Championship on Novice level in 2021 So she also seems to be switching between Denmark and Sweden, but mostly skates for Sweden.

Babeth has competed in "Elitserien" for several years, but never at Swedish nationals. She probably holds dual citizenship because her mother is Swedish, but Babeth has always represented Denmark. Same with her brother

Their mom is also their coach and my guess is that they've just spent a lot of time here, both training and competing. I found results dating back to 2015 when Babeth was skating for a different Swedish club. Not a bad idea to get more competition, like you said. She'd need a Swedish club license to compete in Swedish domestic competitions. At interclub competitions, she represents her Danish club.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Babeth has competed in "Elitserien" for several years, but never at Swedish nationals. She probably holds dual citizenship because her mother is Swedish, but Babeth has always represented Denmark. Same with her brother

Their mom is also their coach and my guess is that they've just spent a lot of time here, both training and competing. I found results dating back to 2015 when Babeth was skating for a different Swedish club. Not a bad idea to get more competition, like you said. She'd need a Swedish club license to compete in Swedish domestic competitions. At interclub competitions, she represents her Danish club.

Thanks a lot! This make sense. So I guess she is in the Swedish club as well so that she can actually compete at domestic competitions there.

Oh right, I totally thought Wendell was a girls name Checking his results now I see he competed in boys competitions. Also when I have a look at where he competed, I can totally understand why he wants to compete in Sweden as well. Situation with skating in Denmark for boys is the same as in Norway, in a domestic competition in Denmark he was the only novice skater, competing against himself. In the last competition in Sweden, he competed against 3 other Swedish boys, that must be far more motivating.

Another question, you might not know it - but would they be able to get a Swedish club license if it wasn´t for a possible dual citizenship? Just had me thinking if Norwegian boys could do the same if they wanted to compete against more skaters. For boys in clubs near Oslo it would be quite easy going to Sweden, they could go by car or train.

 

[Tingeling]

Another question, you might not know it - but would they be able to get a Swedish club license if it wasn´t for a possible dual citizenship? Just had me thinking if Norwegian boys could do the same if they wanted to compete against more skaters. For boys in clubs near Oslo it would be quite easy going to Sweden, they could go by car or train.

In theory, it seems possible. You don't have to be a Swedish citizen, but there could be rules about residency or active participation in the club. I'm not sure.

 

[annser]

Everybody that is a member in a Swedish club can compete as long as they have taken all Swedish tests. Both Babeth and Wendell has done the Swedish tests so that they can compete in Sweden.

When Sondre Oddevold Böe was a novice skater he also competed in Swedish competitions.

But as they said, they can compete and qualify for the Swedish elite serie, but they are not allowed to compete at Swedish nationals, if the qualify, as long as they competes at Danish nationals.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Everybody that is a member in a Swedish club can compete as long as they have taken all Swedish tests. Both Babeth and Wendell has done the Swedish tests so that they can compete in Sweden.

When Sondre Oddevold Böe was a novice skater he also competed in Swedish competitions.

But as they said, they can compete and qualify for the Swedish elite serie, but they are not allowed to compete at Swedish nationals, if the qualify, as long as they competes at Danish nationals.

Wow, I didn´t know that!

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Finally some update from the associations about the Norwegian entries for international competition before Christmas:

I´m not sure if this list includes only the member of the development team to OG 2026. This information was at the bottom of the article who described the recent gathering, but there are more skaters going to Slovakia this week (in novice cateogory) than mentioned below. I really hope this list isn´t complete, because I don´t see the Ice Dance team, and I really hope Maria & James will get a chance since they are capable of taking the EC minimums. But perhaps the association requires them to compete at Nationals before they get a chance, I don´t know...If that is the case, it won´t be in time for EC.

Most skaters below have gotten 3-4 competitions this half of the season. Oda and Mia both have 4 because of JGP. That´s very good. I´m sad to see that Francis Sutton is not listed, he is/was on the development team, so I don´t know what is up with him. It didn´t look like he was there this weekend either, so that is not a good sign. But i´m happy Daniil is getting 3 competitions, last season he only went to Nordics, so this is a big step for him! I actually don´t think any male skaters have gotten so many international competitions since Sondre, so that is great!

The list doesn´t say if they are competing in junior og senior competitions. So it will still be a mystery if Mia Caroline will continue doing juniors or go to senior competitions, but since she is going to Denkova Staviski Cup in 1,5 weeks there won´t be long before we know. At Santa Claus cup she is listed together/above Linnea and Frida who are seniors, usually they mention seniors first, so I think that is a good sign she will compete as senior there. It´s possible she will be doing a mix of senior and juniors competitions also. Linnea did that last season, but I think it was mostly because she needed the JWC minimum, Mia already has it from last season. But maybe she also needs to do one more junior competition if she want to be in the selections to JWC, i´m not sure they are considering senior results for junior selections.


Tirnavia Ice Cup,Slovakia, 27.-30.10

Oda Havgar

Daniil Valanov

Agnes Koller Løland

Denkova Staviski, Sofia, BULGARIA 4.-5.11

Mia Risa Gomez

Ice Challenge Graz, ØSTERRIKE, 9.-12.11

Linnea Kilsand

Frida Berge

Pernille With

Elea Rustgaard

Ida Vamnes

Open Andorra, ANDORRA, 17.-20.11

Mia Risa Gomez

Tallinn Trophy, ESTLAND, 24.-27.11

Oda Havgar

Santa Claus Cup, UNGARN, 28.11- 1.12

Mia Risa Gomez

Linnea Kilsand

Frida Berge

Pernille With

Ida Vamnes

Elea Rustgaard

Amalie Nordbø

Daniil Valanov

Latvia Trophy, LATVIA

Oda Havgar

Daniil Valanov

Agnes Koller Løland*

Emma Maevski*

 

[norwegianfairytale]

I actually found a update about Francis Sutton, there is a short information about his situation under the page of National team. It says he has a break due to injury Considering they made a note about it, and saying he has a break, it sounds like he is out for a long time.

It seems he can´t get a break from injuries. Since 2020 he only competed 3 times, last time in January at Nationals. He hasn´t had normal season for at least 2 years. This makes me really sad, 3 years ago he looked like a really promising skater to follow Sondres footsteps, and I was sure we would see him in JGP soon. It was looking like his triples was getting there, and he had a very nice 3S. I´m afraid with this setback after setback it will be hard to continue to top level when he is missing out on crucial junior years. It will be really difficult for him to meet the requirement of the association for the seniors when he is still at his level and can´t get further because of injury. To even be considered to skate for ISU Challengers or Championships he needs a triple triple and 4 different triples in seniors. I really hope he isn´t out for a long time. He is either 15 or 16 this year.

 

[TT_Fin]

After clean skate at Volvo open cup, Janna Jyrkinen got the minimum TES for worlds and because she already had got FS, now there is two Finnish women who are eligible to be chosen to worlds, Janna and Oona. In junior women there are already 10, who has got the minimums for JWC. Jan Ollikainen got today also minimum SP TES for senior men euros, but still needs FS but has not even skated at international competition for a while. I think he could do it and hope he has good day tomorrow. But there are several men looking for that spot. The technical level is not high, but while there is competition about the spots and also medals and nationals, maybe men go for more difficult jumps.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

After clean skate at Volvo open cup, Janna Jyrkinen got the minimum TES for worlds and because she already had got FS, now there is two Finnish women who are eligible to be chosen to worlds, Janna and Oona. In junior women there are already 10, who has got the minimums for JWC. Jan Ollikainen got today also minimum SP TES for senior men euros, but still needs FS but has not even skated at international competition for a while. I think he could do it and hope he has good day tomorrow. But there are several men looking for that spot. The technical level is not high, but while there is competition about the spots and also medals and nationals, maybe men go for more difficult jumps.

Congratz Janna

I see Emmi has the SP minimum but still needs the FS minimums for WC. So the FS tomorrow will be important. Of course, there is competitions after that, but it gets harder for every competition when there is fewer chances. Judging from the scoring today I think this is a good competition to get minimums, because the panel seems a bit friendly on calling rotations and they have been extremely strict on Challengers and GP so those will be harder for sure. So I think the clue for Emmi is to go for those jumps and risk falling in the FS, instead of popping jumps! (Probably easier for me to say, i´m not the one who has to take the fall ), but speaking of how to reach those poins.

 

[TT_Fin]

Emmi did not get the World FS minimum yet, but she stayed on her feed; one flip was "an balloon" and a couple of doubles,, Finns use that name of singles. For me it is really the same who gets the spots for championships, but to be honest I hope somebody else but Jenni, whose nerves have failed in all big competitions. Her style is beautiful, but she has problems to stay on her feet. If the federation asked me, I would say for worlds one competition scores would be reached in a competition at the second part of season. Otherwise IMO the rules are fair - only in nationals the favourites can go ahead of some others, this happened in 2020 (December 2019), when many of 16-year-olds skated clean,( Linnea, Sofia Sula, Vera Stolt) Jenni had disaster FS skate but they pushed her to silver by PCS scores.

Janna and Iida really nailed it in Riga. Iida had a random fall just soon after she started and some jumps where a little bit shaky in FS. The scores were near what she got from her first GP, so the judges were maybe little bit kind here, but their both wins were deserved. Janna is looking for senior competitions this season, but I guess if she will be selected to JWC, she will go. They are teammates and according to Janna's ig also friends, but they are main competitors to get the spot to JWC. If somebody else wants to get spots over them, clean skates are demanded. Janna strengthened her leadership position for Euros. But if Emmi can skate clean, she can climb ahead of Janna. In Euro's the main point is to be clean to reach top 10. I am sad that there is only one spot for Euros in years just when it is home competition. I will go there but probably will miss Wednesday, but we can discuss about that in Euro's thread when the comp. is closer.

 

[Lyyli]

I wonder will Janna after all get a GP Espoo spot because of her solid performances here and also at Finlandia. Looks like Linnea might still suffer from her back injury, Emmi is not yet fully recovered and Jenni has not competed yet.

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

I wonder will Janna after all get a GP Espoo spot because of her solid performances here and also at Finlandia. Looks like Linnea might still suffer from her back injury, Emmi is not yet fully recovered and Jenni has not competed yet.

Thank you for confirming that Jenni hasn't comepted yet this season. As the person who runs her Fan Fest, I kept meaning to ask if she had been to any domestic events that I did not know about.

By the way, she is entered for next week's Ice Challenge in Graz. So, we should get an indication then of what sort of form she is in. Although, as it finishes only a few days before the GP starts, it might be too late to replace her in the GP line-up if she is disappointing.

EDIT: Sorry, just realised that Espoo isn't the week after the Ice Challenge. The Senior GP Series goes to Japan before Finland, not the other way around.​

But, of course, I hope she does do well in Graz and gets to keep her GP slot!

CaroLiza_fan

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Thank you for confirming that Jenni hasn't comepted yet this season. As the person who runs her Fan Fest, I kept meaning to ask if she had been to any domestic events that I did not know about.

By the way, she is entered for next week's Ice Challenge in Graz. So, we should get an indication then of what sort of form she is in. Although, as it finishes only a few days before the GP starts, it might be too late to replace her in the GP line-up if she is disappointing.

But, of course, I hope she does do well in Graz and gets to keep her GP slot!

CaroLiza_fan

Once you get a GP spot, I don´t think it´s normal to replace someone just because of one bad performance. So the GP spot is her sif she wants to skate. It´s of course something else if she herself realize she is not prepared for GP after Ice Challenge in Austria. But I don´t think the Fed will replace her because they think she doesn´t deserve the spot anymore. Maybe i´m wrong, but I don´t think Jenni has the host spot, she was on the original top 75 SB list I think?

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

Once you get a GP spot, I don´t think it´s normal to replace someone just because of one bad performance. So the GP spot is her sif she wants to skate. It´s of course something else if she herself realize she is not prepared for GP after Ice Challenge in Austria. But I don´t think the Fed will replace her because they think she doesn´t deserve the spot anymore. Maybe i´m wrong, but I don´t think Jenni has the host spot, she was on the original top 75 SB list I think?

The problem is that Jenni is the classic example of a cactus. She always seems to do well in the SP, and then drops way down the order in the FS. It happened at every event she competed in last season, even when she won Nationals. So, if the Fed did want to replace her, they could argue that they are not just basing it on one bad result.

I honestly don't know what means were used to give her the slot. But, she was 63rd in the World Rankings and 52nd in the World Standings at the end of the season, if that means anything.

Anyway, I gotta rush off now and do the next reminder post for the Volvo Open Cup.

CaroLiza_fan

 

[TT_Fin]

I wonder will Janna after all get a GP Espoo spot because of her solid performances here and also at Finlandia. Looks like Linnea might still suffer from her back injury, Emmi is not yet fully recovered and Jenni has not competed yet.

Linnea had withdrawn from Riga FS because of migraine attack. Hope her back is ok. She one of those skaters, who skate at their best in big competitions.

Is Janna eligible to get a spot, if somebody withdraws? There are some rules for host spots also, aren't there? There have been in senior GP series skaters when they have skated at juniors previous season, so the world ranking is the point, isn't?

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Linnea had withdrawn from Riga FS because of migraine attack. Hope her back is ok. She one of those skaters, who skate at their best in big competitions.

Is Janna eligible to get a spot, if somebody withdraws? There are some rules for host spots also, aren't there? There have been in senior GP series skaters when they have skated at juniors previous season, so the world ranking is the point, isn't?

Janna competed in JGP so she can’t be picked for GP. You can’t do both in the same season