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Based off a certain YT channel, it has. I would ignore anyone who says any woman currently has a toe axel. No relevant competitor has done a toe axel since Mao in her junior days.
Really, which YT channel? Color me extremely out of the loop and highly confused by this changing definition as applied to Rika.
While I guess theoretically it is possible for a woman to still have a toe-axel, the problem with toe-axels is that it's inherently inefficient, so using it on a triple much less a quad, would not make sense. I'd be surprised if she gets off the ice. Furthermore, the indications would be far more obvious than what was seen in that clip, especially considering Rika has pretty good picking technique.

Anyways, I am happy that Rika and her team are working hard on her jumps. Maybe not the world's best technique, but her jumping technique is solid and close enough to full textbook. I'm also amused by the switch of entry for 4S, which IMO is the one that gives a better momentum and power for the jump. While the 4S attempt looks likely UR, it's possible that some of that is due to altitude, less training this season on the 4S and even change in entry method. I trust that she and her team are going to work well on it, and when she does it in comp, it should be fine.
 
Really, which YT channel? Color me extremely out of the loop and highly confused by this changing definition as applied to Rika.
Not with respect to rika. But that user's definition, to me, is extremely reminiscent of the KK definition of a "toe axel" used to attack certain other skaters. I don't believe that Rika has one. Your analysis of her toe loops might be the correct one, I'm not sure. Whether Rika has one or not by the KK definition, I don't care.

While I guess theoretically it is possible for a woman to still have a toe-axel, the problem with toe-axels is that it's inherently inefficient, so using it on a triple much less a quad, would not make sense. I'd be surprised if she gets off the ice. Furthermore, the indications would be far more obvious than what was seen in that clip, especially considering Rika has pretty good picking technique.

Maybe it's possible. I just don't think any (top) lady has one.
 
Really, which YT channel? Color me extremely out of the loop and highly confused by this changing definition as applied to Rika.
While I guess theoretically it is possible for a woman to still have a toe-axel, the problem with toe-axels is that it's inherently inefficient, so using it on a triple much less a quad, would not make sense. I'd be surprised if she gets off the ice. Furthermore, the indications would be far more obvious than what was seen in that clip, especially considering Rika has pretty good picking technique.

Anyways, I am happy that Rika and her team are working hard on her jumps. Maybe not the world's best technique, but her jumping technique is solid and close enough to full textbook. I'm also amused by the switch of entry for 4S, which IMO is the one that gives a better momentum and power for the jump. While the 4S attempt looks likely UR, it's possible that some of that is due to altitude, less training this season on the 4S and even change in entry method. I trust that she and her team are going to work well on it, and when she does it in comp, it should be fine.

At about here, https://youtu.be/M8_Jzo9oTXY?t=87, you can see that the 3T is taken off more than forwards. Her toe is still on the ice at almost a full revolution. This was an extreme; I haven't seen Rika do this again, and indeed her 4T entry is much better than this. Her 4S looks fine to me if she gets a bit more oomph into it.

Based off a certain YT channel, it has. I would ignore anyone who says any woman currently has a toe axel. No relevant competitor has done a toe axel since Mao in her junior days.

How would you define a toe-axel then? My definition is if you jump a toe loop while facing forwards, like an axel, and I'm not aware of any other definitions.
 
This is a real toe axel: https://youtu.be/uQ97p7BAxbY?t=31

You can look up Mao's, too, it's been discussed a few times on this website. Although that one was worse.

How is that different to the forward takeoff I've been describing on 3Ts? Mao's video was on a lutz, and you can't really call it a toe axel if you're jumping off the right foot (it's still overly prerotated though, I agree).
 
I'm pretty surprised by some of the comments here, considering the usual suspects aren't even here yet :scratch2: Her toe jumps are fine. Lutz and Flip have good toepick and edge and the toeloop is clearly a toepick assisted jump, she doesn’t use the full blade to vault up. Can someone please enlighten me about where exactly it is you see the excessive prerotation on her 4T? Idk i seem to have missed that. The level of PR seems totally fine tbh but...well...the quads are underrotated, but let’s not spread lies about her technique at least...

Let's remember that she said she'd "like to have a quad ready for next season" and "she's working on getting them better". She's neither rushing to add them to her layout just yet nor did she say they're already perfect so let's calm down. We'll see what they look like when they're ready and if next season she starts landing quads with terrible technique and getting positive GOEs for that, then we can get mad!

This^^
I prefer not to comment on a work in progress. :)
Clearly these quads are still new to Rika so they are still imperfect. Give it time.
 
Bit of a tangent, but Jack Gallagher's latest Ice Talk podcast features Jennifer Thomas, the composer of Rika's Beautiful Storm free program music.

https://soundcloud.com/user-983930015

There's actually some interesting discussion about how skaters use other artist's music and how she came to know about Rika using her music (a fan told her back in October, and gradually the fever intensified...)

Unfortunately, Jack himself speaks like he's being constantly stabbed in the stomach...
 
This is a real toe axel: https://youtu.be/uQ97p7BAxbY?t=31

You can look up Mao's, too, it's been discussed a few times on this website. Although that one was worse.

EXACTLY!!! It makes me wonder if these "PR nazis" have ever skated? I started off doing a toe-axel, it was obvious. Once I got used to the rotations I worked on getting the toe-loop. Rika is NOT doing a toe-axel at all. It is perfectly fine. The video masters who go frame by frame do not understand the mechanics of jumping. It's boring to hear them act all superior, because they don't know what they are even talking about.
 
How is that different to the forward takeoff I've been describing on 3Ts? Mao's video was on a lutz, and you can't really call it a toe axel if you're jumping off the right foot (it's still overly prerotated though, I agree).

First of all, it is Mai Asada, not Mao Asada. Secondly, you are referring to Mai's LUTZ and not her toe-axel. And thirdly, you have no idea what you are talking about. Thanks for the laugh.
 
First of all, it is Mai Asada, not Mao Asada. Secondly, you are referring to Mai's LUTZ and not her toe-axel. And thirdly, you have no idea what you are talking about. Thanks for the laugh.

Thank you for your valuable contribution.
 
I think we've seen this for a while now. Especially the gutsy call at GPF to go for the 3A-2T after that fall. She'll go for anything now, and why not? But especially coming off the last two years, it's an amazing confidence boost isn't it?

She's finally skating in competition like she skates in practice. :hap85:
 
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