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In general, I thought the callers at US Nats were overly generous. Particularly in the ladies event.
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In general, I thought the callers at US Nats were overly generous. Particularly in the ladies event.
I agree. I was surprised the 3Z was deemed round, actually.
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The callers are ALWAYS generous at US Nationals. The ladies get more attention generally, but they're often generous with the men, too, which has resulted in blatantly wrong results in the past.
A lot of nitpicking and tearing down if you ask me. Jason's superb skills definitely are not fairly rewarded under this ridiculous scoring system. I don't argue so much with the placements, but the scoring especially on PCS is manipulated and controlled for reasons other than related to actual performance abilities for everyone. It's a quad quad world and everything else is in service to quad, which some people shrug about and feel is 'progress.' It's truthfully inane madness, but all the skaters must adhere because that's the system that exists.
The most egregious aspect is of course that some skaters have humongous margin for error while others do not. I'm speaking of PCS scoring across the board for everyone not being scored accurately. But that's the way it is. Even then, if you compare the scoring among PCS categories, it's laughable. They need people on judging panel who actually know how to judge performance skills.
The Korean skater in 17th place, Shiyeong Lee, has better presentation skills than Boyang Jin. If commentators referred to Nam's program as juniorish, Jin's program is juniorish squared. :gaah:
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He really put a distance on their relevance now. They used to be the talk of the town and demand your attention. Now Nathan Chen is definitely part of the conversation.
I agree with you, except for your last sentence.
What more kind of 'oomph' are you looking for exactly? 
I think Nathan is pacing himself and doing fine. Do you understand what it means to do what Nathan did at U.S. Nationals, then to come down, maintain and then build back up to be in shape for 4CCs after traveling across the world to the venue? And under pressure lay down the program that he did!? Not many skaters can accomplish that as we clearly see. Nathan and his coach know his body better than we do. He doesn't need more oomph at 4CCs. He needs to do what he can at 4CCs, and work toward being in tiptop shape for the more significant Worlds competition.
Exactly, plus Shoma had a slight stumble on his footwork, and he has some technique issues on some of the takeoffs into his jumps. He is a smooth as butter, mesmerizing skater to watch, but just because he's so precociously smooth and charmingly cute, does not mean he's a great interpreter of the music, he's not. Shoma was overscored by quite a bit, but again, the numbers are off-base for everyone, particularly comparing the individual PCS marks. Boyang Jin is given way too much credit on PCS, and he made a mistake on his calling card combo. Why Jin gets such a pass to a score of 91+, while his countryman Han Yan, who is a better skater had to scrape just to make 84+ is beyond me. Even Hanyu was happily surprised with his 97+ after the mistake he made. Meanwhile, the judges absolutely must scrutinize Jason Brown with a fine tooth comb.
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Oh no, wasn't this the woman whose boyfriend also committed suicide??? Some people don't have much luck.
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Yep. Like big country skaters, compared to little country skaters.
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I meant most people take some time to heal but he had no problem
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In the last event I re judged on the judges table or of the last questions was to state a bold prediction for rest of season. I said Nathan Chen will be world champ. Hmmmm.
I agree with you, except for your last sentence.
I think Nathan is pacing himself and doing fine. Do you understand what it means to do what Nathan did at U.S. Nationals, then to come down, maintain and then build back up to be in shape for 4CCs after traveling across the world to the venue? And under pressure lay down the program that he did!? Not many skaters can accomplish that as we clearly see. Nathan and his coach know his body better than we do. He doesn't need more oomph at 4CCs. He needs to do what he can at 4CCs, and work toward being in tiptop shape for the more significant Worlds competition.
Agree. But if Nathan can get away with a win here, it will be huge for him too. The only big gun that's not here in this competition is Javier. A major international win and will set him up well for the world title this year.
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I woke up this morning right as Nam was finishing his skate so haven't had a chance to see him yet. How was his speed? He was super slow at Skate America. The audience was cheering him on, as it was sort of his come back after his disastrous finish to last year's season. I've always enjoyed him and felt so bad for him at Worlds last year. He won the bronze at Skate Amer in 2014, and he has grown SO tall since then!
I don't know how to take your emoticon. But it seems like y ou might be a mean person about Nam's growth which obviously has made it harder for him develop let alone keep up his skating. How mean.
Exactly. The skaters only have control over what they are able to do on the ice. And that's exceedingly hard enough as it is. Then they must contend with judges' excuses of 'poor camera angles' on slo-mo replays and the rampant politics based on reputation (and whether you are a favorite of your country's fed), and whether your country has a powerful fed that can call some shots with the ISU. If you come from a small country, you must rely on finding good coaching, and copping some luck and good will in addition to maximizing your talent. Brendan Kerry and Michael Christian Martinez are in this category.
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I said it all along, deserved or not (pcs) Nathan has a great chance at world gold or at least a medal. I disagree with the scoring system but it is not up to me. PCS are not so important (comparatively folks don't get your skates into a knot) and there is little to distinguish top skills from excellent to very good to good skills. Thus one jump especially a quad obliterates any pc advantage. I really wonder if Chan and Brown are feeling the end is near. Kind of sad because I think those two really are the best pc skaters. Then followed by Hanyu with a gap to Denis Ten and a gap to Javier and Yan and maybe Ge with another gap to Rippon and then yet another gap to Chen et al. But I can tell you that is not the case score wise
Crown him medallist if not king of all Nathan Chen
Bye bye Chan. Au revoir golden American ponytail boy Brown.
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You couldn't be more wrong.
Sure, there's a lot of excitement surrounding this particular 4CCs, and it's definitely important to have a good showing. It would be a feather in Nathan's cap to win, but he doesn't need more 'oomph' in his sp, IMHO. His sp was fine. When athletes are landing quads the way Nathan's capable of doing, they have to conserve mental and physical energy and be very strategic.
I said it all along, deserved or not (pcs) Nathan has a great chance at world gold or at least a medal. I disagree with the scoring system but it is not up to me. PCS are not so important (comparatively folks don't get your skates into a knot) and there is little to distinguish top skills from excellent to very good to good skills. Thus one jump especially a quad obliterates any pc advantage. I really wonder if Chan and Brown are feeling the end is near. Kind of sad because I think those two really are the best pc skaters. Then followed by Hanyu with a gap to Denis Ten and a gap to Javier and Yan and maybe Ge with another gap to Rippon and then yet another gap to Chen et al. But I can tell you that is not the case score wise
I feel like Nathan has presence on the ice too. He definitely has his own style and it's refreshing to see. He's easy to watch and he can only improve from here.
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