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I literally explained to you, in detail, what happened and what is his usual back up plan, just on the previous page.
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I literally explained to you, in detail, what happened and what is his usual back up plan, just on the previous page.
So I should believe you about doing this particularly layout and training 4T every jumping pass or so, but not his own words about which kind of emergency layouts he has trained and planned. Even when he himself said to Brain in K&C his plan A was to pull out a 2slo4s. His plan B was to go with his standard emergency layout of 4s3t instead of 3a3t but since both of them didn't work out (one because he hadn't enough speed out of the euler, plan B cause he felt his legs too tight after the first 4t) he decided to try out of blue another scenario.
(Btw, trying another 4s instead of his 3a3t is what he did in his practice yesterday too, what a surprise)
But yeah, why am I even answering you when chances are you are not able to understand what you read, as proven plenty today and in the past?
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Reposting here. Yuzu on jump layout etc.
I have to say this was by far the most exciting event this whole season. The men weren't perfect, but they definitely made it worth it being sleep deprived for four days. I wish all 4CC competitions could be like this.
Now... Somehow I have to get hyped for worlds...
Now... Somehow I have to get hyped for worlds...
Yeah, can't find the protocol for Colorado Springs Invitational 2011.
The one in NHK 2011, 4Lz in SP was -1.00 GOE, the 4Lz in FS was a fall.
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Given how this season is shaping up, I don't think that should be too difficult.
And while you wait, you can enjoy the Battle Royales between supergroups of superfans in all four superduper disciplines!
Never a dull moment here.
What impressed me the most about Nathan was how he handled the pressure of skating after Hanyu. That can't be taught, it's intrinsic. And that is what separates the very talented from a champion. Yes, Nathan's jumps are amazing but his calmness under pressure is incredible.
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Random thoughts after finally catching up with the men's FS event after lunch. Trying to get these out of the way when it is still fresh on my mind.
I have real mixed feeling about this event having seen the protocols first and then check out the competition in no particular order.
As per usual PCS is kind of all over the place, several times I ends up goes, oh really after checking the score sheet again? The ranking kind of make sense if this is a quad fest, but according to figure skating sports guidelines, it gets murky.
IMO Top 3 were all over marked in PCS. If Patrick Chan can be used as a benchmark for PCS at 92, then everyone should be under 90 (Except Yuzu). Unless of course, you count this 'unofficial quad bonus' into the equation.
I love Yuzu to death but other than his extraordinary TES, the performance feels lacking compare to his last outing. It was methodical and rather clinical (assassin like), even a bit tight in place. He was not emotional or intellectually inspired or invested like his previous outing.
Nathen, POW WOW TES (Mededeva like in his consistency now), but not as good as his US outing or as inspired as his SP this round. 88 PCS 3+ above Jason Brown this time round?
I have been tough on Jason in the past because of the many 'gifts' he has received over the years, but this time his FS was stunning. This is perhaps his best FS outing by far, it was nuanced, intricate and thank goodness much improved musically. It was not the movement for movement's sake unlike before. It deserves higher PCS than 85, at least an 88, or higher than Chen. Shoma 91 is crazy, only 1.5 from Patrick after a bit of a disaster and off 2nd half? I vastly prever his SP to his long.
As much as people complain about Boyang, for goodness sake, he only received 77. Grant may be generally undermarked in PCS, but don't blame Boyang for this, it is what you get for a US #5 or 6 status.
While poor Nam must have seriously pissed off someone in the inner circle to get bogged down for a PCS of 72 like some ridiculous no-name newbie from no federation like poor Julian from Malaysia, surely deserve higher than 67 after putting that enjoyable energised FS, not even 70? He actually went all out and attack his programs and his SS is clearly underated.
I have mixed feeling about Misha Ge, IMO he sold his soul to the generic geriatrics skating programs in his mind for something that may appeal to old conservative judges for the sake of scoring. It is seriously lacking in personality and originality, but then he answered the 'classic program' brief, yet stuck with 76, not even 80. What has the kid has to do to get his PCS up other than may be switch his nationality to Russia?
Something is really odd about this whole sport, I wish they revise PCS judging over all, there need to be some calibration in place instead of letting judges put their fingers in the air and goes, 'I feel that is an 8.75' what ever that means.
I have real mixed feeling about this event having seen the protocols first and then check out the competition in no particular order.
As per usual PCS is kind of all over the place, several times I ends up goes, oh really after checking the score sheet again? The ranking kind of make sense if this is a quad fest, but according to figure skating sports guidelines, it gets murky.
IMO Top 3 were all over marked in PCS. If Patrick Chan can be used as a benchmark for PCS at 92, then everyone should be under 90 (Except Yuzu). Unless of course, you count this 'unofficial quad bonus' into the equation.
I love Yuzu to death but other than his extraordinary TES, the performance feels lacking compare to his last outing. It was methodical and rather clinical (assassin like), even a bit tight in place. He was not emotional or intellectually inspired or invested like his previous outing.
Nathen, POW WOW TES (Mededeva like in his consistency now), but not as good as his US outing or as inspired as his SP this round. 88 PCS 3+ above Jason Brown this time round?
I have been tough on Jason in the past because of the many 'gifts' he has received over the years, but this time his FS was stunning. This is perhaps his best FS outing by far, it was nuanced, intricate and thank goodness much improved musically. It was not the movement for movement's sake unlike before. It deserves higher PCS than 85, at least an 88, or higher than Chen. Shoma 91 is crazy, only 1.5 from Patrick after a bit of a disaster and off 2nd half? I vastly prever his SP to his long.
As much as people complain about Boyang, for goodness sake, he only received 77. Grant may be generally undermarked in PCS, but don't blame Boyang for this, it is what you get for a US #5 or 6 status.
While poor Nam must have seriously pissed off someone in the inner circle to get bogged down for a PCS of 72 like some ridiculous no-name newbie from no federation like poor Julian from Malaysia, surely deserve higher than 67 after putting that enjoyable energised FS, not even 70? He actually went all out and attack his programs and his SS is clearly underated.
I have mixed feeling about Misha Ge, IMO he sold his soul to the generic geriatrics skating programs in his mind for something that may appeal to old conservative judges for the sake of scoring. It is seriously lacking in personality and originality, but then he answered the 'classic program' brief, yet stuck with 76, not even 80. What has the kid has to do to get his PCS up other than may be switch his nationality to Russia?
Something is really odd about this whole sport, I wish they revise PCS judging over all, there need to be some calibration in place instead of letting judges put their fingers in the air and goes, 'I feel that is an 8.75' what ever that means.
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Very classy answers. And also very honest. No frills or PR boilerplate. I'm impressed--and very impressed by how he thinks on his skates.
The last line:
I may try the lutz or the flip, or even maybe the axel. So I'm really looking forward to skating from now. And Looking forward to training too.
Brian's head would be similar to Raffy's in a few more seasons.
50% hair loss due to Yuzuru.
50% hair loss due to Elizabet.
Trying to illustrate this passage:
I was able to skate this program as a challenger. I placed importance on landing 4 quads and the combos in the second half. I'm regretful about the 4S since it was the same kind of mistake as the SP. I will train more on this.
I decided to put another 4T in after I landed the 3A3T. I had originally hoped to put a half loop on the sal and do a 4S off of it ( his doubled Salchow) but when I landed it was too difficult. So I quickly stopped that and concentrated on the first 4T. I had practiced putting a 4S into the place where the 3A-3T was if the 4S combo did not go well. But I thought it better to do a beautiful 3A3T after that, there was energy left, so I tried the 4T and was able to land it. I had not simulated this scenario before, so I was calculating the combinations as I went.
Yuzu's layout (plan B) [4CC impromptu improvisation]
4Lo
4S
3F
4S + 2T (popped S) [2S+ 1Lo]
4T
3A +3T (4S combo)
3A + 1Lo + 3S [4T + 2T]
3Lz [3A]
I was able to skate this program as a challenger. I placed importance on landing 4 quads and the combos in the second half. I'm regretful about the 4S since it was the same kind of mistake as the SP. I will train more on this.
I decided to put another 4T in after I landed the 3A3T. I had originally hoped to put a half loop on the sal and do a 4S off of it ( his doubled Salchow) but when I landed it was too difficult. So I quickly stopped that and concentrated on the first 4T. I had practiced putting a 4S into the place where the 3A-3T was if the 4S combo did not go well. But I thought it better to do a beautiful 3A3T after that, there was energy left, so I tried the 4T and was able to land it. I had not simulated this scenario before, so I was calculating the combinations as I went.
Yuzu's layout (plan B) [4CC impromptu improvisation]
4Lo
4S
3F
4S + 2T (popped S) [2S+ 1Lo]
4T
3A +3T (4S combo)
3A + 1Lo + 3S [4T + 2T]
3Lz [3A]
My thoughts -
1. I'm satisfied with the results. Hanyu would have had this if he had landed only one of the 4S. As it is, he won the LP.
2. Someone upthread posted a Jin-Chen comparison. I don't think that is accurate: Chen's skating is smoother and more controlled, and he has better control over the use of his arms and legs while Jin looks generally unrefined in both jumps and spins.
3. PCS - Hanyu, Chan and Uno all beat Chen which is accurate, even if Uno fell twice, and Chan fell twice plus had other, smaller errors which effect PE. They are just all around skaters w/ superb skills. Chen does maintain decent speed throughout the performance and hits the accents of the music. IMO, he is a 'quiet' skater rather than an 'empty' skater, so I'm not upset by the PCS scores and I would be fine w/ Chen having higher PCS for PE and SS, middling scores for CH and IN, but low for TR, but the ISU doesn't really allow for breaking apart PCS scoring: For example, you can't post 8 for Chen in PE but only a 4 for TR, so the marks for Chen are what they are.
1. I'm satisfied with the results. Hanyu would have had this if he had landed only one of the 4S. As it is, he won the LP.
2. Someone upthread posted a Jin-Chen comparison. I don't think that is accurate: Chen's skating is smoother and more controlled, and he has better control over the use of his arms and legs while Jin looks generally unrefined in both jumps and spins.
3. PCS - Hanyu, Chan and Uno all beat Chen which is accurate, even if Uno fell twice, and Chan fell twice plus had other, smaller errors which effect PE. They are just all around skaters w/ superb skills. Chen does maintain decent speed throughout the performance and hits the accents of the music. IMO, he is a 'quiet' skater rather than an 'empty' skater, so I'm not upset by the PCS scores and I would be fine w/ Chen having higher PCS for PE and SS, middling scores for CH and IN, but low for TR, but the ISU doesn't really allow for breaking apart PCS scoring: For example, you can't post 8 for Chen in PE but only a 4 for TR, so the marks for Chen are what they are.
Re-watching the programs, I find Nathan Chen's FS to be less choreographically empty or performance-wise bland as I remembered. He does have musicality. What he needs to work on is full-bodied commitment to his moves, especially the upper body. His arms need to stay in their positions longer, so as not to leave the impression that he's just going through the moves.
On the other hand, Hanyu's jumps were not as perfectly clean as I remembered. A lot of different leans (that loop was certainly not as perfect as the one he did in warm-up) and snowy landings. And in the videos I watched, commentators from two countries both pointed out that he wasn't fully emotional connected to his performance, compared to himself of course.
New discovery for me: Julian Zhi Jie Yee. Love his personality on the ice and his deep powerful edges.
On the other hand, Hanyu's jumps were not as perfectly clean as I remembered. A lot of different leans (that loop was certainly not as perfect as the one he did in warm-up) and snowy landings. And in the videos I watched, commentators from two countries both pointed out that he wasn't fully emotional connected to his performance, compared to himself of course.
New discovery for me: Julian Zhi Jie Yee. Love his personality on the ice and his deep powerful edges.
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I thought the most important thing coming out of this program was that Nathan did not fold after that block-buster program from Yuzu.
With all he hype and the pressure and facing the moment of truth... he delivered. Not perfectly but pretty dang good by any measure.
He could have had a meltdown. He didn't. It was a strong performance. The kid's a competitor.
With all he hype and the pressure and facing the moment of truth... he delivered. Not perfectly but pretty dang good by any measure.
He could have had a meltdown. He didn't. It was a strong performance. The kid's a competitor.
What's great for all the men here is that the got a world'a preview just before the real thing. They has to face off against the best. They had to deal with the pressure. They got to try out challenging layouts and fail at them. They will all be better prepared before worlds.
I think the last four days have finally gotten to me. I'm going to sleep for a few days.
I think the last four days have finally gotten to me. I'm going to sleep for a few days.
I actually had a laugh watching b esp on Hanyu discussing is his best days over... seriously ? The guy is now propably motivated more than he ever was, and just did physically something he wouldn't be able to do before. Now he has to peak at Worlds at put this puzzles together.
Nathan is actually good for this sport, because Hanyu won't let him take over. I'm hoping and expecting nice battle at Worlds
Nathan is actually good for this sport, because Hanyu won't let him take over. I'm hoping and expecting nice battle at Worlds
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This competition showed that the strength of men's figure skating -- namely the diversity of styles and content. The quads of course, but the performance abilities of everyone in the top 15. The audience clearly enjoyed it and that's why eight men were invited to the gala, far more than any other discipline.
I suppose I can join the debate about PCS, but I choose to be content and stay in my happy place that this competition had room for skaters who had multiple quads done well, skaters who dazzle in spins and steps and a lot of skaters who truly entertained me.
More thoughts on individual skaters later.
I suppose I can join the debate about PCS, but I choose to be content and stay in my happy place that this competition had room for skaters who had multiple quads done well, skaters who dazzle in spins and steps and a lot of skaters who truly entertained me.
More thoughts on individual skaters later.
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For sure. Btw, why wasn't Fernandez here?
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