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How was that inappropriate? She's been a hot mess this whole season and considering her skate today, accurate.
2018 US Championships Sr. Ladies SP
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How was that inappropriate? She's been a hot mess this whole season and considering her skate today, accurate.
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Precisely, and Angela has speed and nice deep edges, spark and height in her jumps and nice knee bend.
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All of the top 5 should be about 2-3 points within each other, with each of their positives and negatives canceling each other out more or less imo.
Great performance and interpretation, beautiful triiple Loop, well executed double axle. Is that enough to say that there were some positive things about her program? It's a mean and catty remark.
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Am curious, if we end up with the Bradie/Mirai/Angela as order post-free, do you think they'd dare to bump Angela off for the Olys and give it to Karen/Ashley (if one of them is 4th)? The whole body of work thing etc.
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Maybe Ashley’s not Yuzuru?
Not to say that she shouldn't, but I don't think she has a chance based on the inflated score they gave to Karen
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Exactly. Dave Lease is pretty much saying that Ashley takes a dump on the ice every time she puts on skates. There are some elements in her skating that aren’t at the top, but what she is good at, she has in SPADES.
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She's a beautiful skater. And passionate! I was happy that she excelled this evening. Just get her a different version of SOTR. [emoji23]
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IDK it's kind of up in the air right now.
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Thanks! Well, no worth borrowing trouble in advance I guess, hopefully they'll let the results hold if that is what they end up being.
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USF knows that nobody we send is medaling. The top US women is going to be fighting for 5th (and they'll need luck). In this scenario, they are likely to do what just seems fair to the audience and the audience won't care about body of work. Wagner could've maybe medaled with a particularly good skate at Olympics in 2014 (remember she did get GPF bronze that season!).
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I'm guessing Angela will have to finish 2nd overall to have any kind of chance, sadly. And even then I wouldn't put anything past them.
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As much as I love Ashley, Gracie was the one that deserved at least bronze at the Sochi games and was the one ripped off.
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Because shimmies and sass as your biggest weapon do not equate to great PCS. Her skating skills are fairly weak, no deep edges or difficult footwork, speed is lacking.
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I don't remember either of their Sochi's skates at all. My point was just that Ashley had a small but realistic chance to take Bronze in 2014 (Gracie had a larger chance, but her spot was already guaranteed by her placement), that's not a realistic consideration for any of our women currently so I don't think the body of work requirement will matter much.
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She skated great, but what really got me was the fist pump! In the past she seemed a bit too sedate, but that was just refreshing, and showed me she is definitely invested in putting on a performance, and not just a program.
I do have to say that this was the first program I have seen of hers in a while that I didn’t worry about a thing. She had that look tonight, that you just KNEW she would hit.
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Individually, sure but you are more than likely medaling in the team event. If we look at it from that angle, I completely get the Bradie push. She would provide you with a steady base in the short program.
It's just that I kind of figured until this moment that the free would go to Ashley. Of course now it's all muddled but whoever goes, one of them will have to skate that free and be good enough that USA keeps their chances. It's why I think there is still a possibility of the fed playing with the final results. But we'll see, hopefully it all turns out fine, even if the actual scores are wonky.
At least bronze? So she could be silver or gold? Uh, which girl would you bump to make room for Gracie in the silver podium?
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Just judged Ashley and Bradie myself, using the excel spreadsheet thing and this is what I came up with:
Ashley: 32.84 + 34.20 = 67.04
Bradie: 37.94 + 33.00 = 70.94
For Bradie, the judges were more generous on the StSq, the loop, and the combo spin. I can understand that. I tend to be strict with StSq goe, which the judges usually aren't. The loop landing was sketch, but the mostly +1s probably reflect the difficult exit right out of it into the step sequence. And the combo spin traveled very slightly, but it might have gone unseen by some and could have been minor enough to ignore at any rate. So, I don't think the 73 and change is unreasonable per se.
Bradie deserves mid-8s for her transitions and program composition; everything is woven together very nicely, there are not many superfluous crossover, and many difficult entrances and exits into and between elements.
My problem is that Wagner's composition and interpretation should have been unequivocally in the 8.75-9.00 range, even with the errors. That said, there is no "fix" here, just overexcitement at a clean skate from a hyped individual. None of this will affect the end result, I don't think. I think the winner (probably Bradie) will have a huge margin, then #2 and #3 will be bunched together, and #4 will bomb and be ten points behind.
It also doesn't make sense why there *would* be an anti-Wagner slant. She is still the posterchild of the sport for the general public, and has commercials and fluff pieces out the wazoo. A U.S. woman is *not* going to be on the olympic podium, probably not even in the final flight. The federation knows this.
They might want tennell for the team comp, that's true, but not dinging Ashley doesn't mean that Bradie would fall out of the top three. The only way that dinging Ashley makes sense is if the judges/fed want Mirai or Karen to be on that team and fear that Ashley will prevent that. Based on the scoresheets I've seen tonight, that seems implausible.
Ashley: 32.84 + 34.20 = 67.04
Bradie: 37.94 + 33.00 = 70.94
For Bradie, the judges were more generous on the StSq, the loop, and the combo spin. I can understand that. I tend to be strict with StSq goe, which the judges usually aren't. The loop landing was sketch, but the mostly +1s probably reflect the difficult exit right out of it into the step sequence. And the combo spin traveled very slightly, but it might have gone unseen by some and could have been minor enough to ignore at any rate. So, I don't think the 73 and change is unreasonable per se.
Bradie deserves mid-8s for her transitions and program composition; everything is woven together very nicely, there are not many superfluous crossover, and many difficult entrances and exits into and between elements.
My problem is that Wagner's composition and interpretation should have been unequivocally in the 8.75-9.00 range, even with the errors. That said, there is no "fix" here, just overexcitement at a clean skate from a hyped individual. None of this will affect the end result, I don't think. I think the winner (probably Bradie) will have a huge margin, then #2 and #3 will be bunched together, and #4 will bomb and be ten points behind.
It also doesn't make sense why there *would* be an anti-Wagner slant. She is still the posterchild of the sport for the general public, and has commercials and fluff pieces out the wazoo. A U.S. woman is *not* going to be on the olympic podium, probably not even in the final flight. The federation knows this.
They might want tennell for the team comp, that's true, but not dinging Ashley doesn't mean that Bradie would fall out of the top three. The only way that dinging Ashley makes sense is if the judges/fed want Mirai or Karen to be on that team and fear that Ashley will prevent that. Based on the scoresheets I've seen tonight, that seems implausible.
