Proposals to ISU Congress 2018-2019 Season

[gkelly]

After the ISU Congress, which is scheduled for June 3-8.

 

[DaNiCG]

I have and have been following Boyangs and unfortunately, he hasnt to the level that he desire close or similar PCS compared to Shoma, Mikhail, Nathan, Hanyu, Dimtri, etc. The ISU judges have been scoring him fairly. But I really hope he works on his PCS and put solid programs this coming new season.

We are all making claims that is subjective. And everyone is entitled to them as this sport is judged subjectively.

We can agree to disagree in the end.

I understand Shoma and Hanyu, maybe even Dimtri and Mikhail, but Nathan? you call Boyang a quad machine yet you call Nathan's PCS fair, yeah no, he is an example as to why the PCS should be judge in a different panel, six quads no transition, 80!!! theres a TES panel for that

As people already mention, big skaters had to work to get the PCS they have now, yet they are given them for free to others, is that fair? No.

 

[Elucidus]

https://www.isu.org/communications/17105-isu-communication-2160/file

Urgent Proposal No. 5
NETHERLANDS
Rule 108, para. 3a)
Revise to read as follows:
3. Age limits for Single & Pair Skating / Ice Dance
a) In International Senior Competitions, ISU Senior Championships and the Olympic Winter Games only Skaters may
compete who have reached at least the age of seventeen (17) before July 1st preceding the Events, effective
season 2020-2021.
Reason: • At Senior Championships and OWG, we need to show mature skaters with well-balanced programs.
• This will improve the image of our sport: media and audience would like to see “idols” who compete for a
longer period of time
• Younger skaters are able to show more difficult elements until they are fully matured. Therefore we are
currently losing Seniors skaters who are afraid they cannot compete with these younger skaters in Senior Events.
• We have currently the youngest Senior age requirement by far of all Winter sports
• We would bring Senior age requirement in line with a sport that is comparable to ours, namely Gymnastics,
where Seniors have to be 16 (ladies) resp. 18 (men). We propose to take 17 for both ladies and men as currently we
have no age distinction on the Junior and Novice level.

It's official reason? Seriously? Well, they are still remember that fs is a sport, not ice show - are they?

 

[Danny T]

https://www.isu.org/communications/17105-isu-communication-2160/file



It's official reason? Seriously? Well, they are still remember that fs is a sport, not ice show - are they?

Out of all the possible reasons jfc

June is going to be fun. Can't wait.

 

[chopinskate]

Even I can probably write better official reasons than that.

 

[moriel]

Out of all the possible reasons jfc

June is going to be fun. Can't wait.

That afraid is just a joke.

Kudos to Netherlands for providing us with entertainment. I also wonder if they are getting any short track stuff in their favor for doing this.

 

[Elucidus]

it can be discussed and voted upon at Congress, provided the proposal
has reached the ISU Secretariat in English for distribution to all Members, not later than three weeks before the
Congress and shall be certified as urgent business by a four-fifths majority of Members present and voting.

interesting tidbit

 

[chopinskate]

The reasons will get laughed out... I don't think this will pass. I doubted the bigfeds would let it pass anyway, but now.

 

[Elucidus]

The reasons will get laughed out... I don't think this will pass. I doubted the bigfeds would let it pass anyway, but now.

It depends of how much unexpectedly profitable for them it would be. If you remember for what ridiculus reasons wars were waged just recently and trying to start even now - such wording in mere niche sport commitee can appear as some brilliant speech.

 

[Colonel Green]

The reasons will get laughed out... I don't think this will pass. I doubted the bigfeds would let it pass anyway, but now.

The reasons are silly, but this is pretty blatantly aimed at Eteri’s junior quad jumpers. Russia will obviously oppose it; I’m not sure the other big federations will, since they arguably benefit from it.

 

[chopinskate]

Gogolev won't make it to 2022; Alysia Liu won't make it to 2022. Goodness knows how many Japanese juniors won't make it.

The only weirdness is that Orser and Tom Z BOTH said they liked the idea... And I guess Gogolev might be preparing for 2026 in Canada anyway.

 

[lavenderblossom]

The reasons are silly, but this is pretty blatantly aimed at Eteri’s junior quad jumpers. Russia will obviously oppose it; I’m not sure the other big federations will, since they arguably benefit from it.

USA may oppose it - if the age requirement goes up Alysa Liu, one of their most promising skaters for Beijing, won't be eligible. And she is on the USFSA radar. Maybe Japan as well since they have a lot of good junior ladies. Gogolev will also be ineligible.

 

[Colonel Green]

Gogolev won't make it to 2022; Alysia Liu won't make it to 2022. Goodness knows how many Japanese juniors won't make it.

So? Canada has other junior men who could potentially make a run at it, and raising the age limit for women would make Canada’s existing female stars more potentially competitive next time. Japan, likewise, has plenty of good female options already; they aren’t waiting on some junior to save them. The US, arguably, is at the moment, but they might regard it as better for them in the long-term regardless.

 

[chopinskate]

Maybe you're right. And Orser DID like the idea.

 

[karne]

Here's the thing though.

Have we all forgotten Elizaveta Tuktamysheva? The beautiful, strong, curvy young woman who won just about everything and landed a triple Axel at Worlds...at eighteen? And very definitely after puberty? According to all the people wailing about age limits, this shouldn't have been possible. But it was. Why?

TECHNIQUE.

Good base technique. It's the foundation of everything. You want longevity? Great, teach good technique. You want women to still be able to jump? Great, teach good technique.

 

[chopinskate]

Here's the thing though.

Have we all forgotten Elizaveta Tuktamysheva? The beautiful, strong, curvy young woman who won just about everything and landed a triple Axel at Worlds...at eighteen? And very definitely after puberty? According to all the people wailing about age limits, this shouldn't have been possible. But it was. Why?

TECHNIQUE.

Good base technique. It's the foundation of everything. You want longevity? Great, teach good technique. You want women to still be able to jump? Great, teach good technique.

I was looking forward to your snark on the "afraid" part. Is it coming?

 

[karne]

I was looking forward to your snark on the "afraid" part. Is it coming?

I can't process that level of ridiculousness at this hour of the morning.

Afraid. Afraid. What a joke.

 

[Andrea82]

Reading the urgent matters proposed I notice

- ISU Council proposing to ban Federation Presidents to act as Judge, Referee, Technical Controller, Technical Specialist, Data and Replay Operators at Worlds/Olympics/Euros/4CCs/GP Final:

c) Persons who serve as president of an ISU Member at any time in the course of a competition season (July 1st – June 30) shall not act as Judge, Referee, Technical Controller, Technical Specialist, Data and Replay Operator, OAC member, Starter or Competitors Steward at ISU Championships, World Cups in Speed Skating or Short Track Speed Skating, the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating Final, the ISU World Team Trophy in Figure Skating and the Olympic Winter Games during the course of the same competition season. As to ISU Members that control both Branches of Skating (Figure Skating and Speed Skating) within their country, this restriction applies equally to the person holding the senior-most position in the governance of the respective Branch of the ISU Member
d) Persons appointed by the ISU or by their ISU Member to act as an Official at the Olympic Winter Games shall not act as an Official at the national championships of another ISU Member during the period beginning July 1st of the same competition season as the Olympic Winter Games and up to the start of the Olympic Winter Games.

- Single and Pairs Technical Committee proposing to increase to 20 the Pairs making the FS at Worlds

 

[karne]

Reading the urgent matters proposed I notice

ISU Council proposing to ban Federation Presidents to act as Judge, Referee, Technical Controller, Technical Specialist, Data and Replay Operators at Worlds/Olympics/Euros/4CCs/GP Final

Single and Pairs Technical Committee proposing to increase to 20 the Pairs making the FS at Worlds

Yes, I noticed both of those.

Good to see that now the ISU cares about expanding the cut after some big country skaters kept missing it.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

So? Canada has other junior men who could potentially make a run at it, and raising the age limit for women would make Canada’s existing female stars more potentially competitive next time. Japan, likewise, has plenty of good female options already; they aren’t waiting on some junior to save them. The US, arguably, is at the moment, but they might regard it as better for them in the long-term regardless.

Right now several quads are required to be competitive in men. More, if they pass that awful no-repetition of quads rule. So Stephen would become THE HOPE. Doesn't the Canadian Fed want Stephen to go to Beijing as well? he's insanely good and already on the radars -- it's good publicity. Plus it gives him Olympics experience before 2026 *which there's no guarantee will be in Canada anyway, although it does seem kind of likely*

The US will never vote for it, not with Alysa Liu around. I think a couple of the novices also looked good at nationals, such as Beverly Zhu. USFS wants them too.

Japan might have many good ones now, but it's doubtful Miyahara will be able to continue until 2022 cry Since she's the most consistent out of all of them, I'd imagine they'd like to get a strong arsenal in there, to support Wakaba, Kaori, Mai, and co. Rika can do that for sure but she's inconsistent. So they're really relying on the juniors, one of whom I think is practicing a quad. And of course their novice girls seem to be quite strong as well.

And of course Russia will never go for it.

Besides, the reasons are so laughable that I doubt anyone will actually vote for it. "Idols"?? This is a sport, not a popularity contest