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I thought the total between a two skaters have to be 12 or below in order to obtain 3 spots for next year.
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I thought the total between a two skaters have to be 12 or below in order to obtain 3 spots for next year.
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I saw it on Country Canada and it wasnt even "almost clean". He had about 3 big mistakes still and could have done so much better.
Like I said with the score he got for the mistakes he still made he could have maybe even scored the 168-something to catch Joubert if he had done a totally clean free program. I am still waiting for that from him but he never does it. Takahashi has done it, Lysacek has done it before, Oda has done it, Joubert has done it although not here, why cant Lambiel ever do it?
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Obviously you haven't seen his 2003 World QR. And his LP from worlds last year was pretty close to being perfect as well. I'm not sure what's the obsession with wanting perfectly clean programs from skaters on your part.
I never expected Lambiel to skate a perfectly clean LP having read the practice reports and the fact that he has sat out the entire season. Maybe a little too much expectation?
A. Yagudin was on podium 5 times
1998 - 1 place
1999 - 1 place
2000 - 1place
2001 - 2 place
2002 - 1 place
Great thanks Rosaleen
Actually 6 times
1997- 3rd place
1998 - 1 place
1999 - 1 place
2000 - 1place
2001 - 2 place
2002 - 1 place
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"obsession with wanting perfectly clean programs". What a ridiculous statement on "your part". All fans want to see perfectly clean programs from their favorite skaters atleast once in awhile. Many people look to see perfectly clean programs from skaters and are dissapointed with mistakes. I am no different then most others in that regard.
So Lambiel's only clean free programs were in qualifying rounds of Worlds in 2003 and 2005 still. I rest my case.
Lambiel has skated many perfect LPs before, inc. twice last year in the Worlds qualifying and in the actual LP!
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No, in the long at Worlds last year he two footed a triple loop, pre-rotated a triple axel and had it downgraded to a double-same as doubling it, and left out a 3 jump combo. The only virtualy clean longs he has done are qualifying rounds of Worlds, that is it.
You forget that he missed out on international competitions and so much training for a couple years because of knee surgeries. He has only begun to develop any consistency in the past two seasons. And comparing his focus and overall jumping now to what he used to do 3, 4, 5 years ago = wow! Incredible improvement. He may not have even peaked yet, we'll see.
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Yeah, and it has so happened.
And all fans, or most of us at least, also understand that skaters are human and can see past the fact that a lot of times great performances don't require the skaters to be totally clean and flawless.
The double-footing on the loop was not a big deal and a lot of the "perfect" programs you mentioned have had small mistakes like that. And the 3A that was downgraded was really considered a 3A by most - replays showed that it looked pretty cleanly rotated and that got a lot of controversy. Stephane could have won by an even larger margin last year.
Anyway, I just watched Stephane's LP from today and it was incredible. The straight-line footwork sequence was so exciting and his last spin was a perfect climax to a great program - just about the fastest spin I've seen him do since Worlds 2005!
Someone asked before for all his elements and these are the jumps he completed: great 3A, great 4T-2T-2T, 3L, 2A, 4T fall-out/hand-down, 3Z-3T, 3S, and 2F-3T two-footed. So he had a clean quad and 5 clean triples, including the axel.
A. Yagudin was on podium 5 times
1998 - 1 place
1999 - 1 place
2000 - 1place
2001 - 2 place
2002 - 1 place
Actually Yagudin was on the Worlds podium 6 times (he won a bronze in 1997).
Oooh, sorry, that was just a typo, I meant three spots for USA...
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I feel really bad for Jeff but you really need to lay it down when it counts and he didn't. He is still a force to be reckoned with so hopefully he will train hard over the next little while and come back strong. I'm glad that he went for it though and didn't pop anything. I hate it when they do that. Eman always does it and you should just go for it. Thinking about where Jeff skated he didn't really need that quad but he definitely needed his 3A's. More consistency with the 3A's is a key factor in this competition.
A competition consists of SP+LP. It would be great to see a clean-ish SP+LP from Stephane (finally!). And Stephane's SP this year was lame!
Anyhow, I'm so sorry for Jeff
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Sorry Shine, but this drives me to drink... fans want clean programs because its a SPORT!!! If ya wanna be champion, ya gotta put it down... I understand that many skating fans are more into the pretty pretty part, but if we ever want this sport to be taken seriously and attract more fans, then we really need to hold these skaters to a "perfection" standard... There is NOTHING wrong with expecting these skaters to translate their talent into athletic perfection... You have approximately 5 minutes to prove your case that you are the best... when you cannot put together a clean performance, then you rely on luck vs. prowess... And that's not sport, that's performance art.
Whew... I feel sooo much better now...
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Brian 
:agree: Finally a world champion! 
Evan
You should have medalled here.
Tomas :agree: good fight to finish 4th
Jeff
Ryan
:agree: Finally a world champion! Evan
You should have medalled here.Tomas :agree: good fight to finish 4th
Jeff
Ryan
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Congratulations to Joubert! What a great come back for Lambiel! I am sooo happy for these two!
What did Verner do? I have to see it before I say anything about him.
Good for Takahashi! He did his job, and met the expectations.
Evan is as expected. He will skate well in his Carmen LP. He is strong athletically, but there are too many skaters with much detailed and cultivated skatings, such as Lambiel, Takahashi, Weir, Buttle, ... he is not one of them. Even Joubert and Oda are better than him.
It's a bit hard to be a Johnny fan. What he really needs to work on next season is his jumps. Without strong jumps, how could he win? I am wondering if his training regimen and diet are right? It's a sport, not just an art!
Buttle is at about the position where he belongs. As much as I love his skating, I think his quad ability cannot even compare with Johnny's. Without quad, one cannot be too hopeful for the podium.
I am not an Oda fan. It's amazing that he can do a lot of things which look very easy for him. But as somebody mentioned, he looks childish. He seems to need sometime for the development.
What can you say about Sandhu? It's a little bit funny. But I am amazed that he is still competing.
What did Verner do? I have to see it before I say anything about him.
Good for Takahashi! He did his job, and met the expectations.
Evan is as expected. He will skate well in his Carmen LP. He is strong athletically, but there are too many skaters with much detailed and cultivated skatings, such as Lambiel, Takahashi, Weir, Buttle, ... he is not one of them. Even Joubert and Oda are better than him.
It's a bit hard to be a Johnny fan. What he really needs to work on next season is his jumps. Without strong jumps, how could he win? I am wondering if his training regimen and diet are right? It's a sport, not just an art!
Buttle is at about the position where he belongs. As much as I love his skating, I think his quad ability cannot even compare with Johnny's. Without quad, one cannot be too hopeful for the podium.
I am not an Oda fan. It's amazing that he can do a lot of things which look very easy for him. But as somebody mentioned, he looks childish. He seems to need sometime for the development.
What can you say about Sandhu? It's a little bit funny. But I am amazed that he is still competing.
Congrats to Brian, the title is his, finally! Well deserved victory.
But the guy who really stole the show tonight for me is Tomas, 2 clean quads, that's very impressive and gutsy, good for him! I'm looking forward to seeing him on podium next year.
Felt sorry for the American boys, especially Evan. Although it's not his best performance, he did a very decent job. And more important is that he showed the gut and determination to try the quad in both programs and has good perspective in the long term. Once he gets it under his belt, he'll have a great chance to fight for the medal and maybe even the gold. Can't wait to see him in the next season, he'll be back stronger than ever.
And Jeff, he worked hard to come this far, and should be very proud of himself. Unfortunately it's not his night. He has the best spins and step sequence in the world, but really need to work on his jumps. He's on the right track, and will definitely do better next time.
But the guy who really stole the show tonight for me is Tomas, 2 clean quads, that's very impressive and gutsy, good for him! I'm looking forward to seeing him on podium next year.
Felt sorry for the American boys, especially Evan. Although it's not his best performance, he did a very decent job. And more important is that he showed the gut and determination to try the quad in both programs and has good perspective in the long term. Once he gets it under his belt, he'll have a great chance to fight for the medal and maybe even the gold. Can't wait to see him in the next season, he'll be back stronger than ever.
And Jeff, he worked hard to come this far, and should be very proud of himself. Unfortunately it's not his night. He has the best spins and step sequence in the world, but really need to work on his jumps. He's on the right track, and will definitely do better next time.
Wow - this competition is just really a nail biter.
Rosaleen, a million thanks for wonderful reports - and thanks to the other posters for making this thread so much fun to read!!!!
I gotta run to work but congrats to all the medalists - especially Brian. Not your best free skate, but you did the job and bounced back from recent injury and worked so hard all season! wow. (yeah Takahashi and Lambiel too....hopefully all three of you plus more will be back in force next season!).
Rosaleen, a million thanks for wonderful reports - and thanks to the other posters for making this thread so much fun to read!!!!
I gotta run to work
but congrats to all the medalists - especially Brian. Not your best free skate, but you did the job and bounced back from recent injury and worked so hard all season! wow. (yeah Takahashi and Lambiel too....hopefully all three of you plus more will be back in force next season!).Similar threads
