2023-24 Russian Nationals Men's Free Skate

[elektra blue]

He should be. Second year in a row...

3rd...

 

[EdgeCall]

A podium within 2.3 points.

 

[yume]

I didn't want Semenenko to win......
Petya's smile can't look more disgusted

 

[Mathematician]

what? he's on the podium anyway

Yes but it cost him Gold

 

[AlexBreeze]

I'll calm down and come back a little later.

 

[lariko]

Great result for Dikidzhi.

For once I agree with Tarasova's shriek: for me Gummenik is the first

 

[Skating91]

I sat down to watch for last group and that did not disappoint.

 

[lariko]

3rd...

Yeah, but wuzrobbed second year in a row

 

[elektra blue]

Yes but it cost him Gold

he stood no chances against Zhenya in the first place, not at his current level. he's an amazing jumper, but he doesn't get high goes and he still has to work on his 2nd mark. he's on the right track but still not there

 

[Mathematician]

I'll calm down and come back a little later.

You dislike Semenenko? Do most people? Or do we just love Dikidzhi? I'm not too familiar with the men's drama.

 

[elektra blue]

Yeah, but wuzrobbed second year in a row

he helped them by messing the sp, with a clean sp he would have won, not everything is judges playing favourites and i'm telling you this as a huge Petya's fan as you well know

 

[Mathematician]

he stood no chances against Zhenya in the first place, not at his current level. he's an amazing jumper, but he doesn't get high goes and he still has to work on his 2nd mark. he's on the right track but still not there

Stood no chance? He was a point off. I dont understand.

 

[AlexBreeze]

You dislike Semenenko? Do most people? Or do we just love Dikidzhi? I'm not too familiar with the men's drama.

Zhenya is my fav since juniors. Though, I like Vlad too.

 

[yume]

I would have had
1. Petya (what fall in SP? And i would have even given him more in FS)
2. Vlad (yeah)
3. Zhenya (the GOEs were too generous today and don't like this FP at all).

 

[Mathematician]

Zhenya is my fav since juniors. Though, I like Vlad too.

Oh so you are happy, I thought you were upset.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

I stepped out of the chat for a meal but kept watching. I can't understand why Semenenko gets such GOE on his jumps, the landings are just not good. Dikidzhi is interesting, reminds me of Shaidorov. He has jumps, spins are well-centered, camel and the last sit spin could use improvement, and he has posture and confidence. Tons of work to do, but there is potential.

I think of the top three, only Vlad has good landings, though they too could still be improved (more speed out of the jumps is something almost all Russian quad jumpers could profit from). Zhenya usually has to fight for them a bit, and Petya underrotates frequently, which takes away from the flow of the landing.

 

[elektra blue]

Stood no chance? He was a point off. I dont understand.

at his current level he can't feel that gap with Semenenko, he got a silver anyway, which is a great result

 

[icewhite]

I'll have to wait for the protocols, but the GOE given on quads within Russia is rarely measured by the same standards as internationally. Not even talking about technique, but just the perceived "fullness" of rotation and especially the smoothness of the running edge is something that's considered very important by international judges (see for example Yuma Kagiyama's 4S).

I'd guess Petr's scores would go down 10-15 points depending on the judging panel (maybe more if the tech panel is picky, his jumps don't always get fully around). I definitely don't see him breaking 300 pts internationally yet, on a good day he might be able to get into the high 280s/low 290s, which would place him 4th-5th in the SB list.

I think it's not even as much the GOE as the PCS. Look at the PCS Adam gets, despite being much better in every aspect of PCS. Unless Petr would get huge fed support like an Eteri girl or an American he would never ever score 9s.

 

[Skating91]

I'll have to wait for the protocols, but the GOE given on quads within Russia is rarely measured by the same standards as internationally. Not even talking about technique, but just the perceived "fullness" of rotation and especially the smoothness of the running edge is something that's considered very important by international judges (see for example Yuma Kagiyama's 4S).

I'd guess Petr's scores would go down 10-15 points depending on the judging panel (maybe more if the tech panel is picky, his jumps don't always get fully around). I definitely don't see him breaking 300 pts internationally yet, on a good day he might be able to get into the high 280s/low 290s, which would place him 4th-5th in the SB list.

But international judges give huge GOE for cheated quad flips with huge prerotation, not rotated, blade assistance

 

[AlexBreeze]

As for Petya.
1) He fell
2) His jumps are judged pretty loyally. Were the 4S yesterday and 4Lo today fully rotated? If you judge them as Mosalev's jumps, they weren't.