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2025-26 Russian Nationals Women's Free Skate
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The key element for Adeliia will be the 3A. It doesn't seem to be consistent yet. But she will need it to be.Adeliia killed it in the SP with her 3A
I'd still have her at 85+ for an amazing SP performance with a backloaded triple triple combo upgraded with a triple axel.
In her SP she is far ahead majority of the international skaters who have serious under rotation issues on triples/doubles with questionable reputation scoring too since some of them score almost 70+ with invalid 2Lz's or popped 2F combos in a short. Petrosian is head/shoulders above that especially in her short at Rus Nats.
To make it easier to read I bolded my key points.
Regarding her free skate. The scoring for her is fair. Some people do not know how to do the math or simply aren't doing the math and it shows....
Adeliia had a BV of 74.65 at Russian Nationals vs 63.23 at International Milano olympic qualifying comp.
She upgraded her BV by +11.42 points.
She got 5.59 GOE maximum at Russian Nationals vs 11.61 GOE at International Milano olympic qualifying comp.
A loss of - 6.02 bonus points. Russian judges for her free skate did not give her more points in GOE than Milano. They did the opposite.
So she got better GOE from international judges at her Milano Free skate with +11 points total GOE boost compared with the Russian judges capping her at +5 points total.
She lost more than half her GOE boost for the risks she took---and still made it to 149-150+
Do you guys know how much GOE the former Japanese world champion and the current US world champion need to reach 149 in a free skate if given 70 in PCS like Adeliia with their own tech at the moment?
They need/require over +18 to +20 points in GOE or else they will never see 149+ in any free skate. If they got 5 points GOE like Adeliia and 70 PCS they wouldn't even break 140. For example, take the world champion's winning BV of 63.34 + Adeliia's 5.59 GOE + 70.19 in PCS = 139.12 maximum for that world champ.
Japanese skater #5 at the Grand prix final with +10 in GOE still could not touch 140+ even with that higher GOE and even if they gave her Adeliia's 70.19 she'd max out at 138 nowhere near 149.
Adeliia is in a completely different level as 5 points in GOE is enough to see 149+ (she got 150 but a -1 extra mandatory deduction for the fall brought her to 149).
Ultra-c Adeliia with negatives/punished on her errors and a low GOE total will still output higher numbers in the free which majority of the skaters internationally cannot do at this point in time. She's simply too powerful even with mistakes.
Her 3A step-out was hit with -3's and -4's.
Her 4T fall was hit with -5's across the board.
Her 2T pop was hit with -1's and 0's.
There were no bonus points given for any jumps with major errors. All negative for Adeliia yet...
Her saving grace is that she's a powerful back-loader in addition to having ultra-c. She did not fall on any non-ultra c jumps.
She racked up almost 40 points in the second half on jumps alone whereas a skater like for example, the reigning world champ, at best racks up a max of 25-27 points in the back-half. Adeliia is far stronger technically than the vast majority.
Back to her PCS....
She got 70 in PCS from judges at Russian Nationals which is a drop of 5 - 6 points as she's usually getting 75 - 76 when she's clean with ultra-c in Russia so she's at a deficit from her usual marks.
In contrast the former Japanese World Champion with mistakes on easier triples/doubles at her own nationals last season only drops by 1- 2 or so points from her best inflated National PCS with zero ultra-c ever performed. At Kinoshita one of her worst FS events this season she drops by 1 point in PCS compared to her Worlds PCS. Not by a massive 5 - 6 points like Adeliia did today.
Even the reigning US national Champion at Worlds in an error filled free and a fall only dropped 1 - 2 points from her best PCS not a severe 5 - 6 points like the Russian judges did for Adeliia for making errors.
Last season's European champion in a regressed form right now post achilles tendon surgery, this season, only scored 1 point less in PCS at Estonian Nationals compared to her peak/strongest form in her European gold winning skate, and also scored 1 point more in PCS than her last year's nationals where she was stronger.
None of these women who are "favorites" at home get heavily slashed by 5 - 6 points from their best even with major errors like Adeliia just did by Russian judges. Majority lose 1 - 3 points at most in PCS from their very best PCS at nationals. Adeliia's PCS in the free did get hit harder than most top skating favorites at their own Nats in comparison when they make mistakes.
That being said...
Adele got 66.07 PCS from judges at international Milano when she was in worse physical condition, freshly injured, and yes skated clean with a mesmerizing performance garnering over 500,000+ views with high praise in the comments on social media. But still this was with weaker tech than today at Russian Nationals.
In the FS despite her mistakes on her utlra-c due to her nerves, she was stronger in her triples than Milano, in terms of PCS she is in better physical shape here as well as she is faster/sharper than in Milano. Her PCS should be higher than Milano's FS (especially with the tech upgrade) yet at the same time it should still be less than last year's Rus Nats PCS (which it was) where she skated cleanly with ultra-c at 76 PCS.
Milano was overall a better viewing experience only for the free skate (the short program at RUS nats was miles away and by far better than Milano) since she skated it cleanly. However her FS was only clean in Milano as she had zero risky ultra-c elements there unlike today. She could have played it safe here, but chose to go for the risk. Despite her 3A and 4T failing, I highly respect her for even attempting ultra-c in the free.
At Russian Nats compared to Milano Petrosian got an extra +3.52 points in PCS.
70.19 PCS with ultra-c vs 66.07 PCS without ultra-c, but overall it fell short of her best as she ultimately got nearly 6 points less than her best form at Rus Nats.
In contrast at one point the current US national champ was scoring 61 - 63 in PCS for a long time internationally despite this fact, the US Judges gave 70+ PCS at her home US Nats. She had an error filled FS on easier jump passes yet received an almost 7-10 point boost in PCS at home that she wasn't getting internationally for a long time.
Furthermore, even if Adeliia is given this "64 in PCS" that another user randomly threw out there (which honestly is far too low for an Adeliia Petrosian senior level skater with ultra-c. See #10 at worlds who imploded on easier jumps 2023/2024 season and scored 65 in PCS) she'd still break 230+ winning anyway and would still be over 140+ in the free. In fact with a low 64 in PCS she'd be at around 144 for her free skate.
I'd still have Adeliia over Alisa since she is the stronger of the two. If Alisa wanted to win she'd put a 3A in the short program, just like how Adeliia declared a 2A, but upgraded to 3A in the short. If Adeliia did not change that Layout Alisa would be the champion.
A funny note! I saw a comment saying her free skate is at "most 130 - 133 at the olympics."
To be clear to everyone that is impossible. The math is not mathing.
To reach this very low 130 - 133 with her high level tech Petrosian would need to get 49 - 52 in PCS which is difficult to achieve even for the most poor/mediocre of senior skaters at World level events. Even a skater at 20th place at worlds falling over the ice on easier triples/doubles would score more than 49 in PCS (around 54 PCS that 20th place skater got by the way). This is surely a hater's dream for Adeliia, but not reality. Let them dream though.....
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Yes the “skate to Milano” Beijing qualifier event. I say Milano for short. If I say Beijing I’m back to 2022 Olympics (and some of the athletes I mentioned competed in 2022 Beijing so Milano is a better separator).
I already explained this in my original long post. Did you read it? I understand it’s long and you might of skimmed it.
Here’s the part where I already talked about PCS:
Pasted from that other post…
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Back to her PCS....
She got 70 in PCS from judges at Russian Nationals which is a drop of 5 - 6 points as she's usually getting 75 - 76 when she's clean with ultra-c in Russia so she's at a deficit from her usual marks.
In contrast the former Japanese World Champion with mistakes on easier triples/doubles at her own nationals last season only drops by 1- 2 or so points from her best inflated National PCS with zero ultra-c ever performed. At Kinoshita one of her worst FS events this season she drops by 1 point in PCS compared to her Worlds PCS. Not by a massive 5 - 6 points like Adeliia did today.
Even the reigning US national Champion at Worlds in an error filled free and a fall only dropped 1 - 2 points from her best PCS not a severe 5 - 6 points like the Russian judges did for Adeliia for making errors.
Last season's European champion in a regressed form right now post achilles tendon surgery, this season, only scored 1 point less in PCS at Estonian Nationals compared to her peak/strongest form in her European gold winning skate, and also scored 1 point more in PCS than her last year's nationals where she was stronger.
None of these women who are "favorites" at home get heavily slashed by 5 - 6 points from their best even with major errors like Adeliia just did by Russian judges. Majority lose 1 - 3 points at most in PCS from their very best PCS at nationals. Adeliia's PCS in the free did get hit harder than most top skating favorites at their own Nats in comparison when they make mistakes.
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Then another part:
“At Russian Nats compared to Milano Petrosian got an extra +3.52 points in PCS.
70.19 PCS with ultra-c vs 66.07 PCS without ultra-c, but overall it fell short of her best as she ultimately got nearly 6 points less than her best form at Rus Nats.
In contrast at one point the current US national champ was scoring 61 - 63 in PCS for a long time internationally despite this fact, the US Judges gave 70+ PCS at her home US Nats. She had an error filled FS on easier jump passes yet received an almost 7-10 point boost in PCS at home that she wasn't getting internationally for a long time.”
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I don’t want to rewrite what I already mentioned
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Congratulations all. Adelina couldn't have skated bad with the score she got. I read somewhere she didnt skate well
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I think that Adelina can do both 3A and 4T in Olympics - at National she was having enormous pressure + she also wants to delievr the maximun - this is why. They may remove 3A from FP - for the Olympics like with Anna Shcherbakova - downgraded from 4Lutz to 4F then she was ok.
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*Her usual marks within Russia - That may or may not correspond to her maximum marks internationally. All that despite the federation being very loud about "wanting to score skaters in line with international standards" this season "to better prepare them".
Kaori made a single mistake last season at Nationals. A three-turn between two jumps in a combination. If that is bad enough to be supposed to drop her PCS score by more than 1-2 points, then how much should Adeliia's score drop with a fall, a step-out and a pop? Less than 5-6 points?
I also don't know why we're using Worlds as the benchmark, when her PCS at last season's Worlds are not even the highest PCS she got in that season? Especially if we are comparing Adeliia's scores to her maximum?
US domestic scoring is a joke, yes. And nobody denies that, not even US fans (mostly). Other countries with uselessly overenthusiastic domestic scoring at Nationals are France, Italy and, ever so often, Russia.
This year, it was mostly only Adeliia's and sometimes Petr's scores that were given a little extra push - And looking at Adeliia's reaction, she knows that very well.
Oh, a small federation giving their strongest skater, who doesn't have any domestic competition, gifts at Nationals is not a huge conversation topic? Weird. Or actually not, considering there is not even a thread for Estonian Nationals (to my knowledge). Also, despite doing a program with lower BV, to my knowledge she didn't actually make any mistakes at Nationals. Technical content (outside of serious errors) is not actually supposed to affect PCS, though we all know that doesn't really hold up in practice. Otherwise Trusova should have had the highest PCS of any woman and I think we can all agree that that is not reflective of her actual PCS potential.
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Literally this girl is so strong all she needs is to keep her golden 3A in the SP.
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If she stays in shape she can do it! It all comes down to her nerves.
Amber had one error on a triple loop, otherwise she was clean.
However, I admit 71 was a bit inflated, even with a gorgeous 3a and six other clean triples. Since you mentioned increase in PCS during a career (Amber's is long), how did Trusova manage a 74+ at 2022 Russian Nationals, when she was getting 61s only a year prior? Trusova was a great jumper, but her PCS should have been 62-63 at most. In any event, my point was about how Adeliya will be scored at the Olympics if she skates like she did at Nationals. Likewise, if Amber doesn't skate cleanly, she will not be a podium threat.
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For the event you’re referring to with the bad loop that US champion fell on the easier 3Lo and popped the easier double axel into a single in her combo. She was rewarded for this not punished at all in her PCS. Had she dropped by 2 or 3 points the US world champion would win and be the National US champion not her.
Regarding the US champion’s current success, it is very recent it was not throughout her long career. I’m happy she’s succeeding now but she was the type who’d debut in seniors with a 55 score in a short program and get 52 in PCS in a free skate getting a total of 157 which is bad for any top skater. She was nowhere near as strong as Trusova back then and even now. I don’t see her on podium as she is now being pushed aside in favor of the younger more consistent US world champion who surpasses her without ultra-c. A Japanese lady must be on podium so it’s either the world champion or the US champ. Even if she’s clean her own country USFS is pushing the younger more stable champion without 3A/quads not the US champ with 3A. I expect the reigning US world champion to overtake the US national champ for the medal.
A year prior to Rus Nats 2022 Trusova did not get 61 in PCS she had 72 PCS at Rus Nats 2021. Her PCS/performance is not my cup of tea and is mainly related to her being the highest level female technical skater who remains unmatched in BV (technically speaking).
Regarding Adeliia she is not in the same position as the US national champion where she must be spotless in the FS. The US champion at full strength has to make as little mistakes as possible and skate near her absolute best to even reach 148 in a free program (her best score in her career). Adeliia with her higher layout has to mess up 3 elements with one fall and 1 incomplete popped quad jump to go down to 149 in a free skate after a -1 deduction. So far without 3A in international comp the US champ cannot break 140 and the PCS goes down without that 3A boost. Unlike her without a 3A and no ultra-c Adeliia can already break 140 from her debut as an “unknown” first time senior skater. Completely different circumstances.
Adeliia is set if she does a clean 3A in the SP as she can’t be matched by majority of the women in the FS even with mistakes.
Something I didn't really pay attention to in the moment, was Adelia doing a 3Lz-2A-2A, 3F-3T, 3F-3T in the second half of her program bringing in nearly a whopping 40 points.
No wonder she was starting to look a little tired towards the end.
That is extraordinary after expending energy early in the program on a 3A and 4T as well.
So yes, she stepped out on a 3A that was on the quarter and it was marked down accordingly, fell on a 4T, but had a huge 3Lz-2A-2A sequence and two 3-3 all in the second half of her program. Only the last 3T looked suspect on the landing but wasn't given a q or underrotaion. So she's probably losing 2.5 points at most if we give it an underrotation instead of a q and bring down the GOE. At worst a 37 points from jumps in the second half of the program.
Compare that to the winner of the GP final recently, she had a 3 jump sequence with just a 2T on the end, 3-2 combo, single 2A in the second half for about 24 points. And they forgave her suspect landings as well (Adelia just had the final 3T looking a little suspect).
70 PCS is quite reasonable, it was third highest.
I can't think of someone doing a 3 jump sequence and two 3-3's in the second half of the program. It's extraordinary. That's what won it for her.
No wonder she was starting to look a little tired towards the end.
That is extraordinary after expending energy early in the program on a 3A and 4T as well.
So yes, she stepped out on a 3A that was on the quarter and it was marked down accordingly, fell on a 4T, but had a huge 3Lz-2A-2A sequence and two 3-3 all in the second half of her program. Only the last 3T looked suspect on the landing but wasn't given a q or underrotaion. So she's probably losing 2.5 points at most if we give it an underrotation instead of a q and bring down the GOE. At worst a 37 points from jumps in the second half of the program.
Compare that to the winner of the GP final recently, she had a 3 jump sequence with just a 2T on the end, 3-2 combo, single 2A in the second half for about 24 points. And they forgave her suspect landings as well (Adelia just had the final 3T looking a little suspect).
70 PCS is quite reasonable, it was third highest.
I can't think of someone doing a 3 jump sequence and two 3-3's in the second half of the program. It's extraordinary. That's what won it for her.
3A is a q looking at it in slow motion, 4T a q as well. Both would be very harsh underrotations.
Kaori does not get a wrong edge for her lutz, Liu doesn't get an unclear or wrong edge on her flip.
Also, someone was saying she doesn't deserve any GOE on her jumps. If someone who mule kicks on every jump can get 3's on her jumps, then Adelia's are fine.
She rotates her jumps up there with the best. I watched the GP final almost every skater had major problems rotating their jumps and the judges ignored much of it.
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I was incorrect. Trusova scored a 61 as a junior, but a 66 at 2020 Rosteledom Cup. We'll have to see what happens at Olympics. Alysa is showing clean 3a (or at worst q) in practice. She copied Liza/Amber's technique now that she's taller and more muscular than she was as Junior. She scored 75+ at 2025 Worlds sp without 3a. With a clean 3a, she would score at least 83 with ultra c pcs boost. She's also skating in final group. Lastly, "Promise" is a mature work of art. I'll reserve comment on her new Lady Gaga long program until I see it at Nationals.
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Not clean, big hook on the landing. Underrotation, carries no speed on the exit, lacks control on the exit. This was likely one of 20 attempts she shot before uploading the video. It would be a bad day for the sport if they start handing out positive GOE for such a jump.
So these are her second half jumps. One of the extraordinary performances ever seen in women's skating.
Someone was saying they are muscled, they look ideal to me. No-one will be rotating jumps that well at the Olympics, let alone in the second half of the program.
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Yea, I don't see us going into Japanese threads bringing up Russian skaters every season.
If you look at the Alyssa fan fest this user thinks she should be scoring 85 BTW. Just fun fact.
The "US Champion" and "World Champion" were initially referenced by uwoawuwoa in this thread. I was just responding to their post. Prior to her post, I was only discussing Adeliya's fs.
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Pause.
I referenced the “U.S. champion” and “US World Champion” only as context to support my analysis of Petrosian’s scoring, along with the former Japanese world champ and Estonian European champ — and I always brought it back to Adeliia. She’s the focus; they’re background. Even in my last reply to you that slightly derailed due to the random inclusion of Trusova, it circles back to Petrosian and how she’s unmatched in strength internationally.
Your latest reply, however, excludes Petrosian — and all the Russian skaters in this event — and pivots entirely into the techniques of the U.S. and World Champion and a Gaga program, none of which has anything to do with Russian Nationals.
I had no response as I’m not interested in discussing their jump technique or programs. They’re only relevant as background context for my Petrosian analysis.
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