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ok, what happened? did they made backflip mandatory or let Russians compete this season?
59th ISU Congress: Watch and Discuss
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
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just curious why you wrote LOL, I'm not watching live
So you posted about a "mandatory backflip" and Russians?
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The problem with this is that I don't know who you saw and when, because I have a feeling that if your introduction to skating had been for example Sasha Trusova, and not Toller, your perception of the artistic merits of skating would be quite different, perhaps even to the point of not watching it again.
Don't want to step on your toes, but can you please just try to explain what about for example this routine is disconnected from the music? I'm genuinely asking.
I have no idea either, and as I said, it's just a matter of personal perception. I never claim, and never would claim, that my opinion for gymnastics or skating or anything is worldwide gospel truth. In fact, I tend to disregard posts like that. (This is NOT directed at you, just a genera; statement).
For background though, I am one of those rare skating fans who doesn't like or follow gymnastics, rhythmic or otherwise. In skating, I do not follow the ladies, or at least not at all like I follow the men. I am not impressed by a woman, or in particular a young teen, yanking her skate up over her head and I don't find it interesting. I don't find it interesting on land either. When I first saw Denise Bielmann, I thought oh dear Lord what an ugly spin. Luckily it will die out with her. Which shows what my opinion is worth
That routine seems much more connected. I cannot get into a sport that prizes those kinds of positions however, so I am afraid gymnastics will need to live without me. I'm sure it will survive.
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This is a useless comment unless we know what you are talking about. LOL
Given that the delegates were confused by the process and the changes to the programs that they were voting on, it's better to make sure everyone understands the process. I'm glad her proposal to have a secret vote was passed so that all the delegates can be certain about the votes given the technology issues they're having.
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She's 20, but besides the point. There is so much stylised movement (also to the genre of the song) in this routine that it's very difficult to miss, in my opinion.
As you brought up her age and gender - Is that one of the things important to you to see connection to the music? Did you also have difficulty finding the connection to the music in for example Brown/Brown's "Nothing else matters" because it's actually a love song and they are siblings, as well as being in their mid-teens when they skated to the music? Would a male skater doing "Black Swan" be difficult to connect to for you?
Does something like this connect better with you if you know that she lost the Olympic gold with the routine before and almost didn't do this routine because she was so devastated? (The music used is "Valse Triste" - sad Waltz)
Is there music that is impossible to really connect a routine (if in gymnastics, figure skating or dance) to because of its story, or can any character be portrayed by a person and if so, is the age and gender of a person important in portraying a story?
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It's my understanding they are not casting a second vote on 239 and 240. The secret vote is for 241 and who knows what they'll do to 245 after 241. They have been using the green and red cards all day today as well as yesterday, but suddenly they are confused? I'm not buying it.
Because they're not voting on passing proposals, they're voting to remove proposals from a package. The package as a whole will pass. If they don't remove the proposal, then it passes. So now 239 and 240 are kept in the package and they will pass with the package.
The delegates came to the session thinking that there would be more discussion and then realized there wouldn't be. Now they're on edge even more and wanting to make sure everything is counted correctly. If a secret ballot can help them feel assured by the process, then that's the right thing to do. The ISU needs to have the trust of the delegates when voting.
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It's almost a bit like watching a dumpster fire to be honest 
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I am sure this will make a looooot of difference.
Not.
It reminds me of that old Yes Minister episode about quangos and paid junkets. But I like step sequences, they just need to make doing them well (like spirals etc) worth as much as jumps.
I just got up, what was the actual proposal?
I know this. The woman from Ireland tried to get them to redo it because of her fuzzy math conclusion. (239 and 240) Gentleman on the panel said no, since the number of people in the room do not have to match the number of votes. He's right. You can't force people to vote.
They let Eric Radford and two USFS guys come back and speak. Again. That means I heard them twice. If USFS could make their comments and it still didn't cut it, I can't imagine who would complain about the outcome other than someone who just did not like the outcome.
On edge? The woman from Ireland started the problem by shouting fire and she was wrong to begin with. Secret anything is not the right thing to do. And whatever articles get written because of the lack of transparency, they will surely deserve.
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So, the motion to remove the proposal that reduced the number of jumps failed by 1 vote. As such, the proposal moves forward as a package and will most likely be passed. The proposal that was removed will be voted on tomorrow, 241, focuses on the choreo spin and whether skaters can repeat the same type of jump three times. Before everyone panics, the removal of one jumping pass would mean that Ilia could still do one of every type of quad. Most men will remove a triple flip or lutz, and the women can do a full-triple program and avoid doing a solo double axel or triple sal. This will put more value on each individual jumping pass, so skaters will want to skate cleaner and do more difficult programs with the jumps they do have. Of course, I tend to be a bit of an optimist, and I know lots of people will have strong feelings on this, but I think none of us can fully pass judgement until we've seen it in action.
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241 hasn't been removed yet, to my understanding, they will vote on it tomorrow, I think?
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