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Wouldn't that be the people who skated the best throughout the season leading into the Olympics?
2014 Skate Canada Ladies FS 11/01
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Wouldn't that be the people who skated the best throughout the season leading into the Olympics?
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Agree. Even though I find Adelina's new programs quite dull compare to Satoko, I don't see the judges will give Satoko the gold in NHK if Adelina is clean.
But it's true that Adelina is rarely clean in both her programs.
So if Satoko wins over Adelina in NHK, I would have to
to NMURA because of his prediction.
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As far as artistry is concerned, only Julia and Adelina are slightly better than Satoko in that department. Satoko is certainly far far ahead of Elena, Pogo, Tuk, Gracie, or Ashley. Her only weakness is the lack of "big jumps", and because that, she's been harshly and unfairly judged so far. However, I hope judges come to senses soon and face the truth. Satoko has the combined grace of Yukina Ota and Shizuka Arakawa, and she is a very very special young lady. Call me crazy, but I think she has even better artistry than Mao or Yuna for that matter. I hope and believe that Satoko can grow up to be as artistic as Carolina at her best or even better than her
She does herself no favors skating to her height. The word that comes to mind watching her skate is, precocious. And that shouldn't be. There is nothing "wow" about her skating. Mao had it as a junior and so did YuNa. They made you wonder what impact they would have once reaching the senior levels. But there are no "large" superlatives extolling Satoko's skating because despite her abilities she skates small and thus it makes her performance forgettable once she is done.
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It wasn't just the Russians. Gold ended up getting personal best PCS for her individual FS which had a fall (68.33 PCS), compared to her clean team FS (61.89 PCS) in Sochi. Her Worlds FS was 4.8 higher PCS than her clean team FS. Hanyu went from a singled 4S and fall on a 4T at TEB to a fall on a 4S to a clean 4T at the GPF and somehow that merited his PCS rising from 81.94 (TEB) to 92.38 (GPF)... no way can anyone improve their PCS by 11 points in just 2 weeks.
This is not to dig Lip/Gold/Hanyu/Kost, who are all fine skaters and aren't the ones giving out marks.... but the judges need to stop this crap.
Yulia is one of the best ladies skaters out there, and if she has the same successful season she had last year, she’ll be THE top skater. At age 15, her Schindler’s List program was more mature and touching to many people than the programs that Yuna Kim made at that age.
And that "juniorsh" skating won a silver medal in the SENIOR world skating competition, unlike Kim who at that age was wining the JUNIOR competition. 
At age 15, her Schindler’s List program was more mature and touching to many people than the programs that Yuna Kim made at that age.
Yuna Kim's Tango de Roxanne is still one of my faves. And I think it impressed plenty of people back then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh-850kqJoE
In the end, it all comes down to preference. I "wowed" at Satoko's program, and that performance was not forgettable to me--it's probably the only ladies program from this competition that I will watch again and again.
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Oh, no. I very much agree with you. (Trust me, I am not one of the skating fans would would quickly leap to Gold or Hanyu's defense). Maybe because I'm paying a little more attention this season, but judges are very selective in which jumps they call UR too--selective in a very puzzling way.
And in an interview with Frank Carroll, he himself laughed at the difference in PCS for Denis between the SP and the FS. He said something along the lines of, "I didn't know my student could improve so much so fast overnight!"
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I expected to get some total gisagrees, given this forum seems to be a bit like Satoko's fan forum
But I watched her program carefully several times and I can surely state that lack of interpretation is obvious in her program. She isn't underscored in PCS, she's overestimated by goldenskate users. It's strange because in fact everything is quite the contrary
Satoko tries to perform some "dramatic" movements but they appear to be funny because she looks like a child, a bit disproportional maybe... Even well-teached child will never perform as good as mature skater.In your opinion.
YMMV. I remember being impressed by it and certainly the Eurosport commentators loved it.Yuna has also come up with great programs since then: Dance Macabre, Gershwin's Concerto, Bond Girl to name a few. Anyway, agree to disagree and all that jazz.
Haha at the amount of thread drift. Apologies, my fellow posters.
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So does anyone have any issues with the PCS scores at Skate Canada?
So does anyone have any issues with the PCS scores at Skate Canada?
Yes. Satoko's PCS should be higher than Yulia's at Sochi. She's far far far far artistically better. And I'm not even her blind fan, it's just obvious
Edit: kidding. IMO, Leonova's PCS should be higher.
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Lol. How are you going to compare a tango SP to a slower-paced soundtrack LP though? If you're going to compare, I think it should be the SL program vs. The Lark Ascending.
And I hated the Tango de Roxanne program. LOL. Her revisited program (in 2012) was very good though.
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So does anyone have any issues with the PCS scores at Skate Canada?
So does anyone have any issues with the PCS scores at Skate Canada?
Hmmmm, well, I didn't understand the sizable gap in PCS between Satoko and Anna. I thought Satoko should be slightly ahead of Anna in that respect. But good for Anna for completing seven triples!
I like the Lark program too. Actually, since we're talking about introspective programs this season. That one was a pretty good one.
I missed the FS yesterday which is quite sad because I like watching with all of you but I'm surprised at all the derailment here hmmm
anyway I watched a couple of the performances and I'm happy Ashley gave a much stronger performance in her LP than what she did at the Japan Open, I actually like this program a lot, she's such a powerful presence on ice, really draws you in. I'm surprised at ! on her 3F because I think that's one of her strongest jumps and I wish that a flutz wasn't penalized so heavily so she wouldn't exclude it. That way she could still do a 3Lo-2A sequence which is my favourite combination from her. I really love sequences where the 2A is the 2nd jump, looks so powerful haha, Liza's 3S-2A is also a beauty.
Anna really needs to work on her spins and I especially think that she needs to change her combination spin, at least take out the illusion because it's just really unattractive sorry. Her jumps were good but few people make the 3?-1Lo-3S look good and she's not one of them, kudos to her for landing that along with a 3Lz-3T. Random thought, when she did her spiral towards the end of the program with the catchfoot and she looked up, wow she's just stunning. I'll never like Firebird though
anyway I watched a couple of the performances and I'm happy Ashley gave a much stronger performance in her LP than what she did at the Japan Open, I actually like this program a lot, she's such a powerful presence on ice, really draws you in. I'm surprised at ! on her 3F because I think that's one of her strongest jumps and I wish that a flutz wasn't penalized so heavily so she wouldn't exclude it. That way she could still do a 3Lo-2A sequence which is my favourite combination from her. I really love sequences where the 2A is the 2nd jump, looks so powerful haha, Liza's 3S-2A is also a beauty.
Anna really needs to work on her spins and I especially think that she needs to change her combination spin, at least take out the illusion because it's just really unattractive sorry. Her jumps were good but few people make the 3?-1Lo-3S look good and she's not one of them, kudos to her for landing that along with a 3Lz-3T. Random thought, when she did her spiral towards the end of the program with the catchfoot and she looked up, wow she's just stunning. I'll never like Firebird though
Seriously? I'm not the worlds biggest Kim fan and have no particular feelings about her Tango de Roxanne program, but describing any of Julia's skating as "soulful" is absurd. She has many fine qualities as a young skater, but artistry and soul are not among them. She is a technical dynamo, but not an artist, at least not at this point. Her Schindler's List program was cleverly choreographed, but her performance of it remained robotic throughout. I'd hardly point to this as the pinnacle of what Schindler's List could look like on the ice.
Regarding Yuna's Tango Roxanne: There was such a joy and spark to her skating then. Phenomenal to watch. I guess, a potential "problem" is whether the fire and joy she displayed were appropriate to the music.
Yulia on SL doesn't project as well as Yuna did, partially due to Yulia's smaller skating and jumps. But her movements really express the music and story.
So, if I were a judge, I'd give Tango Yuna higher P/E, but SL Yulia higher INT. Anyway, both were great performances by two (then-)young skaters. I'm glad that even with Yuna's retirement, we still have some great ladies competing; the arguing, perhaps, is a testament to that, showing how posters feel very strongly about certain competitors.
Yulia on SL doesn't project as well as Yuna did, partially due to Yulia's smaller skating and jumps. But her movements really express the music and story.
So, if I were a judge, I'd give Tango Yuna higher P/E, but SL Yulia higher INT. Anyway, both were great performances by two (then-)young skaters. I'm glad that even with Yuna's retirement, we still have some great ladies competing; the arguing, perhaps, is a testament to that, showing how posters feel very strongly about certain competitors.
Yulia is one of the best ladies skaters out there, and if she has the same successful season she had last year, she’ll be THE top skater. At age 15, her Schindler’s List program was more mature and touching to many people than the programs that Yuna Kim made at that age.
sure she is a wonder at 15, but she is no match to the 15 y/o Mao Asada who at that time was considered to be the best in the world in her junior level. Dubbed as the could've been youngest Olympic champion in history.
The difference between them is that Mao Asada at 15 was skating age appropriately. She chooses fun music and was a joy to watch just like a kid that she was. I don't see that to the 15 julia. She just look so mature.
