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inskate said:
inskate]Yuna seems to be working on 3A as well (here's a gif of her doing 3A off-ice: http://i62.tinypic.com/4t60s8.gif

:rock: Just as I have always maintained. Jumping has nothing to do with ice skating -- it is a dry land acrobatic skill.

The only place where skating comes in is landing gracefully on a secure flowing edge. :yes: ;)
 
Marin's Axel isn't that good. She has poorest Axel among the Japanese junior. She should go for the 4S as her toe loop isn't that special.
Yuna's axel is even better than Wakaba.

Aren't you mistaking Marin with someone else? I went back and rewatched her recent 2As frame-by-frame -and I can't see anything wrong with them (nor there is any big difference in her 3A and Yuna's).
Marin: http://i.imgur.com/aMCH8Lf.gifv
Yuna: http://i.imgur.com/JBsD5H4.gifv

Yuna's 2A might be slightly higher, but she only did solo 2As this season (no 2A-3T), while Marin (and Wakaba) practiced 2A with 2A-3T in mind, prioritizing control and speed on the landing over height. Marin's 2A is airy rather than powerful (especially in the most recent performances); she doesn't bend her knee much on the take-off, using momentum rather than muscle power to get herself up in the air. However, when she practices 3A:
http://i.imgur.com/Mr6vUN3.gifv
...she does use her knee more and gets up higher in the air. (While she's secored by a harness, it's only a pole harness, not a ceiling one, so the coach does not lift her into the air and certainly has no influence over her take-off position).

The most powerful 2A by a junior lady probably belongs to Kaori Sakamoto - her body is more mature and she has really powerful legs. Sadly, she has issues with consistency and edge on the lutz - I hope she works on those! :)

I must say I do love the 2A Yuna does in her SP - I have a fondness that entry. :) Her SP is tremendously well choreographed - does anyone know who did the choreo?
 
Michael Martinez - Romeo and Juliet LP (starts at 3.03)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5aQV45M6Os

Yikes... Another poor Morozombified victim? I love Michael to bits, but this program remind me of watching a Miki Ando program. 2nd Romeo just like Hanyu too, plus POTO last year Hmmm.... I find the program rather generic that hardly make any reference to the music other than the beginning and the final 30 seconds as an after thought... lazy lazy work. (it can be saved with some choreographic tweaks perhaps) I wonder how long it took Morozov to choreograph this one? That spin placement at 6.45m is like :confused: Hope Michael doesn't get ripped off paying a fortune for this. This program deserve 1.99 rubles (1 for the footwork choreograph sequence) and I am being generous. ... but then at least the ruble currency means ALOT in this sport, and ISU seems to determine to place judges that seems artistically/auditory challenged so it would hardly makes any difference as long you hit all elements and belong to a A1 graded federation and make outrageous dramatic face at the end! Dying on ice extra bonus!
 
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Aren't you mistaking Marin with someone else? I went back and rewatched her recent 2As frame-by-frame -and I can't see anything wrong with them (nor there is any big difference in her 3A and Yuna's).
Marin: http://i.imgur.com/aMCH8Lf.gifv
Yuna: http://i.imgur.com/JBsD5H4.gifv
From this it's obvious to me that Yuna's 2A is much better. On many other videos Yuna's 2A is even bigger than that. I even sent videos of them to my friends, they said the same. Yuna is just very natural with the axel.

Yuna's 2A might be slightly higher, but she only did solo 2As this season (no 2A-3T), while Marin (and Wakaba) practiced 2A with 2A-3T in mind, prioritizing control and speed on the landing over height.
I am talking about quality. Marin's jump quality in the axel is behind both Wakaba and Yuna.

Marin's 2A is airy rather than powerful (especially in the most recent performances); she doesn't bend her knee much on the take-off, using momentum rather than muscle power to get herself up in the air. However, when she practices 3A:
http://i.imgur.com/Mr6vUN3.gifv
...she does use her knee more and gets up higher in the air. (While she's secored by a harness, it's only a pole harness, not a ceiling one, so the coach does not lift her into the air and certainly has no influence over her take-off position).
Airy jumps means? :shrug: As I have said I think her 2A isn't special. Her 3S is strong, so if any chance, going for the 4S is better for Marin than the 3A. And I think going for the 4S alone is enough to kill the competition if other jumps of her are landed.

The most powerful 2A by a junior lady probably belongs to Kaori Sakamoto - her body is more mature and she has really powerful legs. Sadly, she has issues with consistency and edge on the lutz - I hope she works on those! :)
The girl can jump, but the rest is very questionable. I hope she will improve her interpretation skill.
 
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Discussion of "Yuna" in this thread threw me for a loop for a moment. Oops.
 
Marin uses her arms too much in jumping both 2A and 3A. Actually both Japanese girls swing their arms back and then upward just before take-off. That is not ideal technique. There should be little to no back swing, just upward movement as the arms are brought towards the chest in a tight position. There should also be no pause just before the skates leave the ice, although I can't really tell whether there is a pause or not based of the 2A gifs. But often times you see that in skaters who have trouble fully-rotating a 3A.
 
Yuna's 2A might be slightly higher, but she only did solo 2As this season (no 2A-3T), while Marin (and Wakaba) practiced 2A with 2A-3T in mind, prioritizing control and speed on the landing over height.

Actually, Yuna does the 3S-2A-seq regularly. I checked the records/protocols of domestic competitions, and she's been using this sequence regularly since 2013 in FS. She also has the 3-jump combination 2A-2T-2L. But Yuna doesn't have 3T in jump combinations, not yet, I think.
 
Discussion of "Yuna" in this thread threw me for a loop for a moment. Oops.
Image it Karne, if at Olympic 2018, a girl called Yuna wins gold on Korean soil, and she's from Japan.
:laugh2:

Oh but it's just an ironic scene that I think of. I don't think she can do that. 2018 is too soon and there are so many incredible ladies on the line.
 
MCM needs a bit more polishing here and there and some power on his skating for this program. Other than that, his Egmont SP is waaay better than his LP.
 
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