It's only home cooking when it's in Russia then ?. Coz Skate Canada last week was some of the worst biased home judging I had seen in years.
Because your favourites didn't win? Where's the proof?
It's only home cooking when it's in Russia then ?. Coz Skate Canada last week was some of the worst biased home judging I had seen in years.
My favourites DID win but the judging was awful.Because your favourites didn't win? Where's the proof?
My favourites DID win but the judging was awful.
W/P have been one of the most over-scored couples in the past two seasons ?!!.I think each country makes its home cooking, sometimes in a better, sometimes in a worse way. And furthermore there are "agreements" between judges. And the coach's name means a lot too( i.e. Shpilband, but non only him).
So some couples are always overscored, anywhere and anytime they skate (Chock Bates, Papadakis Cizeron), others are often, or have been often, underscored (Weaver Poje, Shibutanis, Gilles Poirier). That's my thought, of course, but the more I follow ice dancing in these years, the more I'm convinced of that.
In the other disciplines things are a little fairer.
Most skating fan's I know thought the judging was awful too. Some of my mates are Canadian & also thought it.By whose standards?
Could you please explain how you came up with this statement?
5.1. BASIC PRINCIPLES OF CALLING APPLICABLE TO ALL REQUIRED ELEMENTS
1. The Technical Panel shall identify what is performed despite what is listed on the Program Content Sheet (e.g. if the sheet says a Reverse Rotational Lift is planned but only the first part is completed, perhaps due to a Fall or interruption, a Rotational Lift shall be identified).
2. Adjustments to Levels shall apply to the Level determined according to the Characteristics of Levels fulfilled. They shall not result in giving No Level to a Required Element as long as the requirements for Level 1 are met.
3. To be given any Level, a Required Element must meet all the requirements for Level 1.
4. If a program concludes with the partners performing an element, the element and its Level shall be identified until the movement stops completely.
5. Elements started after the required duration of the program (plus the 10 seconds allowed) shall not be identified.
W/P have been one of the most over-scored couples in the past two seasons ?!!.
The Shibs were over-scored at this years Skate America.
When have P/C been over-scored ?. They have been the best in the absence of V/M.
W/P have been one of the most over-scored couples in the past two seasons ?!!.
The Shibs were over-scored at this years Skate America.
When have P/C been over-scored ?. They have been the best in the absence of V/M.
W/P have been one of the most over-scored couples in the past two seasons ?!!.
The Shibs were over-scored at this years Skate America.
When have P/C been over-scored ?. They have been the best in the absence of V/M.
Did I say it did not ?.......That's your opinion, which counts as much as mine.
I totally disagree but that's what's great about skating. We see things differently.Agreed they have been the best, but P/C were overscored at Worlds IMO ... Although almost everyone's scores were super unnecessarily through the roof in that FD.
I thought the Shibs were adequately scored at SA. Note their SD wasn't a crazy high number.
Did I say it did not ?.......
Did W/P get penalized for the bad twizzles? Not just Andrews off-balance point, but they were also out of sync. for the first twizzle. It looked like they got more than seven points for that element. Was the element judged correctly?
Unrelated point: as a fan of ID, I'm very disappointed by this sport at this point. I feel really bad for teams that are not being judged consistently across competitions, and I don't understand how teams continue to set goals at this point?
I finally got home and was able to watch the top 3 FDs.
Bobrova/Soloviev...I know we're not supposed to compare scores across competitions, but considering all of the other performances that scored 111 or more, that one did not deserve it. I think some of the judges were trying really hard to score them high enough so they may beat a clean Chock/Bates to ensure a GPF spot. I think the first part has promise, but I agree with those who say it goes on too long and they probably need a middle piece to bridge the first two thirds and the Vivaldi piece. It's so cute that Zhulin loves Four Seasons so much that he thinks it's the answer to what is obviously either choreographer's block or simple lack of imagination/limited music and dance vocabulary, but seriously man. It's so disparate from the rest of the piece. Ekaterina has improved a lot from where she started as a senior and I think Dmitri is actually a very underrated dancer. He's very strong, has a striking look on the ice, moves very well and fluidly, can handle difficulty, and is polished. I have to say this performance didn't really do much for me though I do think the FD has promise.
Chock/Bates' FD seriously does not work for me. I already thought they were sort of superficial in the way they portrayed music and this FD really highlights that. There's a serious lack of depth here. Four competitions now and I still fail to see the connection between the choreography, their interpretation, and the music/lyrics. The cuts are bad enough as it destroys the strength of the actual song, but when they're smiling and having choreography that's too on the nose (like with the first lift with Madison mouthing "tomorrow" and then transition to raising her arms to the lyric "higher") I start to question the level of sophistication. The opening moves are nice to show off Madison's flexibility, but I still don't know what it has to do with the music other than saying "oh snapping! Let's put some snappy moves!". As they're smiling their way through the song, it looks like they're just mindlessly doing Christopher Dean steps while doing Igor's patented grabbing hands holds while crossovering to one isolated piece of choreography to crossovering to a required element. It looks like a typical Chock/Bates routine with the way they're selling it too as her and Evan's facial expressions don't look much different from their past FDs. Chock's skating weaknesses is on display in that final footwork sequence as Madison was really slowing down and dragging out there to the point where Evan had to literally drag her through it and did the usual tricks that a stronger partner does for the weaker partner (picking her up to keep the flow and speed, hopping, etc.). I know people like that they're going against the grain and not doing a softer or more lyrical piece of music, but after four competitions so far, I think that novelty wore off for me and the program itself isn't good.
As for Weaver/Poje, I was expecting to like it more than other posters like with their SD, but I really didn't like that FD at all. Great rotational lift aside, it all seemed labored in places and the program doesn't go anywhere. It's a very paint-by-the-numbers routine where all I saw were the required elements. There was a part where Kaitlyn was trying way too hard to bring the drama and feeling with her arms before their final footwork sequence and it was so unnatural and forced. I have a feeling they're going to incorporate more of that as the season progresses as there's nothing else in the program (choreography, music edit) that gives the audience anything to sell the program. I don't really like the violin version of Aranjuez that Kwan used, but that would've been an improvement for this ice dance routine. I don't even know if they were even trying to skate/dance to a beat here. Also, Andrew's twizzles were seriously on the cusp of bobbling all over the place and I have a feeling he'll be having that issue all season long. They've always had the weakest twizzles of the top teams from 2015-on, and it's gotten worse, IMO.
... 1. The SKATERS, not the coaches, complete "ISU planned element" forms through an electronic portal at the beginning of the season, prior to EACH competition. If programs change, or the elements themselves or the order changes as choreography is adjusted, it can be accurate during each event. I emphasize skaters, because it is their electronic signature that is the sign off. NOT the coaches. Obviously, depending on the athlete, it may be that all of this is under the mandate of the coach. But, as the senior competitors are adults, and they are in essence professional athletes, they provide the information and attest to it.
2. The planned elements, however, are just that. Elements: "Twizzles" There is no indication of level provided in the form. It is not "Level 4 twizzles." To do so would be moot. Obviously, every competitor is designing and intending their elements to earn the highest possible level. Is every skater capable of executing an element worthy of earning the highest level according to the rules? Not necessarily (e.g., some non-dominant twizzles do not travel) Is every skater, coach and choreographer reading the rules and interpreting them correctly? Sadly, no.
3. For the Technical specialists, whether they are interpreting what the skater intends and coaches design - is another matter. I say "interpret" because sometimes it is very clear. Sometimes it is more of a judgment call.
Especially with footwork - it is a matter of "point of view", literally - as in, could the technical caller determine, by seeing with their own eyes, from the vantage point that they have and/or from the video that is provided to them when they "review" an element, whether a turn was performed correctly or not, to EARN the level intended. To an extent, this is what the pre-season work is about. Skate Canada's high performance camp. US Figure Skating Champs Camp. Russian Test Skates. Each of these events include judges and technical specialists, who review programs and provide ADVICE.
4. In principle, there is no "agreed upon" level PRIOR to the competition. During ice dance competitions, especially, it has always been true that the judges and the technical specialists watch the official practices. The technical specialists are looking to see what levels elements are LIKELY to earn. However the actual LEVEL awarded during the competition IS SUPPOSED TO reflect the execution of the given element during the competition itself. (I won't go into why I chose the preface "in principal" a phrase not chosen casually.)
The judges provide their assessment of the execution of a given element by awarding GOE. In theory this is separate from how their GOE ends up being included in the calculation of the final score - from the level awarded. In the instance of an obvious error, the level can be lowered (lowering base value) AND the GOE is lower as well.
The panel and coaches do NOT, however, agree on levels that will be counted in the score, in advance, leaving it to the judges to simply award grade of execution.
I guess we'll have in the GPF 2 American couples (S/S and C/B) 2 Canadian (V/M and W/P), a French one and a Russian