2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[eterislouisvuitton]

Anna has a beautiful 4Lz.

I think Anna is a delightful and very talented skater but to say that she has a "beatufiul 4Lz" is a bit much. If you understand jumps and watch Anna's "quad" "lutz" in slowmo or even in real time, it's more of a 3.5 flip with full blade assist. I hope she can improve it, even if history says otherwise.

Even her triple lutzes are a bit eh, I just wonder why her edges never got called last season (except for that once at Cup of China)

 

[Amei]

While Anna is a great technician and very likable as a personality, I think many can't totally get on board cause while her quads are real and often they are rotated, they don't have much height or strength behind them, neither do any of her other jumps. It reminds me a bit of Lipnitskaya (who is one of my favorite skaters and the one that brought me to the sport)
And the 4s are some of the most prerotated out there.
She does her jumps amazingly but they are very reliant on her being small and rotating fast, not much lift there which is the difference between for example Sasha's 4Lz and hers. So they don't really have the wow factor and that's why she doesn't get that much GOE in general I guess.
I hope as she grows, instead of losing her jumps like it usually happens, she can gain muscle and get some lift behind them

I was curious about this, so I looked it up, below are the GOEs that she got for her quads this season, excluding Nationals (since Nationals usually has some inflation). Now if the arguments are going to debate about edges on the lutz jump or pre-rotations that's going down a different road but based on the scores she got from judges she scored fairly well, some of the highest GOEs in competition. I think her fast rotation gives her a wow factor to her quads, but it also helps cover-up her technical issues, the pre-rotation I can't really notice it unless I see the jump in slow-motion. And even if she gets low GOE, the start value of the quads she does is so much better than a triple, plus it allows her to remove all other doubles from her FS except the axel. I know this year that there is going to be some kind of effect on scores for pre-rotations (if they get called) so we'll see how that shakes out for her, but it might still be better for her to get a pre-rotation call/deduction on a quad vs. a clean triple.

Europeans:
4lz+3T = 3.61 GOE
4F (under-rotation) = .50 GOE
4LZ (downgrade) = -2.95 GOE

Grand Prix Final:
4lz+3T = 3.45 GOE
4F (Fall) = -5.50 GOE >>>> I noted this when the GPF happened, she did better scoring-wise with the 4F fall vs. the clean 2A that she replaced
4LZ (under-rotation) = -.39 GOE

Grand Prix China:
4lz+3T (edge call+ under-rotation) = -.92 GOE
4lz (edge call) = .66 GOE

Grand Prix America:
4lz+3T = 2.96 GOE
4lz = 3.29 GOE

CS Lombardia Trophy:
4Lz = 2.53 GOE

 

[eterislouisvuitton]

I was curious about this, so I looked it up, below are the GOEs that she got for her quads this season, excluding Nationals (since Nationals usually has some inflation). Now if the arguments are going to debate about edges on the lutz jump or pre-rotations that's going down a different road but based on the scores she got from judges she scored fairly well, some of the highest GOEs in competition. I think her fast rotation gives her a wow factor to her quads, but it also helps cover-up her technical issues, the pre-rotation I can't really notice it unless I see the jump in slow-motion.

Europeans:
4lz+3T = 3.61 GOE
4F (under-rotation) = .50 GOE
4LZ (downgrade) = -2.95 GOE

Grand Prix Final:
4lz+3T = 3.45 GOE
4F (Fall) = -5.50 GOE >>>> I noted this when the GPF happened, she did better scoring-wise with the 4F fall vs. the clean 2A that she replaced
4LZ (under-rotation) = -.39 GOE

Grand Prix China:
4lz+3T (edge call+ under-rotation) = -.92 GOE
4lz (edge call) = .66 GOE

Grand Prix America:
4lz+3T = 2.96 GOE
4lz = 3.29 GOE

CS Lombardia Trophy:
4Lz = 2.53 GOE

Well from the ISU handbook: Lutz is taken-off from backward outside edge; Technical Panel decides
on the take-off edge and indicates errors with signs “e” and “!”. In cases of serious errors (sign “e”) the base value of
the jump and the GOE are reduced, in cases of smaller errors (sign “!”) the original base value stays and the GOE is
reduced.

And for the GOE, 1 bullet met = +1, 2 bullets met = +2, and such.
1) very good height and very good length (of all jumps in a combo or sequence) (Anna has)
2) good take-off and landing (takeoff not so much)
3) effortless throughout (including rhythm in Jump combination) (debatable, but benefit of the doubt given)
4) steps before the jump, unexpected or creative entry (not in the quads, but otherwise yes)
5) very good body position from take-off to landing (the hunch on the takeoff, so no)
6) element matches the music (Anna has)

So for the quads, Anna has +3 GOE so far. But let's take a further look.

The wrong edge, the e sign, is a -3 to -4.

The unclear edge, the ! sign, is a -1 to -3.

Anna's flutz clearly has an inside edge when she picks in, so therefore it's a -3 at least. Of course this rule these days is pretty much ignored, and Anna is not the only one but the +4's she was getting on the 4Lze, disregarding the full blade, excessive prerotation, and hunched takeoff, was too high.

One may argue that Anna has great height in her jump and matches the music and has transitions out of it. Ok, so let's take a look at the next part of the rules:

In case of the following errors, the starting GOE for the evaluation cannot be higher than +2:

Fall, landing on two feet, stepping out of landing, WRONG EDGE (e), downgraded (<<), serious problems on the
descent of the lift, serious problems on the catch of the Twist, Step Sequences and Choreographic
Sequences do not correspond to the music.

 

[KOBOT37]

Anna's Lutz edge is slightly outside.

and if you see wrong edge on her lutz, I recommend seeing Ophthalmologist.

and yes, Anna is amazing technician and will remain so until many people start jumping that "3.5 Flip", So far only Alisa Liu does and she too, is great technician.

P.S most of these pre rotation truthers would have fallen into an Ecstasy if their Goddess-Queen ever jumped anything remotely close to that "3.5 Flip" too bad even in her prime she had bunch of doubles in her FP.

 

[Mathman]

Nine-year-old is too old by Russian standards, it's time for her to retire. Here we stan 2-years old with 11 million views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3c_xV78jFE

That is astonishing.

P.S most of these pre rotation truthers would have fallen into an Ecstasy if their Goddess-Queen ever jumped anything remotely close to that "3.5 Flip" too bad even in her prime she had bunch of doubles in her FP.

? Who is the goddess-queen of the pre-rotation truthers?

 

[Skatesocs]

? Who is the goddess-queen of the pre-rotation truthers?

The way you said it is hilarious. Look at their profile picture.

 

[plushyfan]

It seems the ice is ready https://www.instagram.com/stories/kirsar06/2325307658663639519/

https://www.instagram.com/stories/kirsar06/2325307732013672208/ probably the second tests are ready too, they are negative and can go to the ice soon

How Kislovodsk looks like https://www.instagram.com/stories/plushenkoofficial/2324921362600387851/



Liza Tuktik https://www.instagram.com/p/CBBRM0zH64-/ She is working on choreography with Yuri Smekalov . Nice!

 

[starlight97]

I'm sure in these videos of Anna and Alena first coming back on the ice they are exaggerating the slipping for the purpose of the joke, but still it baffles me that in a few months the bodies of literally the top athletes of this sport in the world, who have been doing nothing but this since they were 3, forget how to navigate on ice to a certain extent?
And that they say they have to relearn all the jumps. It just shows how difficult and unnatural for the body skating is.

 

[icestorm]

Anna's flutz clearly has an inside edge when she picks in

Do you mean this is an inside edge? Really? https://i.imgur.com/HXUQ0Ddm.jpg

 

[GINO]

Do you mean this is an inside edge? Really? https://i.imgur.com/HXUQ0Ddm.jpg

Is it flip or lutz?

 

[Alex65]

Is it flip or lutz?

No difference. Now their cost is the same.

 

[Pantsu]

It's not even "full-blade" when you actually look in slow mo and high quality
It is no different than "full-blade" on Hanyu's Toeloop
https://youtu.be/2fVY1JJrbYE?t=334
https://ibb.co/h26jTqK
https://youtu.be/iMEPLP7G4Gs?t=390

Her edge is flat at worst

 

[KOBOT37]

what full blade ?

Anna doesn't use full blade to generate power, not even half blade, why on the earth does it matter which part of blade hits the ice after there is no weight on that leg? so called "floop" is the most idiotic meme in entire FS.

 

[brakes]

Anna's lutz is perfect, because Anna is perfect. EOT. :taunt:


I'm camp Tutberidze, but must say watching Titova, Zhilina and Trusova skipping the rope with Rozanov measuring the time makes me excited for the Plushy-Eteri rivalry next season. This video feels like a 'challenge' Eteri loves! :dev3:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBF9F_zpL6x/

Have you watched "The Last Dance" documentary about Chicago Bulls and Michael Jordan? I think Eteri's mind is a bit like Mike's - not only she wants to win, but she's constantly seeking challenges all around her, just like she said about Orser - это вызов!
She overcame Brian in regard to Evgenia's latest outcomes, so it's kinda great for her as intense competitor that Plushenko did what he's done.
Two super ambitious, powerful individuals are gonna bring it on ice in few months! YEAH!

 

[Skatelife]

Anna's lutz is perfect, because Anna is perfect. EOT. :taunt:


I'm camp Tutberidze, but must say watching Titova, Zhilina and Trusova skipping the rope with Rozanov measuring the time makes me excited for the Plushy-Eteri rivalry next season. This video feels like a 'challenge' Eteri loves! :dev3:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBF9F_zpL6x/

Have you watched "The Last Dance" documentary about Chicago Bulls and Michael Jordan? I think Eteri's mind is a bit like Mike's - not only she wants to win, but she's constantly seeking challenges all around her, just like she said about Orser - это вызов!
She overcame Brian in regard to Evgenia's latest outcomes, so it's kinda great for her as intense competitor that Plushenko did what he's done.
Two super ambitious, powerful individuals are gonna bring it on ice in few months! YEAH!

 

[Shayuki]

Anna's flutz clearly has an inside edge when she picks in, so therefore it's a -3 at least.

Well it's interesting how it's so clear, when I'd say it's slightly outside. How do you get "clearly inside" from slightly outside, anyway? https://i.imgur.com/miXmRKy.png https://i.imgur.com/jCbcHEy.png

I just don't get it.

 

[Skatesocs]

I don't get why people react so much to these lol

 

[icestorm]

Well it's interesting how it's so clear, when I'd say it's slightly outside. How do you get "clearly inside" from slightly outside, anyway? https://i.imgur.com/miXmRKy.png https://i.imgur.com/jCbcHEy.png

I just don't get it.

It isn't hard to get. Some people think that if they will repeat false statement thousand times other people will stop to believe their own eyes, and that statement will become a part of the common narrative.

 

[Edwin]

Plyushchenko showing off his newest acquisitions: Aleksandra Trusova is now "his property", https://www.instagram.com/p/CBF4P1AjJqp/

" I, me, mine " , we will get to hear and see this every day when Plyushchenko parades his property. The fora and boards will have a field day every day ;-)

So far from Moscow, there are lots of practical obstacles.
Mrs Trusova and the dogs are still present in a closed off training base where only registered athletes and a very limited amount of trainers are admitted? Perhaps the outside rules are a little more relaxed?
How to get all those "best specialists my money can buy" into this closed off training base, out and back in again?

Will Aleksandra get bored of all this attention? Hiding her face behind a grown Lana? Or does she really want all this after getting used to daily exposure?

Interesting times are ahead of us, and the mass attention is not on Aleksandra, but rather on her owner.

 

[Mathman]

Well it's interesting how it's so clear, when I'd say it's slightly outside. How do you get "clearly inside" from slightly outside, anyway?

I agree. To me, these videos, slo-motion, and stop-frame shots are never convincing in the slightest. 100 Golden Skate posters look at exactly the same shot, and 50 of them say: "See, it's clearly inside edge/under-roted, flat edge. pre-rotated, etc. Are you blind?"

And the other 50, view the identical visual evidence and say, "What a perfect text-book example of a fully rotated exquisitely clear outside edge, etc., etc."

If it were really "clear," there could not be such disagreement.