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On one hand, this is terrible for the athletes. ( Especially those who are too young to get vaccinated). On the other hand, it is normal for countries to put in place protocols that they believe will protect their citizens. So, I understand why countries have these protocols. The strict quarantine measures in Taiwan ( where I live) have meant that ( other than during a month period when a small outbreak occurred due to more lax quarantine standards for pilots) life here has continued relatively normally without lose of life. Sports are wonderful, but life is more valuable. I think Sputnik seems like a good vaccine. However, from what I understand its manufactures have not submitted all necessary data to the EU or WHO for approval. I think it would benefit Russian people if this data was submitted.
 
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On one hand, this is terrible for the athletes. ( Especially those who are too young to get vaccinated). On the other hand, it is normal for countries to put in place protocols that they believe will protect their citizens. So, I understand why countries have these protocols. The strict quarantine measures in Taiwan ( where I live) have meant that ( other than during a month period when a small outbreak occurred due to more lax quarantine standards for pilots) life here has continued relatively normally without lose of life. Sports are wonderful, but life is more valuable. I think Sputnik seems like a good vaccine. However, from what I understand its manufactures have not submitted all necessary data to the EU or WHO for approval. I think it would benefit Russian people if this data was submitted.
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Yes, it is any country's right to impose it's own measures in a matter like this and in many different matters actually.

The different thing is: should be a country, that settles the rules that surely affect people coming from different parts of the world different way (it's not just a question of Russia or China) be assigned as an organizer of such event? Rules that exclude big number of the competitors from taking part in it? Even twice? I don't think so, if there can be other solution.

I think the measures like this should remember the special cases like similar sporting events where the risk is minimal and contain reasonable exceptions, where for instance PCR test after the arriving should be enough.

The question of the particular vaccine is not a thing here, because even the athletes coming from the countries that use vaccines conditionally approved are in the age in which most of the population is not vaccined anywhere.

Seriously both Courchevel events are not worth a dime in the current state. Those are just not real competitions anymore.
 
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The russian skaters can't enter France without the vaccination. The point is that Russian vaccine is not approved in France.
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No, that's not the issue. Even if the Sputnik vaccine was approved, vaccinated travelers from a Red Zone country have to quarantine for a week.

The Red Zone designation refers to the level of Delta spread and overall level of vaccination in a given country.
 
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I get that. But usually we get something new,even small things from eteri. Like a rippon 2a last year. Where is the eteri innovative spirit I wonder?
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Petrosyan did 4T which we really hadn't seen before.

I do hope the inconsistency we saw in juniors is not indicative for seniors. I do worry that having so many strong skaters together could kind of send their minds into overdrive... or one of them might be kind of disruptive... or one of them is faltering and that faltering enters the minds of the rest of the group. It may be better if the top group was divided up at least some of the time.

They may change the selection procedures for the final but it's surely going to cost Russia a spot or two probably to the benefit of the US and South Korea in ladies. It's really not worth getting too worked up about it. Best to pick your battles right before the Olympics.
 
I just found out about the Russian Juniors not being able to go to JPG France. I was really excited to watch Maria Z. make her debut. Sad day for me as I was really excited for competitions to begin and love seeing the Russians and what kind of scores the international judges give them.
 
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Edited on the front page. Now I'm curious how (and if) the JGPF selection system will be modified.
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They don't know yet. The usual system won't be applied. They haven't decided on an alternative system or not holding JGPF at all.

This is what ISU communicated last week

the Council finally concluded that it is impossible to implement a fair and consistent ISU Junior Grand Prix ranking for the 2021/22 season. The Council therefore agreed to focus on the safe organization of the individual ISU Junior Grand Prix events with the best possible participation. However, no ISU Junior Grand Prix ranking will be applied. Depending on the developments during the ISU Junior Grand Prix series, the ISU Council will evaluate if and how the ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating Final (scheduled to be held on December 9-12, 2021 in Japan), could be held by applying alternative qualification criteria. Such decision will be taken as soon as possible in consultation with all stakeholders also taking into account the sanitary situation in Japan and around the world, which is particularly sensitive for junior-aged Skaters.

Source: https://www.isu.org/inside-isu/isu-communications/communications/26032-isu-communication-2418/file
 
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Yes, it is any country's right to impose it's own measures in a matter like this and in many different matters actually.

The different thing is: should be a country, that settles the rules that surely affect people coming from different parts of the world different way (it's not just a question of Russia or China) be assigned as an organizer of such event? Rules that exclude big number of the competitors from taking part in it? Even twice? I don't think so, if there can be other solution.

I think the measures like this should remember the special cases like similar sporting events where the risk is minimal and contain reasonable exceptions, where for instance PCR test after the arriving should be enough.

The question of the particular vaccine is not a thing here, because even the athletes coming from the countries that use vaccines conditionally approved are in the age in which most of the population is not vaccined anywhere.

Seriously both Courchevel events are not worth a dime in the current state. Those are just not real competitions anymore.
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It is the lack of exceptions that has kept Taiwan safe. So, I don't agree that governments should make such exceptions for what is an extremely unimportant event by global standards. The number of viewers is absurdly small compared to the Olympics. JGPs also make almost no money for the local organizers so there is no motivation for these countries to spend money organizing a bubble for the athletes.

Finally, I don't think any event with such wonderful competitors from the US, Korea, and Canada, several countries are sending some of their best athletes there, can be viewed as worthless. The men's competitors from the US and Canada would have challenged Mark for first place. The dance teams being sent are also very competitive and based on previous results would have beaten the Russian team. Korea is sending its best junior ladies and would have been fighting for the podium even with the Russia ladies present. The US ladies here are also quite competitive. I don't consider such an event worthless. It might be worthless to Russian viewers but Russia makes up only 1.87 percent of the world's population.
 
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China will likely allow Russian not vaccinated skaters to come to Olympics.
But ISU may refuse to allow them with the fact no one participated in GP events or EC.
 
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